Stark wrote:He's 'emo' because he sacrificed his image and 'heroism' to maintain the lie that the city needed to believe in to be a better place? Even after the obvious foreshadowing of Gordon's wife hating him, because he had to lie to everyone to save the day? Even after everyone constantly talked about the nature of heroism and the different ways people serve their various ends? Even after this sacrifice means the Joker loses, whereas otherwise he'd have 'won' by destroying Dent's prosecution? Even though he takes this karmic load on because 'he can take it', whereas others cannot?
I think the finale shows that he has finally become a 'proper' hero, but ironically this requires him to become 'the bad guy' so that he can save Dent's image and by extension the city. I can't wait for the next movie where he's forced to hunt down and silence Fox Mulder who has found proof that Harvey Dent went insane and murdered people, so we can explore how far he'll go to maintain a 'good lie'.
But Staaaaark. He had emotions that =emo! He is so not cool anymore!!
It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.
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havokeff wrote:Burton's Batman kills the shit out of people. If he wasn't such a bad shot with machine guns AND rockets, he would have killed the Joker.
That was rather cringe-worthy. He has the Joker dead center in his crosshairs and somehow manages to hit random goons 20 feet away instead. Though, having the Joker pull an elephant gun out of his pants and blowing the Batplane down was worth it.
havokeff wrote:But Staaaaark. He had emotions that =emo! He is so not cool anymore!!
I thought Batman's two fake "I'm throwing in the towel" scenes were rather bad, actually. In both cases he gets so fed up he's determined to give up being Batman so no more people die in his name, yet all it takes is a pep-talk (which he seems relatively unconvinced by) from Alfred to have him leaping back into his suit 5 minutes later.
"He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot, but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot."
I checked on the ending of the novelization by Denny O'Neil. According to the book Dent's "neck was twisted" and he was "obviously dead." I still don't buy it.
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This is the guy they want to use to win over "young people?" Are they completely daft? I'd rather vote for a pile of shit than a Jesus freak social regressive.
Here's hoping that his political career goes down in flames and, hopefully, a hilarious gay sex scandal. -Tanasinn
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I saw it yesterday, and thought it was quality entertainment, emotional without being angsty, action-packed without being too blatantly stupid, and timely and relevant without being sanctimonious. I don't really get the whole "BEST MOVIE EVER RAR" wankage, but I get the feeling that this is one of those movies that I will appreciate more and more upon successive viewings. The Nolan Batman is starting to remind me of Gregor Eisenhorn.
Stark wrote:So you're saying a character struggling with morality in a world full of evil where people constantly talk about the nature and types of heroism and how different actions can affect the city is bad? Sure, he could have just shot the Joker, or the Joker got have caught hepatitis and died. Too bad it's a story with a theme, I guess, and not a wargame.
I said that I wanted him to, and it was galling that he did not. I did not say it would make a better movie.
Oh no, Batman is conflicted between his personal needs and the needs of the city and his quest! Bad movie!
If I find whoever says that, I'll give them your regards.
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Bounty wrote:Perhaps a more important question: why didn't his cape get sucked into the Batpod's rear wheel?
Everything about that bike was retarded from start to finish, the end.
Yeah, but they actually built it and it actually works. That is pretty fucking cool. The design itself isn't bad, with the exception of the fucking tires and wheel. It would be a bitch to ride, and you aren't taking any corners in it.
The inside the wheel engine that it utilizes is a real world design. The lay down riding position is a necessity so that you can use your body weight to lean that fucker. If you had a normal riding position, you would fall over trying to get it to turn.
The machine guns, rocket launchers and grapling hooks are fucking ridiculous, but he's The Goddamned Batman.
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And the zero-inertia body-rotation? Is that factory standard? Good thing it's immune to giant crashes I guess; the front of your stupid APC thing is the safest place after all, especially when it's crashing through concrete barriers.
Simple rule about the Batpod: it is NOT a bike. Bale tried to ride it and couldn't do anything but nearly kill himself. The design is sound, and since it's an emergency escape vehicle using parts of the Tumbler, I didn't expect Batman was going to use it as a day-to-day transport instead of building another dedicated vehicle.
And it was awesome anyway. Too bad it didn't turn into a giant killer powersuit too.
One little thing that bugged me about this movie: in Begins, Batman's chief tactic is the use of fear; it's implied that the whole reason he can take on many guys with guns at once is simply because he unmans them with fright though various psy ops tricks before fighting them, which makes Batman's achievements feel marginally less unrealistic. I didn't see much psy ops on Batman's part in this movie, though - unless I didn't follow some of the battle scenes right, he just seems to kick ass with awesome gadgets. The scene where Batman was trying to "interrogate" the Joker works so well because it communicates that the Joker is psychotically fearless.
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Good as those posters are, they wouldn't work. Bringing in The Joker's comic relief accomplice isn't going to work. The Riddler sucks and Catwoman is hilarious.
There's a world of difference between a psycho with a love of facepaint covering his scars and a guy with severe burns and some quite simply bizarre people playing dress-up and causing mayhem in comical ways.
Morilore wrote:One little thing that bugged me about this movie: in Begins, Batman's chief tactic is the use of fear; it's implied that the whole reason he can take on many guys with guns at once is simply because he unmans them with fright though various psy ops tricks before fighting them, which makes Batman's achievements feel marginally less unrealistic. I didn't see much psy ops on Batman's part in this movie, though - unless I didn't follow some of the battle scenes right, he just seems to kick ass with awesome gadgets. The scene where Batman was trying to "interrogate" the Joker works so well because it communicates that the Joker is psychotically fearless.
I guess you missed how over the year, simply having the Bat-signal running 'lets them know he's out there' and causes petty crimes to be abandoned simply based on the CHANCE of facing him?
Man, those are laughable. The work itself is good, but the characters...
How 'bout we all just calm the fuck down and see what Nolan and Co. come up with. I'm sure we won't be disappointed.
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Harley looks scary and fits in with the TDK Joker's style. Riddler looks decent. That Catwoman is heinous though.
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