More Trektardism

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » 2007-12-13 07:24pm

At this point I don't even see the need to put any serious effort into this. Their shit basically borders on self-parody and the only reason to argue with them is to see what new delusion they'll come up with for pure amusement.

TC Pilot · Post by **TC Pilot** » 2007-12-13 11:26pm

Personally, I feel highly offended JMSpock would even dare to attempt to mention Gödel's incompleteness theorem, let alone compare it to his own work.

Coiler · Post by **Coiler** » 2007-12-16 11:33am

Looking back at some of BHMM's old posts, he and JMSpock have a similar style: Saying "Because I say so, therefore it is" except taking a long time to say it, as well as talking in a pseudo-academic tone.

Does anyone think they may be the same person?

EnterpriseSovereign · Post by **EnterpriseSovereign** » 2007-12-16 12:31pm

Well, if ST.com closes, as it now seems probable, all the smacking down that Spock and Phoenix received will be lost

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » 2007-12-16 01:14pm

EnterpriseSovereign wrote:Well, if ST.com closes, as it now seems probable, all the smacking down that Spock and Phoenix received will be lost

Can you still access the forums? If so, save as much of the trektard stuff as you can.

EnterpriseSovereign · Post by **EnterpriseSovereign** » 2007-12-16 01:17pm

Cpl Kendall wrote:
EnterpriseSovereign wrote:Well, if ST.com closes, as it now seems probable, all the smacking down that Spock and Phoenix received will be lost
Can you still access the forums? If so, save as much of the trektard stuff as you can.

Yeah, I can, the thread is something like 210 pages long, the other Trektard one has sunk without trace

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » 2007-12-16 01:21pm

EnterpriseSovereign wrote: Yeah, I can, the thread is something like 210 pages long, the other Trektard one has sunk without trace

In that case, just save the parts that really show how delusional they are. Like the post where JMSpock shows he doesn't know how diesel works.

Aratech · Post by **Aratech** » 2007-12-16 01:43pm

Is it still there? I've had some problems such as hard drive crashes and other higher priority stuff. It's taken me a long time to finally get around to reading through Spock's B.S. again.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » 2007-12-16 01:53pm

Aratech wrote:Is it still there? I've had some problems such as hard drive crashes and other higher priority stuff. It's taken me a long time to finally get around to reading through Spock's B.S. again.

The thread? Yes it's still there, though the board seems to be really slow.

Alien-Carrot · Post by **Alien-Carrot** » 2007-12-16 04:57pm

The thread? Yes it's still there, though the board seems to be really slow.

Slow, like Star Trek ships as compared to most other sci-fi's.

Slow, like bat'leth katas.

Slow, like JMSpock.

Coiler · Post by **Coiler** » 2007-12-17 10:21am

Cpl Kendall wrote:
Aratech wrote:Is it still there? I've had some problems such as hard drive crashes and other higher priority stuff. It's taken me a long time to finally get around to reading through Spock's B.S. again.
The thread? Yes it's still there, though the board seems to be really slow.

Not for me it isn't. I'm not having any problems with it at the moment.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » 2007-12-17 11:42am

Try this, looks like the one.

[R_H] · Post by **[R_H]** » 2007-12-17 11:49am

Next the warises will claim that mass murders made ST.

There is nothing in the Movies to prove with absoulute certainity that there are planetary shields. After all not very many, really agree that there is without a doubt, a planetary shield at alderaan. All there is that can be trusted, is the fact that SW has shields that can cover bases.

Two: ability does not always mean can. Read the wording. example: The DS has the ability to destroy planets.
What it means: the DS can destroy a planet but it does not have the brute force to do so all the time. (it is possible that the DS does not have the brute force to do so at any time.)

Three: why won't you read all that wonderful stuff at the official SW site that I gave you the link too? Is it because it proves you wrong?

Eh...what the hell is this moron babbling (SSFPhoenix)? "Ability does not always mean can." that's fucking hilarious. Apperantly the DS having the ability to destroy planets does not mean it can do so consistently...or at all, but it still has the ability (yay for circular reasoning).

This is just pitiful.[/b]

Darkevilme · Post by **Darkevilme** » 2007-12-17 12:03pm

Where is this babbling occuring now? cant find it on the boards.startrek.com link. Mainly cause i have an overwhelming urge to go over there and yell 'we see it blow up a planet in the first movie!'

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2007-12-17 12:04pm

[R_H] wrote:
Next the warises will claim that mass murders made ST.

There is nothing in the Movies to prove with absoulute certainity that there are planetary shields. After all not very many, really agree that there is without a doubt, a planetary shield at alderaan. All there is that can be trusted, is the fact that SW has shields that can cover bases.

Two: ability does not always mean can. Read the wording. example: The DS has the ability to destroy planets.
What it means: the DS can destroy a planet but it does not have the brute force to do so all the time. (it is possible that the DS does not have the brute force to do so at any time.)

Three: why won't you read all that wonderful stuff at the official SW site that I gave you the link too? Is it because it proves you wrong?
Eh...what the hell is this moron babbling (SSFPhoenix)? "Ability does not always mean can." that's fucking hilarious. Apperantly the DS having the ability to destroy planets does not mean it can do so consistently...or at all, but it still has the ability (yay for circular reasoning).

This is just pitiful.[/b]

Trektards, like most debate retards, lack the understanding of how to debate and believe TV debating is how written debate works. His two major flaws are easy to spot but the second point I will make is what shows how utterly insipid this idiot's claims are.

1. Alderaan demonstrates a planetary shield(They are various people here who has both an animated gif AND screenshot of this).

2. This SSFP has no idea how evidence works. You've shown him, now it is up to him to demonstrate how your piece was incorrect due to some alternative mitigating circumstances. Especially since he makes the claim of "Brute Force". He now has to prove there's something helping the DS or demonstrate otherwise that the DS cannot destroy a planet...something most rabid retards of all sorts lack.

Lonestar · Post by **Lonestar** » 2007-12-17 01:31pm

I intially thought that maybe he was confusing "Can" with "the WILL to..", but re-reading it I may have granted him too much credit.

Some of this is really bizarre. Like, there are kids in Middle school on this forum that see that these comments are outright insane, but others on the forum in question don't.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2007-12-17 01:48pm

Lonestar wrote:I intially thought that maybe he was confusing "Can" with "the WILL to..", but re-reading it I may have granted him too much credit.

Some of this is really bizarre. Like, there are kids in Middle school on this forum that see that these comments are outright insane, but others on the forum in question don't.

I said this a long time ago about Darkstar; his arguments are downright hilarious if someone makes the mistake of expressing them in plain English. They require vast amounts of obfuscation and rhetorical chicanery in order to look even remotely reasonable, in large part because the sheer quantity of verbiage dulls the reader's senses.

The problem with these kiddies is that they don't have his single-minded dedication, so they just get lazy and spout their ideas plainly, thus making their idiocy clear for all to see. That's probably why TJHairball tends to avoid stating his theories in plain English, and prefers to make vague allusions to his imagined superiority.

Zablorg · Post by **Zablorg** » 2007-12-23 10:35pm

Has the never-ending stalemate of Q's powers come up yet?

Coiler · Post by **Coiler** » 2007-12-23 11:17pm

Zablorg wrote:Has the never-ending stalemate of Q's powers come up yet?

No, not that I know of.

[R_H] · Post by **[R_H]** » 2007-12-25 10:31am

Has anyone seen the trektardism in the "The Devil to Pay" fanfic thread on SB? page 15

Amongst all the Trek BS, the was the gem

Yes, Bashir was "slow" a kid, and yes, his parents did go for a superbaby.
And yes, genetic uprating like that is illegal in the Federation, and yes, it does preclude from Starfleet service. Chief reasons being the Eugenic Wars, Khan's merry bunch, or the sociopatic augments in one of DS9 episodes - while genetic tinkering does solve problems, it also brings a very high chance of creating psychos like Khan & co.

Eh

? Sounds like a bunch of fundie BS. Why does genetic engineering = evil in Trek, just because of Khan?

montypython · Post by **montypython** » 2007-12-25 03:04pm

[R_H] wrote:Has anyone seen the trektardism in the "The Devil to Pay" fanfic thread on SB? page 15

Amongst all the Trek BS, the was the gem

Yes, Bashir was "slow" a kid, and yes, his parents did go for a superbaby.
And yes, genetic uprating like that is illegal in the Federation, and yes, it does preclude from Starfleet service. Chief reasons being the Eugenic Wars, Khan's merry bunch, or the sociopatic augments in one of DS9 episodes - while genetic tinkering does solve problems, it also brings a very high chance of creating psychos like Khan & co.
Eh ? Sounds like a bunch of fundie BS. Why does genetic engineering = evil in Trek, just because of Khan?

I argued this point on the 'A Thin Veneer' thread, Ed Becerra's made the observation that it isn't just the improved skills and abilities that make someone like Khan, but the increased aggressiveness to use those improved skills that makes it so. This was after I made the point about improved abilities do not automatically relate to usage, positive or negative.

lord Martiya · Post by **lord Martiya** » 2007-12-25 05:08pm

It's also a radicate prejudice, feeded by some bad quality work with extreme intelligence and some personality disorder (like Jack and the other DS9 Augments: a paranoid, a man with the personality of an infant, a non-speaking girl and a nymphomaniac. Three of them had the biggest ego of ST history from the times of Khan (if I remember well, Jack said that they are similar to gods) and tried to send vital intelligence to the Dominion, and then evaded from their asylum, kidnapped the fourth, flyed to DS9 and breached the so-called Security with a ridicolous easy).

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2007-12-25 08:09pm

This logic was carried over from the TOS episode "Space Seed", where Spock used this exact same reasoning. It's bullshit of course; modern evidence shows that ambition is more closely correlated with class than intelligence.

But they keep using it because it's nothing more than a flimsy cover story for the real reasoning, which is "don't play God". But they can't say that, because it's too obviously religious, so they use this bullshit pseudo-reasoning instead.

Flagg · Post by **Flagg** » 2007-12-25 09:01pm

I always hated that. It would have been so much better if a side effect of the genetic engineering was that they were sociopaths.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2007-12-26 12:21am

Flagg wrote:I always hated that. It would have been so much better if a side effect of the genetic engineering was that they were sociopaths.

No, it would have been better if they learned that the Federation had actually done extensive research on GE despite their ban, and discovered that super-intelligent people are actually less ambitious and more lazy (this actually tends to be true in real-life), and so society only needs or wants a very small number of them at any given time, with special attention paid to their upbringing and education. Ergo, the Federation cooked up a big lie about the evils of GE in order to discourage the general population from using the technology.

Yes, I know, it is reminiscent of Brave New World, but it's not exactly the same thing.