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 Post subject: Media makes shit up about Will Smith(Re:Hitler) PostPosted: 2007-12-25 01:42am
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Will Smith has stunned the world by declaring that even Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler was essentially a "good" person.

The Men In Black star, 39, is determined to see the best in people, and is convinced the former German leader did not fully understand the extent of the pain and suffering his actions would cause during his time in power in the 1930s and '40s.

He says, "Even Hitler didn't wake up going, 'Let me do the most evil thing I can do today'.

"I think he woke up in the morning and using a twisted, backwards logic, he set out to do what he thought was 'good'. Stuff like that just needs reprogramming."


Hitler's totalitarian leadership as Fuhrer during 1934 until his eventual suicide in 1945 resulted in the persecution of an estimated six million Jews in the Holocaust, and his invasion of Poland in 1939 led to the start of the Second World War.


Note that the claim in the first bolded statement is in fact NOT supported by his actual quote. Of course, the PC police doesn't care as long as people keep saying 'ZOMG he likes teh NAZIS!!!!111' folks will think its true.

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On the day before Christmas, a leading Jewish group is kvetching loudly about Will Smith's recent suggestion that Adolf Hitler wasn't all bad, calling it "ignorant, detestable, and offensive." Oy.

And it doesn't end there ...

The Jewish Defense League is calling on Barack Obama to repudiate Smith's comments, and wants theaters to pull Smith's new flick "I Am Legend" from their screens. Smith told a Scottish paper that Hitler "didn't wake up going, 'Let me do the most evil thing I can do today.' ... I think he woke up in the morning and using a twisted, backwards logic, he set out to do what he thought was 'good.'" What kind of meshuggeneh talk is that?!

Smith's words, say the JDL, "spit on the memory of every person murdered by the Nazis. His disgusting words stick a knife in the backs of every veteran who fought (and sometimes died) to save the world from the intentions of Adolf Hitler." Smith's rep could not be reached for comment.


Now, I don't think Smith is finished, for two reasons; One, he's black and its hard to call a black guy a nazi, and Two, its Christmas and it isn't likely anyone will pick this up until after the new year. I think what bugs me the most is the blatant spin on his quote to allow people to get offended and outraged over a non-defense of hitler.



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That goes beyond spin-doctoring and into the realm of outright slander.



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Oh my god, look at the comments at the tmz.com article in your second link. Virtually everyone there agrees that Will Smith said something horrible. Can these people really be so goddamned stupid?

Mr. Smith said absolutely nothing wrong. There is nothing wrong with pointing out that Hitler believed he was not evil. In order to defeat the enemy, you must first understand the enemy. One cannot understand white supremacism as long as one is so stupid and ignorant that he can characterize them as a bunch of cackling madmen gleefully rubbing their hands over the prospects of doing evil. They have an ideology, and they believe they are fighting against evil.

Many (some would say all) of history's most profound atrocities have been committed by people who thought they were committing them in the service of righteousness. Ignoring that reality only ensures more of the same.



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I found the phrase "HANG THIS RACIST JIGABOO" to be ironically hilarious on at least 6 different levels.

Its right up there with YouTube threads for intellectual commentary.



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 Post subject:  PostPosted: 2007-12-25 02:00am
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Oh my god, look at the comments at the tmz.com article in your second link. Virtually everyone there agrees that Will Smith said something horrible. Can these people really be so goddamned stupid?


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Oh my god, look at the comments at the tmz.com article in your second link.


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...the comments at the tmz.com article...


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the tmz.com article






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tmz.com


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Is the "Jewish Defense League" actually a major group? I know the ADL (Anti-Defamation League) is a big-name group, and the JDL's acronym is similar to ADL so one might confuse the two, but I don't recall hearing much from the JDL before. Are they related to the Peoples' Front of Judea?



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Is the "Jewish Defense League" actually a major group? I know the ADL (Anti-Defamation League) is a big-name group, and the JDL's acronym is similar to ADL so one might confuse the two, but I don't recall hearing much from the JDL before. Are they related to the Peoples' Front of Judea?

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The Jewish Defense League is calling on Barack Obama to repudiate Smith's comments,


Ok, maybe I'm missing something here, but what does Obama have to do with this? Is this a case of "well, they're both black, so he must feel the same way...", or was there something politics-related in the rest of Smith's comments that was left out?

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Hey, you know about Wikipedia's reputation around here... ;)

Actually the Wiki page does look pretty decent; but at any rate, ADL has several quotes from JDL's site. Take a look at this:

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"We feel that [Baruch] Goldstein took a preventative measure against yet another Arab attack on Jews. We understand his motivation, his grief and his actions. And we are not ashamed to say that Goldstein was a charter member of the Jewish Defense League."


If you don't recall, Goldstein was the guy who gunned down 25 Muslims while they were praying. If the JDL aren't a terrorist organization, they certainly don't seem to be very opposed to terrorism, to say the very least. :banghead:

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Shit, I love the false dichotomy those people provide. Either be strong and defend yourself by killing innocent people before they can do anything to you, or be a weakling and get trodden on! Disgusting, this is.

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Even if you dismissed the Wikipedia article almost entirely, it does contain one fact that makes it obvious what kind of outfit the JDL is without any further reading: It was founded by Meir Kahane. Which means it's a racist, Zionist hate group no decent person would wish to associate with. A bunch of scumbags who are riding on the coattails of the Holocaust and trying to use it as a bludgeon every chance they get.



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Wow. You look at the first link, it has a photo of Will Smith and the caption "Smith: Hitler was a good person". Just a disgusting, headline-hungry act. Good thing for Smith that the only people that seem interested in it so far are a random publicity starved cult/hate group and a vindictive Yahoo Editor.

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What a bunch of fucking imbeciles.

Of course he's going to end up apolgizing by the new year and will probably undergo "sensitivity" training.



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I suspect some people want Hitler to be some sort of cartoonish super evil caricature, that way they dont need to feel so bad about having similar opinions - HE was absolute EVIL, we are not; right?



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The Jewish Defense League is calling on Barack Obama to repudiate Smith's comments,


Ok, maybe I'm missing something here, but what does Obama have to do with this? Is this a case of "well, they're both black, so he must feel the same way...", or was there something politics-related in the rest of Smith's comments that was left out?


I believe Will Smith has come out in favor of Obama. link

Shucks. I used to like Will Smith. Now he wants to kill all the Jews! :roll:

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The Jewish Defense League is calling on Barack Obama to repudiate Smith's comments,


Ok, maybe I'm missing something here, but what does Obama have to do with this? Is this a case of "well, they're both black, so he must feel the same way...", or was there something politics-related in the rest of Smith's comments that was left out?


Obama is a damned nigger too, that's why.



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Smith should have expected this. As someone who avoided virtually any scandal so far, folks like the maladjusted sweaty retards at TMZ have been waiting for anything, ANYTHING, to nail people like him, who refuse to give them anything to make money with. Th every fact he even said "Hitler" in any sentence for any reason probably gave Harvey Levin and the rest of the TMZ trolls an orgasm so intense their genatals started bleeding. This is the ultimate Christmas present for those losers.

Anyway, if i believed for a moment they'd accept it i'd like to point out that he never said Hitler was a good person, or anything of the sort. If i thought for a second they'd understand i'd explain that he was trying to explore Hitler's motivation. But to do either i'd have to post on their forum or whatever, and frankly, i'd rather punch myself in the balls with a boxing glove covered in barbed wire.



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Here's my comment I posted over at TMZ.com. They didn't post it, likely because I put in a fake email address since I don;t want their crap being sent to me.

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Anyone who reads this and thinks "Will Smith is a racist" is a fucking retard. He said nothing even resembling "Hitler was a good person" or "Hitler wasn't really all that bad" or any of the other soundbytes thrown out by these websites. He literally spoke a fact that even a goddamned 10 year old can understand. No, Hitler didn't wake up every morning thinking he was doing evil things. DUH. That's why he was evil you goddamned fucktards.

And the JDL? REALLY? You're gonna post anything that hate group who condoned the murder of 25 innocent Arabs while they were praying by a racist nutjob on the same level as Hitler says?

Harvey, I love you on Peoples Court, but I think all that coverage of Paris Hiltons vagina has made your brain a bit soft.

Hope you have fun getting sued for libel and defamation in the UK. Now, let's go back to the courtroom for our next case on the docket.



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Heh. Just another example of pathetic slander used to sensational effect.

I guess "quality" is not important when journalism is meant to entertain.



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This clearly looks like a nice open case for slander. I say hit Yahoo.Inc with a nice lawsuit over this Mr Smith.




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Will Smith's response.

It's really pathetic how people have latched onto these comments and acted like Will Smith said something really bad.

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Sadly, slander/libel laws in the UK are designed to protect the media, it seems. I wouldn't mind him making another $100 million off of this.



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I should add, i think the thread title a mite misleading.

A more accurate one would be "Fucklords Slander Dude, 'Cuz They Fail" but i understand, that probably wouldnt fit in the space. :wink:


But seriously, jokes aside, i cant imagine anyone but the most knee-jerk reactionary thinking anything about this other than "LOL slander!", cause it deserves no deeper inspection. A simple cursory glance at Smith's quote would dispell any attempt by people to "spin" (i.e. lie) about him saying Hitler was "good".

I'm surprised he even issued a statement. Really. If it were me, i'd just ignore it and expect most people to not even care, which i figure is exactly what will happen if they even begin to read what he actually said or quote him in context.



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Because of this idiocy, I shall be seeing I Am Legend on friday. I was thinking about it anyway, though.



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Because of this idiocy, I shall be seeing I Am Legend on friday. I was thinking about it anyway, though.


I wouldn't.

Maybe rent Enemy of the State or Independance Day. Or just send him $10.



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