Agent 47 in Gotham

[Majin Gojira]

I'd agree. If the two characters were Cassie and Leslie. Steph didn't NEED to be salvaged, she just needed to be RESURRECTED (and I don't think she really needed any resurrecting to begin with-while having her around to complicate Tim's love life was interesting, IMHO the most impact she had on the DCU was when she DIED, showing that yes, Robining is one hell of a dangerous job. Especially when you're not really qualified to do it. As, unfortunately, Jason could tell you. )

The entire "Steph as Robin" thing was largely done as a "reward" before the mandated offing.

It would be nice to know Cassie went bad just to revive Steph.

That and facing the extreme abandoment issues Bruce saddled her with. The amount of times he marginalizes her or makes sure she doesn't contact anyone outside the Bat-clan makes him seem downright sociopathic.

It's how I hoped to see it done originally. Cass snaps after years of abandonment and Steph's death when she learns Bruce's culpability in it (IE: "I only made Steph Robin as part of a Xanatos Gambit to get Tim back to be Robin."), and decides avenge her friend and their mutual betrayal.

How awesome would that motivation have been?

[Batman]

I'd agree. If the two characters were Cassie and Leslie. Steph didn't NEED to be salvaged, she just needed to be RESURRECTED (and I don't think she really needed any resurrecting to begin with-while having her around to complicate Tim's love life was interesting, IMHO the most impact she had on the DCU was when she DIED, showing that yes, Robining is one hell of a dangerous job. Especially when you're not really qualified to do it. As, unfortunately, Jason could tell you. )

The entire "Steph as Robin" thing was largely done as a "reward" before the mandated offing.

Please elaborate, if you could be bothered.

It would be nice to know Cassie went bad just to revive Steph.

That and facing the extreme abandoment issues Bruce saddled her with. The amount of times he marginalizes her or makes sure she doesn't contact anyone outside the Bat-clan makes him seem downright sociopathic.

Err-I'm downright sociopathic from the word GO.
The difference between Cassandra and the others is that while they had a (for want of a better term) normal life parallel to their Tights existence, Cassie DIDN'T. Me keeping her from meeting the outside world might simply have been an issue of me trying to ease her into things.
I DID let her play rooftop tag with Steph despite disapproving of Steph.

It's how I hoped to see it done originally. Cass snaps after years of abandonment and Steph's death when she learns Bruce's culpability in it (IE: "I only made Steph Robin as part of a Xanatos Gambit to get Tim back to be Robin."), and decides avenge her friend and their mutual betrayal.
How awesome would that motivation have been?

Very

[The Yosemite Bear]

you know we should just send this discussion to DC.

This along with my statement that on of the real reasons that Jerico, Raven, & Donna All left for their own apartments around the same time. was that Kory (being from an alien race that is really proud about expressing their emotions and believe in expressing them), and Garfield (mentally comparing every single starlet to Tara, and wondering how a girl could be attracted to a loathsome freak like himself) had to be the two most psychicly LOUD people they would be regularly exposed to. With a Narcisstic Green Arrow Jr. Speedy/Arsenal comming in pretty close by. Mind you Vic isn't nearly so EMO as many think he is. I mean sure he's more machine then man now, but he still gets that girl with the Bee motif idenity into bed fairly frequently.

[Majin Gojira]

Please elaborate, if you could be bothered.

I wish I could link the exact source, it was either at the second "New Superdickery" board or on Scans_Daily, but the discussion of Steph's Robin tenure came up, and an interview from the writer at the time regarding Steph basically came down to this:

They planned her to initiate War Games from the getgo, then die.

The writer decided to give her a brief, glimmering moment of Happiness by makingher Robin before being stuffed into the fridge.

That was it.

Err-I'm downright sociopathic from the word GO.

True.

The difference between Cassandra and the others is that while they had a (for want of a better term) normal life parallel to their Tights existence, Cassie DIDN'T. Me keeping her from meeting the outside world might simply have been an issue of me trying to ease her into things.

Among other nasty little jems of Bad Parenting, Batman never did teach her to read and then 'fired' her for a short time because of it.

There's something profoundly wrong with that.

Barbara, Steph and even Tim helped her on that one, though.

What was really screwed up was one instance where she took Bruce's orders over her own observations (related, of course, to signs and reading).

Then there was the "No Metahumans" rule which extended to being in contact with them.

Then there was her "Date" with Superboy, and Bat's flipout over that (even though it was a one-time deal and ended rather well, all things considered).

Very

Thanks.

Maybe I can get DC to buy the concept: "Rose Wilson and Cassandra Cain share an appartment."

I don't think I need to explain more than that.

[The Yosemite Bear]

lol!!!

the two women with the most baggage about their fathers.