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Darth Wong wrote:I don't recall ever registering for that forum, but since Mr. Loser rushed to take it down almost as soon as he put it up, the whole thing is nothing more than an amusing footnote anyway.
That's was DarkStar's forum, right? I think you did register on it, Mike. You basically just put up numerous posts demanding he show evidence or provide explanations of assorted BS he was peddling, and he eventually banned you for "trolling".
Darth Wong wrote:Anyway, their whole forum and wiki are something like a dozen people. Honestly, who gives a shit? We could (and in my opinion should) completely ignore them and nothing whatsoever would change. Apart from the occasional opportunity for mockery, what possible significance could they have?
They can continue the new Trekkie argument system: peddle your BS in your own venue, and claim that it's "unrefuted" because no one shows up to challenge it. It's petty, but that seems to be the last recourse of die-hard Trekkies. I guess the argument against ignoring them is the same as the argument against ignoring Creationists; let them sell their BS to enough uneducated rubes, and the cancer spreads.
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Darth Wong wrote: I don't recall ever registering for that forum, but since Mr. Loser rushed to take it down almost as soon as he put it up, the whole thing is nothing more than an amusing footnote anyway.
I recall that you were there but after you posted a different thread per series started after Roddenberry died asking if it was really Trek, based on Roddenberry's infamous quote, you were banned for trolling. I seem to recall that everyone but the Trektards thought it was funny.
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Darth Wong wrote:I don't recall ever registering for that forum, but since Mr. Loser rushed to take it down almost as soon as he put it up, the whole thing is nothing more than an amusing footnote anyway.
I recall that you were there but after you posted a different thread per series started after Roddenberry died asking if it was really Trek, based on Roddenberry's infamous quote, you were banned for trolling. I seem to recall that everyone but the Trektards thought it was funny.
Oh yeah, that sounds familiar now.

I imagine that whole thing was a much bigger event in the Trektards' lives than it was in mine.
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Darth Wong wrote: Oh yeah, that sounds familiar now.

I imagine that whole thing was a much bigger event in the Trektards' lives than it was in mine.
Apperently, they bring it up any chance they get.
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Cpl Kendall wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Oh yeah, that sounds familiar now.

I imagine that whole thing was a much bigger event in the Trektards' lives than it was in mine.
Apperently, they bring it up any chance they get.
:lol: Really? Do they honestly have no idea how sad that makes them look?
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Darth Wong wrote: :lol: Really? Do they honestly have no idea how sad that makes them look?
Ha! Browse through SFJ, they obviously have no idea how they come across. After all when you've got nothing to show for your life, you have to latch on to anything that makes you feel better. Except GStone of course, he's the reincarnation of Sgt. York.
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Ted C wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:I don't recall ever registering for that forum, but since Mr. Loser rushed to take it down almost as soon as he put it up, the whole thing is nothing more than an amusing footnote anyway.
That's was DarkStar's forum, right? I think you did register on it, Mike. You basically just put up numerous posts demanding he show evidence or provide explanations of assorted BS he was peddling, and he eventually banned you for "trolling".
If memory serves, weren't most of the people who went there from SDN anyway?
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Darth Wong wrote:
Cpl Kendall wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Oh yeah, that sounds familiar now.

I imagine that whole thing was a much bigger event in the Trektards' lives than it was in mine.
Apperently, they bring it up any chance they get.
:lol: Really? Do they honestly have no idea how sad that makes them look?
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Lord Poe wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:
Cpl Kendall wrote: Apperently, they bring it up any chance they get.
:lol: Really? Do they honestly have no idea how sad that makes them look?
"To you, it was one of the most memorable days of your life. To me, it was a Tuesday..."

Wasn't that quote from "Battle Beyond the Stars"?
Sadly, it's from Street Fighter: The Movie.

Raul Julia as Bison says it to Chun Li. Probably the best line in the entire movie.
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Lord Poe wrote:"To you, it was one of the most memorable days of your life. To me, it was a Tuesday..."

Wasn't that quote from "Battle Beyond the Stars"?
That quote was from the live-action Street Fighter movie. It was General Bison taunting Chun Li.

"For you, the day Bison graced your village was the most important day of your life. For me, it was a Tuesday."
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Ghost Rider wrote:Sadly, it's from Street Fighter: The Movie.

Raul Julia as Bison says it to Chun Li. Probably the best line in the entire movie.
Wow...I can't even remember ever seeing that movie!
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Lord Poe wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:Sadly, it's from Street Fighter: The Movie.

Raul Julia as Bison says it to Chun Li. Probably the best line in the entire movie.
Wow...I can't even remember ever seeing that movie!
Clearly, you blocked the traumatic experience out of your mind, except for that line.
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What about a page for common Trektard fallacies about EU sources? For example, most of the SFJtards have never read an EU book, but quote the little snippets that Darkstar has collected on his page (that he's never read either) - or the ones that are quoted here - and spin bullshit about them with no context.

For example, Tyrant's Test - Luke makes an off-hand comment about how little energy it'll take to do a task, because initially he thought it'd take six Star Destroyers hanging around for a month.

Here's the only thing Trektards quote:-
"I'm still surprised at how small an energy input it's supposed to take," Luke said. "I thought at first we'd have to bring in half a dozen Star Destroyers and keep them here a month."
And they characterize the relevant task as being simply "warming the atmosphere."

Here's the full context:-
Exactly what I said. We were all wrong. This ship [the vagabond] isn't a museum, or a temple full of treasure, or a lifeboat--or a monument, either. It's a tool kit, Doctor--a tool kit for rebuilding a destroyed world."

Turning, Luke grabbed both of Eckels's hands in a fervent grip. Joy and wonder together animated his smile. "They had time to do more than prepare this ship, Doctor--they had time to prepare themselves.

That planet is not dead--there are millions of Qella buried in the ground, awaiting the thaw. And we can give them that."

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"I'm still surprised at how small an energy input it's supposed to take," Luke said. "I thought at first we'd have to bring in half a dozen Star Destroyers and keep them here a month."

"Small inputs, and time," said Eckels. "This planet teetered on the edge--it would probably have recovered on its own, as the Qella must have expected it would, but for the orbital wobble caused by the loss of the second moon."

"Look," said Lando. "It's starting."

The hull of the vagabond had begun to glow, crawling blue snakes of energy snapping along its length as the capacitance charge built up to a cascade. Then triple beams of energy stabbed downward from each end of the ship, creating ionized tunnels through the atmosphere in which precious chemicals began to be renewed. The beams converged at the surface of the half- frozen ocean below, creating massive explosions of steam, with towering, scalding plumes rising amidst the ice floes.

"Pretty good light show," Lando said lightly.

"Kind of a shame there's only the six of us to see it."

"Quite the contrary, General Calrissian," said Eck-els.

"That soup will have to simmer a long time, and it would be best for the Qella if it did so undisturbed."
Anyone who reads that whole quote and comes away with the impression that Luke was thinking about an ISD's ability to slag a world - as opposed to managing the extremely delicate job of thawing millions of living beings all over a planet without killing them, is a fucking moron - though I'd love to see them argue that pumping multi-gigaton blasts into the planet would be perfectly conducive to the task at hand :roll:

Of course, this is just one in their sad little line of "contradict a high example with a low example" methodology, where they assume that their sources are the standards by which other sources should be judged- but it's amusing that they confidently quote books they've never read, with no idea of what the context even is.
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Ah, I remember that passage. I've got calcs based on it somewhere, I'll have to dig them out or do them over again. What I love about their evident misrepresenstation is they forget a numbe of things:

1 - They're not "heating the atmosphere" by itself, they're actually thawing out the entire planet. Heating the atmosphere could be part of it (inefficiencies if nothing else - naturally they ignore the massive inefficiencies involved) but most of the energy input involved is in melting/vaporizing the ice covering the planet - Ice that is hundreds if not thousands of meters thick (I remember a stated thickness of about a kilometer) *

Considering that its a habitable planet, ,and we know that Earth's mass carries quite a bit of water (1.4e21 kg) this comes as no bloody surprise.

2 - In addition to thawing out the planet, they're needed to do so in such a way that they do not kill off the inhabitants or destroy the ecosystem.. This isn't a mass-extinction event, so much greater care and patience is needed to achieve the needed results - dumping too much energy into a planet over too s hort a period of time will have lethal consequencees (The Earth in its past has suffered "sterilization" events that boiled/vaporized the oceans and killed off all life.)

That's probably why it took a month - the outputs needed to be very controlled in order to avoid destructive effects.

3 - Carrying out this event is going to carry alot of wear and tear over a month - there may be need for refuelling, repairs, restocking of supplies, crew rotations, maintenance on equipment, and so on and so forth. This is going to cut into the "Actual" time spent firing to an unknown degree, but it's still there. Its also probably why they used half a dozen star destrroyers - they can act in shifts, giving some ships needed "down time" for repairs and recovery and whatnot.

4 - these are not full sized Imperial warships, these are the tinier (and less powerful) NR "New Class" ships, like the Republic class Star Destroyers
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I'm thinking of adding something to the Sith page, but it all depends; are video-games official?
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Zablorg wrote:I'm thinking of adding something to the Sith page, but it all depends; are video-games official?
The stories are, but the game mechanics arent. I think.
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Zablorg wrote:I'm thinking of adding something to the Sith page, but it all depends; are video-games official?
To some extent. The "light side" outcome of "Knights of the Old Republic" is official, for instance.
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Vympel wrote:Anyone who reads that whole quote and comes away with the impression that Luke was thinking about an ISD's ability to slag a world - as opposed to managing the extremely delicate job of thawing millions of living beings all over a planet without killing them, is a fucking moron - though I'd love to see them argue that pumping multi-gigaton blasts into the planet would be perfectly conducive to the task at hand :roll:
Judging by the quality of arguments they make on other subjects, I wouldn't be surprised if they honestly don't see what the problem is. It's like thinking that you could use THEL to cook a turkey in 1 second and have it be edible afterwards.
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I was thinking of adding some stuff to the Size of the SW galaxy page, and saw this on Wookiee.
Wookieepedia wrote:The Galactic Empire's territory at its peak consisted of over one million member worlds and fifty million colonies, protectorates, and governorships throughout the galaxy stretching from the borders of the Deep Core to Wild Space.
but the article has no source, so does anyone know where this is from?
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Would it be appropriate to add FUQ-esque flamewarrior types to the pages of trolls?
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Updated RAR! entry.
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Can someone expand on The Great Patriotic War? I want to know what happen to the board.

Seriously...the culture and member section is so much more interesting and funny compared to the SW and ST section.
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The entry for defensive infantry tactics in Trek is pretty accurate. It's blank. :lol:

Kinda like Truly Tasteless Jokes, the old jokebook with a page devoted to jokes for the blind. It was blank, too.
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Illuminatus Primus wrote:SW Roleplaying Game, First Edition.
Is it canon though?
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