Macross Plus: What happened to Isamu Dyson?

Crom · Post by **Crom** » 2008-02-03 01:03pm

I was watching Macross Plus and after the last episode I was really curious, what happens after the events of the series? Is Isamu arrested for desertion or treason? Or do you think the UN authorities will let some of that slide because he saved Macross City?

Ford Prefect · Post by **Ford Prefect** » 2008-02-03 05:50pm

While I don't know if there is any material describing the aftermath (apart from the fact that the (YF-19 won Project Super Nova by default and the UN Spacy abandonned their 'Age of the AI' thing), I honestly can't see him being arrested. I mean, he stopped the Macross being 'stolen'. That's pretty big.

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2008-02-03 09:40pm

Ford Prefect wrote:(YF-19 won Project Super Nova by default and the UN Spacy abandonned their 'Age of the AI' thing)

The Ghost X-9 eventually went into production. Macross Frontier has some.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2008-02-03 10:51pm

There's also some "dumb" ones in Macross VFX-2.

As for Isamu? He probably had a happy ending with Myung.

Ford Prefect · Post by **Ford Prefect** » 2008-02-04 04:56am

Vendetta wrote:The Ghost X-9 eventually went into production. Macross Frontier has some.

Yeah, I know; except that they're as dumb as the ones in Macross VFX-2. They're akin to the original Ghost UCAVs in SDF Macross. I don't think they're fully autonomous like the X-9 was supposed to be, otherwise the alien jamming wouldn't have fucked them up as badly as it did (they were crashing into each other).

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2008-02-04 12:40pm

Why's this in here? Last I checked, the Veritechs weren't built by magic.

The YF-21 also won some contracts, albeit, without the neural interfacing which likely would have done well had they not had a test pilot with severe emotional issues use the thing.

It's too bad they couldn't reason with the X-9's AI like they did EDI in Stealth.

Crom · Post by **Crom** » 2008-02-04 01:07pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:Why's this in here? Last I checked, the Veritechs weren't built by magic.

I assumed that anime would be similar to comic books where, even if there is sci-fi content, it would be categorized as fantasy.

The YF-21 also won some contracts, albeit, without the neural interfacing which likely would have done well had they not had a test pilot with severe emotional issues use the thing.

It's too bad they couldn't reason with the X-9's AI like they did EDI in Stealth.

The impression I got was that the YF-19 was actually the superior fighter craft even with the YF-21's neural interface. Admittedly, I'm not sure how much of that is because Isamu and how much of that is because of the YF-19.

And, come to think of it, they probably could have reasoned with the Sharon AI controlling the Ghost if she didn't have it bad for Isamu.

Crom · Post by **Crom** » 2008-02-04 01:08pm

Ford Prefect wrote:While I don't know if there is any material describing the aftermath (apart from the fact that the (YF-19 won Project Super Nova by default and the UN Spacy abandonned their 'Age of the AI' thing), I honestly can't see him being arrested. I mean, he stopped the Macross being 'stolen'. That's pretty big.

The reason why I asked was that he committed some serious crimes prior to the Macross incident and has a terrible record. I mean, he stole an experimental Veritch fighter with the intent of destroying another UN prototype.

Would he, at least, be shuffled out somewhere where he could do no more harm?

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2008-02-04 02:02pm

They' not fucking veritechs, jesus christ. nerd raaaaaaaaage!

As for Isamu, other than him being a hotshot pilot who lived on the edge, there's not a lot about his past or present other than what was in the anime. I mean, he's only 24 so there's not a lot to say about his life to begin with. Milliard actually got a radio drama about his time in Skull Squadron working with Hikaru Ichijo.

As for the YF-21, it became a special forces fighter as the VF-22. If Blazer Force is any indication, the VF-19 is also a special forces fighter. It appears that the new VF-17 variant, the VF-171 is the new mass production Valkyrie that replaces the VF-11.

Nephtys · Post by **Nephtys** » 2008-02-04 03:58pm

Ford Prefect wrote:
Vendetta wrote:The Ghost X-9 eventually went into production. Macross Frontier has some.
Yeah, I know; except that they're as dumb as the ones in Macross VFX-2. They're akin to the original Ghost UCAVs in SDF Macross. I don't think they're fully autonomous like the X-9 was supposed to be, otherwise the alien jamming wouldn't have fucked them up as badly as it did (they were crashing into each other).

Speaking of those, have we ever seen the original QF-3000's in action? And is Macross F any good? I'm tempted to watch, but I don't want Macross 7: Do You Remember MusicalDemonInvasion?

Ford Prefect · Post by **Ford Prefect** » 2008-02-04 04:45pm

Nephtys wrote:Speaking of those, have we ever seen the original QF-3000's in action?

We see them take off in the first episode, and they're mentioned several times, but we never really see them in action.

And is Macross F any good? I'm tempted to watch, but I don't want Macross 7: Do You Remember MusicalDemonInvasion?

We've only seen the first episode so far, and it doesn't actually start until April. However, so far it actually looks pretty good. Certainly our enemy does not appear to be musical in nature.

Milliard actually got a radio drama about his time in Skull Squadron working with Hikaru Ichijo.

That is fucking awesome.

The impression I got was that the YF-19 was actually the superior fighter craft even with the YF-21's neural interface. Admittedly, I'm not sure how much of that is because Isamu and how much of that is because of the YF-19.

The YF-19's performance was supposedly superior to those of the YF-21, it was really hard to pilot; conversely, the YF-21 with the BDI was much more responsive than a traditionally piloted plane. In any case, the differences in speed and agility are both insignificant and artificial - the YF-21 is capable of matching the X-9's truly inane level of agility and acceleration ... though to the considerable detriment of the pilot.

And, come to think of it, they probably could have reasoned with the Sharon AI controlling the Ghost if she didn't have it bad for Isamu.

To be honest, I don't think they could. While it seems that her stealing of the Ghost and the Macross was entirely for the the benefit of Isamu's thrill-seeking (and to a lesser extent Guld, because she loves Guld as well), that nutcase Marj clearly seemed to expect her to do something drastic like that. The bio-neural chip apparently came with a dangerous self-preservation protocol which was, I presume, tangibly dangerous.

Myung's weirdass personality was just icing on the cake.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2008-02-04 05:01pm

Ford Prefect wrote:
We see them take off in the first episode, and they're mentioned several times, but we never really see them in action.

And the QF-2200 fly around and battled MiGs in Macross Zero when they weren't be strapped to the backs of VF-0s.

That is fucking awesome.

Millard and Flower Girl that's even better.

Crom · Post by **Crom** » 2008-02-05 01:19pm

Ford Prefect wrote:The YF-19's performance was supposedly superior to those of the YF-21, it was really hard to pilot; conversely, the YF-21 with the BDI was much more responsive than a traditionally piloted plane. In any case, the differences in speed and agility are both insignificant and artificial - the YF-21 is capable of matching the X-9's truly inane level of agility and acceleration ... though to the considerable detriment of the pilot.

I guess my confusion comes from Valdemar's statment that the YF-21 was produced without the BDI, therefore negating the advantage of the YF-21 over the YF-19.

Starglider · Post by **Starglider** » 2008-02-05 02:47pm

I refuse to believe that that was the end of the 'bio-neural' chip technology. Someone is obviously producing these things and technology like that is essentially impossible to erradicate once the plans are out there. I can see a major anti-AI crackdown immediately after the Sharon Apple Incident but I can't see it preventing futher underground research.

Nephtys · Post by **Nephtys** » 2008-02-05 05:14pm

Crom wrote:
Ford Prefect wrote:The YF-19's performance was supposedly superior to those of the YF-21, it was really hard to pilot; conversely, the YF-21 with the BDI was much more responsive than a traditionally piloted plane. In any case, the differences in speed and agility are both insignificant and artificial - the YF-21 is capable of matching the X-9's truly inane level of agility and acceleration ... though to the considerable detriment of the pilot.
I guess my confusion comes from Valdemar's statment that the YF-21 was produced without the BDI, therefore negating the advantage of the YF-21 over the YF-19.

I was under the impression the YF-21 was superior but based on dozens of new technologies and techniques, while the YF-19 was a more traditional-styled plane. Which explains why the YF-19 was slated to replace the VF-11, while the VF-22 derived from the YF-21 became the special-issue plane?

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2008-02-05 06:36pm

The aim of Project Super Nova was to find new fighter to replace the VF-11 so either the YF-19 or YF-21 could have potentially been the winner. The VF-22 being made special forces fighter seems like a concession to General Galaxy. If anything, Shoji Kawamori never seems to completely throw out a design, which is why Macross M3 the Dreamcast game has a bunch designs dating back from the 80's.

Starglider · Post by **Starglider** » 2008-02-05 06:46pm

VF5SS wrote:The aim of Project Super Nova was to find new fighter to replace the VF-11 so either the YF-19 or YF-21 could have potentially been the winner.

It's strongly implied that the Ghost X-9 would probably have won if the whole Sharon Apple fiasco hadn't occured.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2008-02-05 08:44pm

Starglider wrote:
It's strongly implied that the Ghost X-9 would probably have won if the whole Sharon Apple fiasco hadn't occured.

Wait, didn't they just cancel Super Nova for the X-9? It didn't really win so much as some UN Spacy brass said, "hay guys go home now, we have a new robot plane!"

That's why Isamu wanted it dead.

Ford Prefect · Post by **Ford Prefect** » 2008-02-06 05:21pm

That was essentially it; hence why the general dropped Isamu's shooting so easily, because it didn't matter if the Super Nova pilots were still in action - the Ghost rendered them obsolete and useless. It had 'won' in the sense that it would replace the Thunderbolt, but it was never in the competition, and so it couldn't loose.

Incidentally, while Project Super Nova was after a replacement for the VF-11, Millard's description of its future roles seem to imply that they would would be as much a 'special forces fighter' as the VF-17.