Darth Hoth wrote:
I have seen the page in the index and skimmed it, but never read it it any detail. I came independently to the conclusion that the Federation is Communist from analyzing what I know of the evidence long before I was aware of this site (I had, in fact, not known about this place for very long at all before I joined last year), and I assert independently that with Communism follows corruption, since that is what all the available evidence from real life suggests (A quick read-through of that page does not seem to make that particular point).
I realise that there is no way I can prove my honest intentions. I also think I should not have to, since you are the one making baseless accusations.
Bullshit. The basis for the accusation and why you don't look to be within a mile of being honest are very simple:
"I evaluated the evidence, and came to this conclusion on my own."
"Well what evidence is that?"
"I don't know what evidence I looked at to come to my conclusion."
Gosh, and you wonder where the question comes in to play here. So you are claiming that YOU came up with this, not Mike, and ignoring the fact that your claims are a near straight life of those made here, in his fanfic, and in ASVS, you can't point to what led you to come to that analysis. Isolder is the one who pointed out the known incidents.
Which is it, did you come to the conclusion about the corruption in the UFP being horrendous by looking at the evidence (and if that is the case let us see it) or do you not have the evidence proving the rampant corruption you claim exists?
You may believe what you like; it is not like you are someone whose opinion about me I am inclined to care about. And I shall repeat what I said last time: It is ridiculous that I should have to somehow "prove" that my arguments were not all taken from Publius. God, did it look like I copy-pasted him? I admit to assuming a style that would be reminiscent of his, and I did include some of his analysis from Domus Publica in my arguments there (is that a crime, now?).
Yes, it looked like you copy pasted him then and it looks like you are copy pasting Mike now. And yes, trying to pass off someone else's work as your own in a crime by board standards.
You throw around accusations of "dishonesty" that I cannot defend myself against, and declare an autowin on your part.
How is demanding proof "declaring an autowin"? Are you seriously trying to paint my demanding you support your statements as unreasonable?
I have no direct evidence. I also think it is totally unrealistic to assume that human nature does not apply to the Federation just because of Roddenberry's retarded leftist-utopian writing and author's fiat, and a stupid standard to accept it at face value. But fine, if those are the standards, I suppose I shall have to concede the argument.
Fuck off shit stain. The existence of a fucking FTL drive is retarded, exists by author's fiat, and shouldn't be accepted at face value. Same goes for artificial gravity, shields, phasers, etc. Funny that you don't complain about those. This "well I can't back anything I say but I am still right" bullshit is the most pathetic trick in your bag. Either man up and admit you pulled this out of your ass without the declaration that you are still right, or provide the fucking evidence.