The Dark Knight (GODDAMN SPOILERS)

[Bounty]

Harvey's injuries were ridiculous, but it didn't bother me all that much - they're supposed to be too horrible to imagine.

However, how did he keep in that shot of whiskey in the bar with half his mouth gone? Or did it drip or something?

[General Zod]

However, how did he keep in that shot of whiskey in the bar with half his mouth gone? Or did it drip or something?

I think some of it dripped out, though I can't remember for sure.

[TC Pilot]

Quite a bit of it just spilled out. He made an effort to wipe his mouth.

[SirNitram]

Nicko, I suggest you never speak of Piracy again. Now try that all again, understanding Suspension Of Disbelief and the rules of the board. Got it, you worthless fuckup?

[nickolay1]

It makes even MORE sense for a financial institution to have its own cell/comm tower, especially if its run by the mob. Such a tower would have roof access at its' base.

There was a distinct...lack of any towers on the roof of that building. The box itself appears to be a regular power junction, perhaps for some of the equipment installed on the roof (air conditioning, not communications).

Depends how much money THE MOB WAS LAUNDERING. 'Routine bank' rules DO NOT APPLY. Idiot.

So now the mob launders hundreds of millions on a weekly basis?

The same reason anyone EVER does a high-visibility hit. Intimidation. If the gun hadn't jammed, the word would be out that the mob runs Gotham and can hit anyone, anywhere, anytime. Rooftop sniper doesn't send the same message.

A corpse sends the exact same message. As shown in the film, capture of the assassin was guaranteed. The last thing the mob wants is the shooter in custody.

...In a rational world, not the one created by these fuckwits.

See, you seem to do this quite a bit; You take dialogue, interpret it in a way that 'implies' something that supports your argument. It didn't occur to you that WHOEVER sneaks the gun in will have to get it past a metal detector at some point? No guard is going to hand over his own serialed weapon for a shooting.

For a guard, it should be easy to avoid metal detectors entirely. I'm sure there's a service entrance they use, free of the security applied to civilian visitors.

Are you stating, with 100% certainty, that absolutely NO South Korean smuggler EVER flies into Pyongyong EVER?

You're fucking dense. A smuggling flight, into the capital of the most heavily militarized country on earth, from its greatest enemy, with essentially no customers to speak of, and no goods that can't be brought in through other channels with negligible risk in comparison? Yeah, right.

People CAN survive high accelerations. Your point is nonexistent. Never mind the fact that the hostage looked QUITE worse for wear when they found him the next morning.

They sure can, with proper harnesses, positioning, and equipment. Here's some news for you: a business suit does not offer protection to his spine or ribcage.

But those bruises looked awful, I tell you!

You're offering a LOT of stupid opinions as fact today. You should probably stop. People instinctively duck at loud noises, especially gunfire. Moreover, metal paint fragments DO have mass which can be felt. You 'THINK' it would creat a diffuse sound? Based on what? Your years of being under enemy fire in armored vehicles?

They do not have mass that can be felt through many layers of tactical clothing.

The sound would be diffuse because the velocity of propagation of sound in steel is an order of magnitude higher than in air, you fucking idiot. It would spread throughout the side of the van and be emitted into the air from the areas furthest from impact long before the sound from the point of impact would reach his ears. The phase difference between those waves would be quite small, making it difficult to determine the origin -- the definition of 'diffuse.'

Yes, because the police officer watching him broke protocol. What's your point?

The fucking point is that the portrayal of the police, among other things, was fucking ridiculous. To be expected from film-making dumbshits, I suppose.

You're just a dishonest little bitch. And what's Christians have to do with it? You're grasping at straws to try to win the argument now, but all you're doing is WHINING the argument.

Ever heard of an analogy, you goddamned fool? Nice try, though, diverting attention from your own fallacies.

Oh SNAP! IT suggested it? I suggest you shove your head up your ass. Hey, now its a fact!

I'm waiting to hear your own explanation for the evidence presented.

Seriously, these ad-hominem attacks are beneath the ordinary discourse on this board. I in no way based any of my arguments in this thread on Christianity, and the fact that YOU seem to think attacking my personal beliefs will help you win here indicates a severe delusional state. My personal beliefs about what parts of the bible should or should not be taken literally are immaterial to this case, and if you ever took your head out of your ass for three seconds on this board you might discover that

You might want to brush up on your definition of an ad-hominem attack. My signalization of your own hypocrisy regarding your retarded 'believability' argument was pursuant to the forum motto:

"Get your fill of sci-fi, science, and mockery of stupid people"

*GASP*
I'm not a Christian fundamentalist. You idiot. I'm a Christian, maybe even an evangellical. I'm not a creationist, polygamist, or a racist. So sorry to disappoint, but you'll have to come up to my level if you want to argue.

OH... maybe an evangelical, and no creationist, polygamist, or racist! Well, thanks for clearing that up. You're not a fucking moron, just a ... err, fucking moron.

[Schuyler Colfax]

Wow this might actually beat Titanic for all time domestic, $300+ million in 10 days, WOW. Though I doubt it will beat Titanic for all time worldwide or even Jurassic Park for that matter.

[Ziggy Stardust]

nickolay

So now the mob launders hundreds of millions on a weekly basis?

1) How do you know that what was seen in the film was what they do every week? As opposed to once a month, or even once a year?
2) That aside, do some god-damned research: http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/16/fbi.mob/index.html Hell, in just the drug trade alone it is possible to make millions of dollars in a week. Moron.

A corpse sends the exact same message. As shown in the film, capture of the assassin was guaranteed. The last thing the mob wants is the shooter in custody.

Thanks for being out of touch with reality. Read a book about, say, 1920s era Chicago when mob-related incidents similar to that portrayed actually occured.

For a guard, it should be easy to avoid metal detectors entirely. I'm sure there's a service entrance they use, free of the security applied to civilian visitors.

Easier than for civilians, yes, but in a place as big as Gotham, in the hightened security situation the city is obviously in, you can't count on it.

You're fucking dense. A smuggling flight, into the capital of the most heavily militarized country on earth, from its greatest enemy, with essentially no customers to speak of, and no goods that can't be brought in through other channels with negligible risk in comparison? Yeah, right.

Are you fucking retarded? Not only is North Korea criminally corrupt, but it is also criminally incompetent. DO SOME FUCKING RESEARCH: http://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/Article.aspx?id=2119 . North Korea has a huge blackmarket, which largely benefits government officials, who use it to pad their salaries. Honestly, a simple Google search proves most of your comments about the movie inaccurate.

They sure can, with proper harnesses, positioning, and equipment. Here's some news for you: a business suit does not offer protection to his spine or ribcage.

There have been incidences in real life of flight attendants surviving falls in nothing other than their uniforms from over a mile in the air. There is also the case of one Vesna Vulovic who survived a fall of over six miles. People have been known to survive tumbles of over 10,000 feet while hitting trees and rocks. Oh, but it's too unrealistic for a guy to survive a fall only a mere fraction of that while in the hands of a professional. Moron.

They do not have mass that can be felt through many layers of tactical clothing.

So? All they had to do was see the movement out of the corner of their eye and they would have ducked, moron.

The sound would be diffuse because the velocity of propagation of sound in steel is an order of magnitude higher than in air, you fucking idiot. It would spread throughout the side of the van and be emitted into the air from the areas furthest from impact long before the sound from the point of impact would reach his ears. The phase difference between those waves would be quite small, making it difficult to determine the origin -- the definition of 'diffuse.'

What the fuck does this blather have to do anything? Yeah, they won't be able to tell the direction it is coming from, but they can still hear the fucking sound of something striking the vehicle, which would make them instinctively duck. God, you are so fucking out of touch with reality it is unbelievable.

The fucking point is that the portrayal of the police, among other things, was fucking ridiculous. To be expected from film-making dumbshits, I suppose.

Because the cops are stated many times during the course of the movie to be largely corrupt or incompetent. That's the whole god-damned point. This is like thinking the portrayal of police in The Departed is unrealistic because Jack Nicholson isn't arrested in the first ten minutes.

I'm waiting to hear your own explanation for the evidence presented.

What evidence? All you have done is bitch about how unrealistic the movie is, while proving to us all that you are HORRIBLY out of touch with reality. You even think that there is no smuggling going into or out of North Korea, which shows a truly remarkable ignorance of ... well, a lot of things.

[Anguirus]

I like the pathetically trivial things that nickolay is choosing to criticize, as opposed to the stuff like how the Batpod fit inside the fucking Tumbler.

Personally, just cause I could tell that it was a movie did not take away from the excellent characters, stunts, cinematography, soundtrack, etc. And on the realism front, it certainly lacked anything as egregious as the selective "microwave emitter" from Begins.

[nickolay1]

1) How do you know that what was seen in the film was what they do every week? As opposed to once a month, or even once a year?

Somebody mentioned a "count day" as justification to have money stacked in the vault. Why would they only do this annually?

Hell, in just the drug trade alone it is possible to make millions of dollars in a week. Moron.

No shit sherlock. Some cocksucker deleted my post, in which I stated that there were tens or hundreds of millions of dollars. I can post calculations if anybody asks.

Thanks for being out of touch with reality. Read a book about, say, 1920s era Chicago when mob-related incidents similar to that portrayed actually occured.

Yeah, totally similar. There certainly hasn't been any change in investigative techniques, police tactics, the scope of the media, social attitudes, etc.

Easier than for civilians, yes, but in a place as big as Gotham, in the hightened security situation the city is obviously in, you can't count on it.

A heightened security situation in the city doesn't mean that trusted courthouse security personnel would have a very difficult time of carrying a concealed gun through.

Are you fucking retarded? Not only is North Korea criminally corrupt, but it is also criminally incompetent. DO SOME FUCKING RESEARCH: http://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/Article.aspx?id=2119 . North Korea has a huge blackmarket, which largely benefits government officials, who use it to pad their salaries. Honestly, a simple Google search proves most of your comments about the movie inaccurate.

Read your own article, idiot. That black market is wholly supplied by sea and shipments from China. Not by fucking aircraft from South Korea.

There have been incidences in real life of flight attendants surviving falls in nothing other than their uniforms from over a mile in the air. There is also the case of one Vesna Vulovic who survived a fall of over six miles.

That's nice. The van's roof wasn't covered in meters of snow, fucktard.

People have been known to survive tumbles of over 10,000 feet while hitting trees and rocks. Oh, but it's too unrealistic for a guy to survive a fall only a mere fraction of that while in the hands of a professional. Moron.

You will now show where I claimed that Batman should not have survived the fall.

So? All they had to do was see the movement out of the corner of their eye and they would have ducked, moron.

The movement was out of his field of view.

Yeah, they won't be able to tell the direction it is coming from, but they can still hear the fucking sound of something striking the vehicle, which would make them instinctively duck.

Not only did he duck, he also turned toward the source of the fragments.

Because the cops are stated many times during the course of the movie to be largely corrupt or incompetent. That's the whole god-damned point.

Incompetent at capturing criminals, perhaps. When was the last time you heard of a fucking cop being a hostage inside a goddamned police station?

What evidence?

In a series of posts deleted by some fucking asshole, another poster challenged my claim that the cable used by Batman was of metallic origin. My evidence was that it had a shiny surface, not at all indicative of the only possible alternative, a polymer.

You even think that there is no smuggling going into or out of North Korea, which shows a truly remarkable ignorance of ... well, a lot of things.

Ok motherfucker, YOU WILL IMMEDIATELY SHOW WHERE I CLAIMED THAT THERE WAS NO SMUGGLING INTO NORTH KOREA.

I like the pathetically trivial things that nickolay is choosing to criticize, as opposed to the stuff like how the Batpod fit inside the fucking Tumbler.

After a while, I stopped tracking all but the most significant of bullshit.

[Anguirus]

No shit sherlock. Some cocksucker deleted my post, in which I stated that there were tens or hundreds of millions of dollars. I can post calculations if anybody asks.

Lau, for our convenience, stated exactly how much was stolen by the Joker. It was $68 million IIRC. He referred to it as a "small amount."

I'm sure you can nitpick that number based on your calculations of how many bills fit in each duffel bag but I really don't care. For someone who hated this movie you're spending an amusing amount of time trying to "prove it wrong."

[nickolay1]

No shit sherlock. Some cocksucker deleted my post, in which I stated that there were tens or hundreds of millions of dollars. I can post calculations if anybody asks.

Lau, for our convenience, stated exactly how much was stolen by the Joker. It was $68 million IIRC. He referred to it as a "small amount."

I'm sure you can nitpick that number based on your calculations of how many bills fit in each duffel bag but I really don't care. For someone who hated this movie you're spending an amusing amount of time trying to "prove it wrong."

$68 million was just slightly more than if all of the bills had been 20s, so the figure is reasonable.

[CaptainChewbacca]

No shit sherlock. Some cocksucker deleted my post, in which I stated that there were tens or hundreds of millions of dollars. I can post calculations if anybody asks.

Some MODERATOR deleted your post because you were bragging about illegal activities on a public message board, you dumbshit.

Incompetent at capturing criminals, perhaps. When was the last time you heard of a fucking cop being a hostage inside a goddamned police station?

An arrested criminal escaping restraints and obtaining a peace officer's gun is not unheard of. It happened two years ago at a sherrif's station in Alabama. Several officers were injured and killed.

In a series of posts deleted by some fucking asshole, another poster challenged my claim that the cable used by Batman was of metallic origin. My evidence was that it had a shiny surface, not at all indicative of the only possible alternative, a polymer.

Why can't a polymer reflect light? Because you say so?

[nickolay1]

Some MODERATOR deleted your post because you were bragging about illegal activities on a public message board, you dumbshit.

I stated that I acquired the film for the purpose of analysis. This qualifies as fair use. Prior to this, I paid money to see it.

The rule itself states:

This forum is not an "underground" forum. This means that you will refrain from bragging about serious violations of the law that you have committed, you will not solicit or offer pirated software of any kind, you will not incite criminal activities, etc.

My mention was neither bragging, nor of a "serious violation of the law." Neither did it solicit or offer anything.

An arrested criminal escaping restraints and obtaining a peace officer's gun is not unheard of. It happened two years ago at a sherrif's station in Alabama. Several officers were injured and killed.

You must be referring to this: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h ... A9659C8B63.

The article states that the suspect managed to grab the gun, at 5:30 AM, while being booked on suspicion of vehicle theft, in a police station so small that he only had to kill three to escape the building.

Compare this to the scenario from the film. An extremely dangerous criminal, known to have killed multiple police officers, at a rather large station, in a big city, during interrogation. Can you see the difference now?

Why can't a polymer reflect light? Because you say so?

Because cables are usually woven from thin strands.

[Ghost Rider]

I obtained the entire film so as to properly analyze it

Not caring about the rest, but your words.

And as for rules, you will then exactly define how you acquired a film that is less then a couple months at best old, to a public medium for your use?

You do grasp this is just a nicer way of going "I torrented the film."? We've stated before and again and again and again for retards like you, not to go off hitch about publically staing this...and for the second part, the rules are OUTLINES MOTHERFUCKER. If a moderator thought you stepped out of line and you want to make a complaint about said moderator's action, you take it to a higher authority.

[CaptainChewbacca]

Some MODERATOR deleted your post because you were bragging about illegal activities on a public message board, you dumbshit.

I stated that I acquired the film for the purpose of analysis. This qualifies as fair use. Prior to this, I paid money to see it.

You said you 'acquired' the ENTIRE FILM. Regardless of how you did it, I'm sure you didn't buy it from the proper sources. Fair use only permits clips of 30 seconds or less. You pirated the ENTIRE film.

You must be referring to this: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h ... A9659C8B63.

The article states that the suspect managed to grab the gun, at 5:30 AM, while being booked on suspicion of vehicle theft, in a police station so small that he only had to kill three to escape the building.

Compare this to the scenario from the film. An extremely dangerous criminal, known to have killed multiple police officers, at a rather large station, in a big city, during interrogation. Can you see the difference now?

The Joker didn't shoot any (or hardly) any people. If he HAD started firing, he would have been shot. As it was, it was a standoff until he set his bomb off.

[Stark]

My understanding was that he wasn't at the police station, but the 'major crimes unit' building, which appeared to be a near-derelict building. The Bat-signal is on the MCU roof after all, and it's the MCU that's destroyed in the Joker's bomb.

[SylasGaunt]

Further I'd like to add that the Joker didn't even get ahold of the officer's gun as I recall. He was holding him hostage using a piece of glass from the mirror in the interrogation room. In fact it was probably that piece that was sitting right next to his head when he's sitting on the floor. Since he had that handy it was just in issue of provoking the police officer into getting within arms reach.

[Ender]

Further I'd like to add that the Joker didn't even get ahold of the officer's gun as I recall. He was holding him hostage using a piece of glass from the mirror in the interrogation room. In fact it was probably that piece that was sitting right next to his head when he's sitting on the floor. Since he had that handy it was just in issue of provoking the police officer into getting within arms reach.

Is that what it was? I figured they missed that toe knife he used earlier in the Penthouse.

[Death from the Sea]

• The police metal detectors that apparently don't work through flesh. Had the inmate been competently searched, Joker's childish escape plan would have been nullified.

most police stations do not have metal detectors. In fact I don't think my department even has the wand metal detectors.

but I guess you just can't satisfy some people, they always have to hate the "popular" thing because they are so sophisticated...

I would expect the police force of a city with a population of 30 million to be better equipped than Bumfuck, Texas.

granted my city has no where near 30 million people , but then again last time I checked, there is not a single city in the United States that even comes close to that figure either... New York City, which is the largest city population wise, is only at the 8 million mark.

My city may only have a population of 150,000 (documented and we have a large undocumented population) but we are the largest city in the area surrounding Houston, which is the 4th largest city in the nation with roughly 2 million people. I also know that Houston does not have metal detectors in their station that they run prisoners through, in fact even Harris County (the county Houston is found in) does not have metal detectors they use on prisoners.

So when I say we don't do it here and therefore is not unusual, I am speaking from a well informed position and not that of the Barney Fife deputy from a two cop town.

You also need to remember that the cell they had the guy with the explosives inside him in was merely a holding cell and he had probably not been totally processed in yet.

[nickolay1]

Fair use only permits clips of 30 seconds or less.

Prove it.

You pirated the ENTIRE film.

Let's see...
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.html

Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include—
(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
(2) the nature of the copyrighted work;
(3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
(4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.
The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors.

1. My procurement was for a nonprofit educational purpose, more specifically (as allowed) for criticism and comment.
4. My procurement had no effect on the market of the copyrighted work. I'd already paid money to view it anyway.

The Joker didn't shoot any (or hardly) any people. If he HAD started firing, he would have been shot. As it was, it was a standoff until he set his bomb off.

Threat to use a knife on a police officer is justification for deadly force. Instead of placing a round into his head (the range was close enough that a trained marksman would find it difficult to miss) or using a taser, they acquiesced to his demand.

Anyway, why the fuck did he remain standing as if nothing happened while cops not five meters aware were supposedly fully disabled?

granted my city has no where near 30 million people , but then again last time I checked, there is not a single city in the United States that even comes close to that figure either... New York City, which is the largest city population wise, is only at the 8 million mark.

My city may only have a population of 150,000 (documented and we have a large undocumented population) but we are the largest city in the area surrounding Houston, which is the 4th largest city in the nation with roughly 2 million people. I also know that Houston does not have metal detectors in their station that they run prisoners through, in fact even Harris County (the county Houston is found in) does not have metal detectors they use on prisoners.

So when I say we don't do it here and therefore is not unusual, I am speaking from a well informed position and not that of the Barney Fife deputy from a two cop town.

You also need to remember that the cell they had the guy with the explosives inside him in was merely a holding cell and he had probably not been totally processed in yet.

I'll concede that the suspect inside the cell may not have been thoroughly searched and/or they didn't have metal detectors.

However, the scene where they finally discover the embedded telephone showed that it was very close to the surface and produced visible bulges. Even a quick pat-down should have revealed it.

[Questor]

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.html

Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include—
(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
(2) the nature of the copyrighted work;
(3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
(4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.
The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors.

1. My procurement was for a nonprofit educational purpose, more specifically (as allowed) for criticism and comment.
4. My procurement had no effect on the market of the copyrighted work. I'd already paid money to view it anyway.

Christ are you stupid. Not withstanding the case law that is against you. All four factors should be used, and so can others. SHALL INCLUDE is the key word. As I recall from my one law class, shall is a very important word, meaning must.

So, by that interpretation, which has more relation to case law than yours, all four factors MUST be considered.

1. You CLAIM that it is for educational use, the ALA, and the NEA says to be careful with this claim, and use short clips only. I know that reproductions of an entire film are not covered, and even the conversion of one media to another is an area our lawyers have told us to be VERY careful of.

2. The nature of the copyrighted work is a multi-million dollar summer blockbuster that has only been recently released, it is currently only licensed for single viewings in theaters.

3. You have the WHOLE thing.

4. You paid to see it once, not multiple times.

So, in short, stop being an idiot.

Case law may come later, if I feel like getting onto LexisNexis.

[Bounty]

Further I'd like to add that the Joker didn't even get ahold of the officer's gun as I recall. He was holding him hostage using a piece of glass from the mirror in the interrogation room. In fact it was probably that piece that was sitting right next to his head when he's sitting on the floor. Since he had that handy it was just in issue of provoking the police officer into getting within arms reach.

Is that what it was? I figured they missed that toe knife he used earlier in the Penthouse.

Didn't Bats break that one?

And yes, it was a piece of glass he was holding. I'm not sure where it came from since the mirror didn't actually *break*, as far as I could see, but it's definitely a shard.

[Shroom Man 777]

The gun the mobster pulled on Harvey Dent was "carbon" something-something or something, according to Harvey when he took it. Made in China.

It's one of those fictional 'plastic guns' that can make it through metal detectors. But I don't know how well they'd fare, realistically, against fictional metal detectors. Fiction.

[Shroom Man 777]

Fucking post button...

As for Harvey's face and pain... his nerve receptors were gone. Those were third-fucking-degree burns. All he'd feel would be... cold.

No, he was in constant agony, he rejected pain medication. Stated flat out.

Well, third-degree burns don't work that way!

But they could be something other than third-degree burns. I don't want to, you know, look at a catalog of burn injuries

[ray245]

nickolay1, what the hell is your problem...you hate the film, yet you acquire the whole damn film just to point out the minor details?

If you hate the film this much, why are you even discussing about this film? Are you trying to make us hate the film as well or something?