Agent 47 in Gotham

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2008-05-15 05:54am

Actually they are foes/occasional allies of a former Robin, dating back to the early 1980s....

To be exact Anders, they are "Deathstroke the Terminator" and his daughter the current "Ravager". gee doesn't Nightwing get all the good villians.

Post by **weemadando** » 2008-05-15 06:04am

Well, they won't be in there. I'm going to keep the rogues gallery fairly small.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2008-05-15 06:30am

Hell really cruel would be pointing out that Gotham is also home to Hitman (Tommy Monahan), Solomon Grundy (unkillable unless your an elder god), and Etrigan/Jason Blood, not to mention a few WWII era folks (an ex-Green Lantern and his ex-Girlfriend/WWII's answer to poison Ivy)

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2008-05-15 06:35am

Mind you if 47 REALLY wants a challenge, he could take on a master of assassins, his ninja daughters, and their whole army of followers. <Oh god did I just include Ras, Talia, Batgirl, Shiva, Cain AND Nyssa?>

Majin Gojira · Post by **Majin Gojira** » 2008-05-15 08:30am

Hey! Cass hasn't been 'on their side' for months now, and that was a horribly done "Plot Twist" which we needn't speak of ever again.

Ever.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2008-05-15 08:31am

Majin Gojira wrote:Hey! Cass hasn't been 'on their side' for months now, and that was a horribly done "Plot Twist" which we needn't speak of ever again.

Ever.

Is she back to being Batgirl again then?

Majin Gojira · Post by **Majin Gojira** » 2008-05-15 08:40am

Tsyroc wrote:
Majin Gojira wrote:Hey! Cass hasn't been 'on their side' for months now, and that was a horribly done "Plot Twist" which we needn't speak of ever again.

Ever.
Is she back to being Batgirl again then?

For the most part.

But they're having the writer who fucked her over in the first place writing a mini explaining in detail what happened while she was off screen, and using that as the basis on whether or not to relaunch an ongoing.

It's kind of like how Spoiler is just recently revealed to be Not Quite Dead.

Majin Gojira · Post by **Majin Gojira** » 2008-05-15 08:46am

Ghetto Edit:

She is currently working with Batman in "Batman and the Outsiders", but the callback to what happened makes it 'Iffy' in my mind.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2008-05-15 08:47am

Majin Gojira wrote:
For the most part.

But they're having the writer who fucked her over in the first place writing a mini explaining in detail what happened while she was off screen, and using that as the basis on whether or not to relaunch an ongoing.

It's kind of like how Spoiler is just recently revealed to be Not Quite Dead.

Oh Jesus Fucking Christ!

Can't they just get a good editor in charge of all the Bat books and keep people from making really jackassed decisions in the first place?

While they are cleaning up that crap can they at least bring back Gotham Central? Or, are they too busy fucking over Montoya's character to do that?

Majin Gojira · Post by **Majin Gojira** » 2008-05-15 08:54am

They turned Montoya into a Female Legacy Character for the Question.

In other words, she now has a Death Clock.

I also miss Gotham Central (though it might have done better as an actuall TV show to screw over the Law and Order Monopoly).

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2008-05-15 10:00am

Not to mention that Nyssa hates her dad, almost as much as Cassies parents hate each other.

Post by **Steve** » 2008-05-15 07:49pm

Majin Gojira wrote:
Tsyroc wrote:
Majin Gojira wrote:Hey! Cass hasn't been 'on their side' for months now, and that was a horribly done "Plot Twist" which we needn't speak of ever again.

Ever.
Is she back to being Batgirl again then?
For the most part.

But they're having the writer who fucked her over in the first place writing a mini explaining in detail what happened while she was off screen, and using that as the basis on whether or not to relaunch an ongoing.

It's kind of like how Spoiler is just recently revealed to be Not Quite Dead.

*splutters*

WHAT?

They're undoing Spoiler's death?!

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2008-05-15 07:51pm

Steve wrote:
Majin Gojira wrote:
Tsyroc wrote: Is she back to being Batgirl again then?
For the most part.

But they're having the writer who fucked her over in the first place writing a mini explaining in detail what happened while she was off screen, and using that as the basis on whether or not to relaunch an ongoing.

It's kind of like how Spoiler is just recently revealed to be Not Quite Dead.
*splutters*

WHAT?

They're undoing Spoiler's death?!

Already have.

They haven't told us HOW it happened, but in the latest Robin, she's up and kicking with nary a scratch on her.

Post by **Steve** » 2008-05-15 08:11pm

Who is writing the Bat books these days anyway?!

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2008-05-15 08:49pm

Steve wrote:Who is writing the Bat books these days anyway?!

Sadly, the Bat titles are pretty much again seperate universes...with only Grant Morrison's Batman RIP being the new crossover.

Currently The revival of Spoiler is being headed up by Chuck Dixon. Sadly, last issue I read(being Robin #172) had the last panel of Spoiler without her mask...and it looked awfully close to Steph. The funniest bit is issue #174 is supposed to be some grand revelation of who she truly is. Given track record of many ressurections it'll either be one of three things:

1. Twin Sister that knows everything.
2. Clone...same as above, but clone. Possibly Time displaced or dimensional displaced.
3. It's really her and Leslie Thompkins hid the body and healed her back to full health without anyone's knowledge. Perhaps evil villain funding.

Molyneux · Post by **Molyneux** » 2008-05-15 09:57pm

Ghost Rider wrote:
Steve wrote:Who is writing the Bat books these days anyway?!
Sadly, the Bat titles are pretty much again seperate universes...with only Grant Morrison's Batman RIP being the new crossover.

Currently The revival of Spoiler is being headed up by Chuck Dixon. Sadly, last issue I read(being Robin #172) had the last panel of Spoiler without her mask...and it looked awfully close to Steph. The funniest bit is issue #174 is supposed to be some grand revelation of who she truly is. Given track record of many ressurections it'll either be one of three things:

1. Twin Sister that knows everything.
2. Clone...same as above, but clone. Possibly Time displaced or dimensional displaced.
3. It's really her and Leslie Thompkins hid the body and healed her back to full health without anyone's knowledge. Perhaps evil villain funding.

Hoping it's the third. Might help to un-derail Dr. Thompkins' character screwing-over, too.

Majin Gojira · Post by **Majin Gojira** » 2008-05-15 11:12pm

So am I, but the Cass situation has me rather jaded.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2008-05-16 01:18am

Ghost Rider wrote:
Steve wrote:Who is writing the Bat books these days anyway?!
Sadly, the Bat titles are pretty much again seperate universes...with only Grant Morrison's Batman RIP being the new crossover.

Currently The revival of Spoiler is being headed up by Chuck Dixon. Sadly, last issue I read(being Robin #172) had the last panel of Spoiler without her mask...and it looked awfully close to Steph. The funniest bit is issue #174 is supposed to be some grand revelation of who she truly is. Given track record of many ressurections it'll either be one of three things:

1. Twin Sister that knows everything.
2. Clone...same as above, but clone. Possibly Time displaced or dimensional displaced.
3. It's really her and Leslie Thompkins hid the body and healed her back to full health without anyone's knowledge. Perhaps evil villain funding.

Cassies whole "Joining the Darkside" period was just cover for her to get ahold of a Lazerous Pit for an Steph-cicle.

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2008-05-16 06:56pm

And people wonder why I don't read Me comics anymore. leave alone the rest of the DCU.
I am SO moving to the Timmverse at the nearest opportunity.

Molyneux · Post by **Molyneux** » 2008-05-16 09:35pm

The Yosemite Bear wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:
Steve wrote:Who is writing the Bat books these days anyway?!
Sadly, the Bat titles are pretty much again seperate universes...with only Grant Morrison's Batman RIP being the new crossover.

Currently The revival of Spoiler is being headed up by Chuck Dixon. Sadly, last issue I read(being Robin #172) had the last panel of Spoiler without her mask...and it looked awfully close to Steph. The funniest bit is issue #174 is supposed to be some grand revelation of who she truly is. Given track record of many ressurections it'll either be one of three things:

1. Twin Sister that knows everything.
2. Clone...same as above, but clone. Possibly Time displaced or dimensional displaced.
3. It's really her and Leslie Thompkins hid the body and healed her back to full health without anyone's knowledge. Perhaps evil villain funding.
Cassies whole "Joining the Darkside" period was just cover for her to get ahold of a Lazerous Pit for an Steph-cicle.

So...Leslie Thompkins was still derailed, but Steph is back, and Cassie was never actually evil.

I have to say, two out of three characters salvaged ain't bad. Doesn't excuse the idiocy in the first place, but still.

Majin Gojira · Post by **Majin Gojira** » 2008-05-16 11:10pm

Batman wrote:And people wonder why I don't read Me comics anymore. leave alone the rest of the DCU.
I am SO moving to the Timmverse at the nearest opportunity.

And people wonder why I spend time crafting my own hero-verse.

Well, aside from my sick love of Crossovers.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2008-05-17 03:34am

note my post about using the Lazpit on Steph, just made sense, and was my suggestion, they probably didn't do that....

Molyneux · Post by **Molyneux** » 2008-05-17 11:18am

The Yosemite Bear wrote:note my post about using the Lazpit on Steph, just made sense, and was my suggestion, they probably didn't do that....

Oh...well, damn.
Why aren't you writing for DC?

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2008-05-17 01:33pm

Because I have a continuity memory that extends beyond five years, and too much respect for the characters. Hell even my DC fanfic they stay fairly well in character...

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2008-05-17 07:28pm

Molyneux wrote:*SNIP to conserve post length*
So...Leslie Thompkins was still derailed, but Steph is back, and Cassie was never actually evil.
I have to say, two out of three characters salvaged ain't bad. Doesn't excuse the idiocy in the first place, but still.

I'd agree. If the two characters were Cassie and Leslie. Steph didn't NEED to be salvaged, she just needed to be RESURRECTED (and I don't think she really needed any resurrecting to begin with-while having her around to complicate Tim's love life was interesting, IMHO the most impact she had on the DCU was when she DIED, showing that yes, Robining is one hell of a dangerous job. Especially when you're not really qualified to do it. As, unfortunately, Jason could tell you. )
It would be nice to know Cassie went bad just to revive Steph.
It would be NICER to know Leslie DIDN'T let Steph die for no other reason than to teach me a lesson (which would be TOTALLY out of character), and it would be even MORE nice to know she didn't do so at the behest of some supervillain or other (which would be even MORE out of character).