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The Wench wrote:I thought he was just wearing foreign garb as a diplomat and then revealed himself as the Joker during his acceptance speech? He didn't have much reason to hide. He had diplomatic immunity from prosecution by then.
Traveling to the United Nations Building in New York City does not qualify as "abroad" to an American. Earlier in the story he wears normal clothing and makeup to disguise himself as a normal Caucasian male while traveling in Ethiopia. Not only did he dye his hair and wear makeup on his face and neck, but he also wore makeup on his wrists.

By the time he returned to the United States, he did so as the Islamic Republic of Iran's accredited permanent representative to the United Nations -- and was accredited as the Joker. He was not disguised, an did not "reveal" himself during his maiden speech to the General Assembly; it was already well-known he was the Joker.
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Publius wrote:
The Wench wrote:I thought he was just wearing foreign garb as a diplomat and then revealed himself as the Joker during his acceptance speech? He didn't have much reason to hide. He had diplomatic immunity from prosecution by then.
Traveling to the United Nations Building in New York City does not qualify as "abroad" to an American. Earlier in the story he wears normal clothing and makeup to disguise himself as a normal Caucasian male while traveling in Ethiopia. Not only did he dye his hair and wear makeup on his face and neck, but he also wore makeup on his wrists.

By the time he returned to the United States, he did so as the Islamic Republic of Iran's accredited permanent representative to the United Nations -- and was accredited as the Joker. He was not disguised, an did not "reveal" himself during his maiden speech to the General Assembly; it was already well-known he was the Joker.
Wait, wait, wait, WAIT. Are you seriously telling me that in some Emperor-forsaken comic book, they made the fucking JOKER an ambassador? From Iran?

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The Wench wrote:I thought he was just wearing foreign garb as a diplomat and then revealed himself as the Joker during his acceptance speech? He didn't have much reason to hide. He had diplomatic immunity from prosecution by then.
Traveling to the United Nations Building in New York City does not qualify as "abroad" to an American. Earlier in the story he wears normal clothing and makeup to disguise himself as a normal Caucasian male while traveling in Ethiopia. Not only did he dye his hair and wear makeup on his face and neck, but he also wore makeup on his wrists.

By the time he returned to the United States, he did so as the Islamic Republic of Iran's accredited permanent representative to the United Nations -- and was accredited as the Joker. He was not disguised, an did not "reveal" himself during his maiden speech to the General Assembly; it was already well-known he was the Joker.
Wait, wait, wait, WAIT. Are you seriously telling me that in some Emperor-forsaken comic book, they made the fucking JOKER an ambassador? From Iran?

Have a very nice day.
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They changed it to the fictional Mideast country of "Quraq" in reprints, I think. Quraq, get it? Iraq and Kuwait? Some people simply have no imagination.
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Oh, did anyone else think that they did a neat job of bringing the Batman with the classic solid white eyes to the screen, with that sonar gadget?
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Pelranius wrote:
fgalkin wrote:
Publius wrote: Traveling to the United Nations Building in New York City does not qualify as "abroad" to an American. Earlier in the story he wears normal clothing and makeup to disguise himself as a normal Caucasian male while traveling in Ethiopia. Not only did he dye his hair and wear makeup on his face and neck, but he also wore makeup on his wrists.

By the time he returned to the United States, he did so as the Islamic Republic of Iran's accredited permanent representative to the United Nations -- and was accredited as the Joker. He was not disguised, an did not "reveal" himself during his maiden speech to the General Assembly; it was already well-known he was the Joker.
Wait, wait, wait, WAIT. Are you seriously telling me that in some Emperor-forsaken comic book, they made the fucking JOKER an ambassador? From Iran?

Have a very nice day.
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Yes. Talk about how wonderful the eighties were, I guess :roll:

They changed it to the fictional Mideast country of "Quraq" in reprints, I think. Quraq, get it? Iraq and Kuwait? Some people simply have no imagination.
This is a decade that gave us "Carbombya," so I am not surprised. I figured it's either the 80s or some right-wing fantasy of today.

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Death from the Sea wrote:Oh, did anyone else think that they did a neat job of bringing the Batman with the classic solid white eyes to the screen, with that sonar gadget?
Yes. I also thought it was pretty funny when Lucius described the sonar/echo-location device and Bruce responds "Just like--"
"Submarines, Mister Wayne. Just like submarines," Lucius says as he interrupts him.

That way we can be sure that Batman won't name the device the "bat-sonar" or "bat-" anything. Nice.
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The film was amazing.



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fgalkin wrote:Wait, wait, wait, WAIT. Are you seriously telling me that in some Emperor-forsaken comic book, they made the fucking JOKER an ambassador? From Iran?
Batman: A Death in the Family (Batman nos. 426-9), the Joker fled to the Middle East and was involved in the black market sale of cruise missiles to Arabs planning to attack Israel. After murdering Jason Todd and his birth mother in Ethiopia, the Joker was approached by the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, who appointed him the Permanent Representative of the Islamic Republic of Iran to the United Nations (at one point in the story, the narrator wrongly describes an Iranian as a "panicked Arab"). He attempted to murder the entire General Assembly during his maiden speech, but was foiled by Superman (who was present at the President's request).
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This film was nothing but outstanding.

I'd almost say something sound bite-ish, like this is the kind of result other superhero movies should strive for, but there are honestly very few comic book characters to which you could apply this type of dead serious "real movie" treatment without it coming off as ridiculous or trying too hard.
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Bob the Gunslinger wrote:
Death from the Sea wrote:Oh, did anyone else think that they did a neat job of bringing the Batman with the classic solid white eyes to the screen, with that sonar gadget?
Yes. I also thought it was pretty funny when Lucius described the sonar/echo-location device and Bruce responds "Just like--"
"Submarines, Mister Wayne. Just like submarines," Lucius says as he interrupts him.

That way we can be sure that Batman won't name the device the "bat-sonar" or "bat-" anything. Nice.
I loved that scene with the lawyer he had, too.

"Let me get this straight. You think that your client, one of the wealthiest, most powerful men in the world, is secretly a vigilante who spends his nights beating criminals to a pulp with his bare hands. And your plan is to blackmail this person?"

I think he finishes it off by saying "Good luck" or something like that, but I don't remember. Anyway, that was just an awesome scene, and a great way to show Fox's smarts: he doesn't really say Bruce Wayne is Batman, but he leaves the implication that if he is, blackmailing him would be a Very Bad Idea.
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RogueIce wrote:"Let me get this straight. You think that your client, one of the wealthiest, most powerful men in the world, is secretly a vigilante who spends his nights beating criminals to a pulp with his bare hands. And your plan is to blackmail this person?"

I think he finishes it off by saying "Good luck" or something like that, but I don't remember.
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Spanky The Dolphin wrote:This film was nothing but outstanding.

I'd almost say something sound bite-ish, like this is the kind of result other superhero movies should strive for, but there are honestly very few comic book characters to which you could apply this type of dead serious "real movie" treatment without it coming off as ridiculous or trying too hard.
Yes, for better and for worse, Batman is one of the few "major league" comic franchises that takes itself pretty seriously. In fact, there has been some criticisms voiced as of late saying that the Batman comics in he last few years have in fact gotten too dark.
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Schuyler Colfax wrote:One gripe that I do have is that Scarecrow was completely unnecessary, I liked him in the first one but, after seeing what little he had to do here, I would have preferred him getting killed off in the first movie.
I couldn't figure that one out either. I can only assume that he's being set up to come back somehow and this scene just establishes that he's alive.
Well you could make a link as he inadvertably gave manpower to the Joker

a) Scarecrow's drugs made a lot junkies insane
I didn't think that was the real Scarecrow, it was a guy dressed as scarecrow laying a trap for the Mob.
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Very good movie. Much better than Begins, which bored me by insisting on how DARK and SERIOUS it was. This movie just WAS dark and serious, without insisting on it so much. I suppose having Joker as the villian helped lighten it up a bit, in a sense.

First of all, the acting was fantastic. Of course Ledger was great, we all knew that coming in, and he does not disappoint. But Eckhart's performance was also superb, and Bale himself was a dramatic improvement.

And script-wise, this is the movie I think the Spiderman series WISHES it could be. Mature, with an actual theme, hard choices are made, and everything has consequences. No, you CAN'T save Dent and Rachel. You can't superhero your way out of this one. He had to save one and kill the other. And he did, or at least he decided to, which is what matters.

What I especially love here is that while the Joker failed at his ultimate goal, he won the personal battles. Gotham itself is still sane, but Batman has been driven into hiding, Harvey Dent died an insane murderer, and Gordon's department is riddled with holes. All he left Batman was a city just sane enough to be worth protecting. At the cost of everything he held dear. I wonder how much of it Joker really realizes he did.

I have to say, I approved of Harvey Dent dying. TDK gave Two Face the absolute best take anyone is ever likely to give him in any movie, ever... and his coin schtick still looks utterly stupid. One of the few points in the movie where it actually felt like a comic book movie. Don't get me wrong, going from 'I make my own luck' to 'Chance is the only fair judge in an unfair universe' was done extremely well, but his bit about literally flipping a coin? Just did not work.

Also, on another note, the action sequences? AWESOME. Batman fights like you'd expect him to fight - a highly trained martial artist with a skilled mind and effectively unlimited resources. Although I would like to point out that if he would just use a GUN, he would've put Joker down in the first third of the movie and saved everyone a lot of grief.

The China sequence? Awesome. Batman at his finest, runs circles around puny corporate security. His overturning the Joker's truck was a great moment as well, chiefly because of how much of a surprise it was. And the crowning glory was his final sequence, rapelling down a building, throwing cops onto every floor on the way.

I would like to register, though, that the script was a bit weak. By the ferry sequence, things had somewhat degenerated into 'Joker pwns everyone because the script says so'. A bit unbelievable, that.

Also, the part was where he is taken to a police station, put in a cell... and no one bothers to even wash off his makeup? Come on. It's a small thing, but it annoyed me.
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I didn't think that was the real Scarecrow, it was a guy dressed as scarecrow laying a trap for the Mob.
Uh...it was certainly Jonathan Crane, with Cillian Murphy portraying him.
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Faqa wrote:why so serious?

Just for you, I hope Uwe Boll directs the next movie May it feature Britney Spears as Poison Ivy and The Rock as her pet thug, Bane... :P
You suck.

Seriously. You're defiling Schumacher's Batman & Robin, which to me was a pretty great film. Uma Thurman was great as Poison Ivy, and then there's Ahhhhnuld as Mister Freeze!

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Everybody... CHILL!

Goddamn, I loved that movie.

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Time to scream.

I hope the next two movies delve into the depths of suck so we can keep the franchise true to its roots. Maybe get Hayden Christensen to play Robin. And I want Michael Ironsides to play Mr. Freeze so he can look bored in another bad movie.
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Shroom Man 777 wrote:You suck.

Seriously. You're defiling Schumacher's Batman & Robin, which to me was a pretty great film. Uma Thurman was great as Poison Ivy, and then there's Ahhhhnuld as Mister Freeze!

Today Gotham... TOMORROW THE WORLD!

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Goddamn, I loved that movie.

Fuck y'all haters.

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Hav, have you even seen Speed Racer?

And goddamn, that youtube was awesome!
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Faqa wrote:Also, the part was where he is taken to a police station, put in a cell... and no one bothers to even wash off his makeup? Come on. It's a small thing, but it annoyed me.
most of the time in situations like that, the police don't bother to clean up the persons face. We had a guy that was covered in mud once that they photographed with the mud on him for his booking photos.
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The usually do that at County, not at the local precincts.
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VF5SS wrote:Time to scream.

I hope the next two movies delve into the depths of suck so we can keep the franchise true to its roots. Maybe get Hayden Christensen to play Robin. And I want Michael Ironsides to play Mr. Freeze so he can look bored in another bad movie.
DC needs to defeat Marvel for fanboy hypeness. We should get Samuel Jackson to show up in the suprise ending as Jon Stewart to tell Batman "about the League". :P
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Marvel already has SLJ. Maybe DC needs... Jamie Foxx.
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I was finally convinced to see this. As I expected, it was steaming shit of the greatest magnitude.

Some issues that "bugged" me:
  • The absolutely retarded bank security. Why the fuck would an insecure box on the roof be a critical component of the system, trivially disabled?
  • The stored money seemed idiotic. I don't believe that a bank would just keep it in a pile of cash such that it's easy for anyone entering the vault to snatch and pocket a stack or two.
  • The money bags were handled by the thugs as if they were full of feathers, not banknotes.
  • The conveniently slow police arrival time. A real police response would have probably been on scene they could even open the vault.
  • The cardboard bank walls. That school bus would have been crushed like a soda can against the reinforced walls of a real bank.
  • The fucking stupid escape. Was the driver of the bus behind the escaping one comatose? The dozens of other witnesses, too?
  • What kind of "intimidate" mode fires explosive cannon shells?
  • How is Batman's suit supposed to protect him from getting his bones and internal organs shredded at the conclusion of a 20-meter fall? At best, he'd be out of commission for weeks while recovering.
  • The goddamned "carbon fiber gun." Any pistol would obviously require a metal barrel, which would have been intercepted by security. Furthermore, the witness would have been gunned down on the spot as soon as he pulled it out.
  • Smuggling flights into Pyongyang. :lol:
  • Batman's absurdly high glide ratio. With wings of that size, his career would last about as long as it would take a fucking rock to hit the ground from that altitude.
  • The surface-to-air recovery, which did not appear to use an elastic cable. Batman's Chinese friend would have been ripped out of his arms during the split-second acceleration from 0 to 300 km/h. Batman himself would be dead from internal trauma.
  • The ridiculously exaggerated RPG-7s. Or was it the vehicles with explosive-lined doors?
  • Aren't tactical vans supposed to have armor that isn't vulnerable to buckshot? Yet, Joker's fire penetrated like it was thin paper.
  • Joker's truck, strong and massive enough to wreck multiple police vans while taking no damage, and then light enough that it's flipped over like a toy by a thin steel cable attached to its bumper? Wait, or did that happen due to the explosive charge underneath. The film was so damned sloppy that they didn't even remove the smoke. In any case, the Joker should have been fucking killed on the spot from the rapid deceleration, either in his seat or, as should have happened, upon hitting the pavement after being ejected from the cab.
  • Joker's very insecure confinement. Those shitbrained idiots didn't bother to fucking chain the most dangerous criminal of the fucking decade. And the moron later removed his restraints entirely.
  • The police metal detectors that apparently don't work through flesh. Had the inmate been competently searched, Joker's childish escape plan would have been nullified.
  • Harvey's face. He'd have required so much morphine that he wouldn't even be able to move, much less do even a tenth of the shit he did.
  • The motherfucking cellphone real-time "sonar." This was the analog of the giant microwave beam of the last dumbshit film.
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I saw the film again earlier today. The time went by much quicker but I still enjoyed myself.

Did anyone notice that the scene from the trailer where the Joker tosses a knife from one hand to the other is not in the film? It should have happened during the Joker + batpod scene. I noticed this when I first saw the film, but looked for it during the second viewing and did not see it.
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