More Trektardism

[Darth Ruinus]

Not to demean the guys who had those long ass missions in those old planes in WWII, but, the pilots in WWII had to contend with:

"you know, this is another bombing raid, theyll be others and probably more important ones too, anti air fire and fighters planes up ahead"

whereas the Rebels were thinking

"Shit, this is it! This is the mission of the war. We are outnumbered by ONE fucking sector group, we're about to go right into the fucking doorstep of the biggest nastiest spacestation in the history of our galaxy, its defenses alone could fight off entire fleets, were risking all this on a group of small commandoes who are also outnumbered, they might not make it either. There is no second chance on this one.

Oh, and Im in a little snubfighter. Great"

JMSpock thinks that 6 to 12 hours with that nice little thought isnt going to affect anyone.

[Zablorg]

Actually, he says that they wern't flying for 12 hours at all, but rather, there were droids flying the ships instead.

I didn't see any, although I haven't seen the movie recent enough to remember such details. Were there any droids flying the ships?

[Darth Ruinus]

Actually, he says that they wern't flying for 12 hours at all, but rather, there were droids flying the ships instead.

I didn't see any, although I haven't seen the movie recent enough to remember such details. Were there any droids flying the ships?

Even worse, the guys were awake to think about what they were about to get themselves into.

Besides, still the same thing, you are still cramped in that little space for a long ass time.

[Darth Wong]

Who the fuck cares whether the pilots could withstand that kind of long-term cramped condition without suffering an edema or something? This numb-nuts theory requires that it took 12 fucking hours for Han Solo and Leia to be escorted out of the building.

[Lord Poe]

Who the fuck cares whether the pilots could withstand that kind of long-term cramped condition without suffering an edema or something? This numb-nuts theory requires that it took 12 fucking hours for Han Solo and Leia to be escorted out of the building.

And Luke standing in front of the Emperor without a pee break!

[skies]

Who the fuck cares whether the pilots could withstand that kind of long-term cramped condition without suffering an edema or something? This numb-nuts theory requires that it took 12 fucking hours for Han Solo and Leia to be escorted out of the building.

And Luke standing in front of the Emperor without a pee break!

And the emperor letting Luke go for rest breaks!!!

[SirNitram]

"Your weak bladder is your weakness...."

"Your faith in your adult diapers is yours!"

[Knife]

Who the fuck cares whether the pilots could withstand that kind of long-term cramped condition without suffering an edema or something? This numb-nuts theory requires that it took 12 fucking hours for Han Solo and Leia to be escorted out of the building.

And Luke standing in front of the Emperor without a pee break!

Well, I guess that explains why Luke finally went for his lightsaber. When you gotta go, you gotta go. Though you'd think that after Palpy shocked his ass with Sith lightning, there'd be a puddle under Luke.

[Peptuck]

"Your weak bladder is your weakness...."

"Your faith in your adult diapers is yours!"

I am laughing waaaaaaaay too hard right now.

[chitoryu12]

Actually, he says that they wern't flying for 12 hours at all, but rather, there were droids flying the ships instead.

I didn't see any, although I haven't seen the movie recent enough to remember such details. Were there any droids flying the ships?

It is, of course, possible that a pilot would just put his ship on autopilot to get a little rest. He's still sitting in there for half a day, barely able to move for comfort.

[Teleros]

Whether or not droids were flying the fighters is besides the point: it still leaves all those pilots stuck in their cramped cockpits. Or is he now trying to say the droids flew unmanned fighters for 11.5hrs, and the pilots jumped aboard for the last half-hour trip to the Death Star itself ?

[Lord Poe]

Posted:

Immediate cut to troops entering the bunker. It's afternoon outside, meaning the Rebels spent several hours sneaking through the shield generator complex before triggering the alarm.

Given that the bunker they entered is probably several kilometers from the actual generator (on the "other side of the ridge" from it, in fact), that's perfectly plausible.

The sheer stupidity of this stance is astounding. This also assumes the Imperials entered that same bunker "several kilometers away", trotted to Han and Leia in less than a minute instead of "several hours", then took them on a march "several kilometers" back outside the bunker.

Amazing what lengths SFJ idiots go to.

[skies]

Whether or not droids were flying the fighters is besides the point: it still leaves all those pilots stuck in their cramped cockpits. Or is he now trying to say the droids flew unmanned fighters for 11.5hrs, and the pilots jumped aboard for the last half-hour trip to the Death Star itself ?

Then why not just stay in the cap ship hangers and jump to just out of max sensor range to Endor. Then you just scramble all the fighters and make a micro jump to Endor. After all, that's the point of carriers, they CARRY the fighters so that the pilots get rest and don't waste fuel. You on;ly launch foghters just before combat operations or for patrol duty.

Also, the 12 hours to reach the clearing has two problems. First, it assumes that the Imperials never put in any sort of mass transit system, or even golf carts. Second, it assumes that the captured rebels that we saw outside the secret entrance were standing there for 12 hours. Why would the Imps bother? The would have sent them off to for detention, or just killed them and dump the bodies. For that matter, why bother taking Han et al. to the clearing if it's going to take 12 hours? You could argue that the emperer waited until the fleet ambush to make turning Luke to the dark side easier, but leaving the captured rebels on endor standing for 12 hours makes no sense.

[consequences]

Posted:

Immediate cut to troops entering the bunker. It's afternoon outside, meaning the Rebels spent several hours sneaking through the shield generator complex before triggering the alarm.

Given that the bunker they entered is probably several kilometers from the actual generator (on the "other side of the ridge" from it, in fact), that's perfectly plausible.

The sheer stupidity of this stance is astounding. This also assumes the Imperials entered that same bunker "several kilometers away", trotted to Han and Leia in less than a minute instead of "several hours", then took them on a march "several kilometers" back outside the bunker.

Amazing what lengths SFJ idiots go to.

Don't forget the need to run several kilometers during the ongoing space battle to set the charges, and then back the same distance to escape the explosion. Apparently Luke hid in the all-concealing shadows of the throne room for quite some time.

[Lord Poe]

Don't forget the need to run several kilometers during the ongoing space battle to set the charges, and then back the same distance to escape the explosion. Apparently Luke hid in the all-concealing shadows of the throne room for quite some time.

They should have sent in a scanning crew! I wonder if Palpatine took a nap while Vader was searching.

Oh, this whole thing SCREAMS "new parody movie"....

[chitoryu12]

Posted:

Immediate cut to troops entering the bunker. It's afternoon outside, meaning the Rebels spent several hours sneaking through the shield generator complex before triggering the alarm.

Given that the bunker they entered is probably several kilometers from the actual generator (on the "other side of the ridge" from it, in fact), that's perfectly plausible.

The sheer stupidity of this stance is astounding. This also assumes the Imperials entered that same bunker "several kilometers away", trotted to Han and Leia in less than a minute instead of "several hours", then took them on a march "several kilometers" back outside the bunker.

Amazing what lengths SFJ idiots go to.

Ya know, it really says something about your intelligence when you honestly say that a commando team spent hours searching through one underground bunker complex without getting caught. Did the Imperial soldiers get lost? Moreover, Rogue Squadron III shows a general layout for the bunker. It takes only a minute or two, combat included, for Han to reach the generator and plant the last charge.

[skies]

Posted:

The sheer stupidity of this stance is astounding. This also assumes the Imperials entered that same bunker "several kilometers away", trotted to Han and Leia in less than a minute instead of "several hours", then took them on a march "several kilometers" back outside the bunker.

Amazing what lengths SFJ idiots go to.

Ya know, it really says something about your intelligence when you honestly say that a commando team spent hours searching through one underground bunker complex without getting caught. Did the Imperial soldiers get lost? Moreover, Rogue Squadron III shows a general layout for the bunker. It takes only a minute or two, combat included, for Han to reach the generator and plant the last charge.

And how big can a command bunker be? As I recall, bunkers are meant to be small, and command areas are meant to be small as well. It doesn't matter how big the shield generator and its power plant are; they were specifically going to the command bunker.

[Darth Wong]

Just remember the Darkstar credo: it's not about the most reasonable interpretation of the scene; it's about what interpretation you can try to get away with. His entire argument repertoire is filled with shit like this, where he takes the conclusion that any normal person would draw from any given scene, throws it away, concocts something completely different, and then tries to rationalize it by looking for loopholes he can squeeze it through.

[Coiler]

Just remember the Darkstar credo: it's not about the most reasonable interpretation of the scene; it's about what interpretation you can try to get away with. His entire argument repertoire is filled with shit like this, where he takes the conclusion that any normal person would draw from any given scene, throws it away, concocts something completely different, and then tries to rationalize it by looking for loopholes he can squeeze it through.

Why would anyone do this? Why would anyone look at a scene that shows no evidence of kilometer-long tunnel corridors and assume "Kilometer-long tunnel corridors"? It's one thing to claim that all the ISDs vaporized were bits of ice, it's quite another to claim something that obviously doesn't exist.

Has JMSpock even seen the movies?

[Junghalli]

Why would anyone do this? Why would anyone look at a scene that shows no evidence of kilometer-long tunnel corridors and assume "Kilometer-long tunnel corridors"?

Because, as Darth Wong pointed out earlier, for some people getting to the truth isn't important in an argument. What's important is that they have VICTORY!!!

[Dark Hellion]

Simply put, for them, to be wrong is to be bad. You cannot be bad, so you have to be right. This is the first piece of the puzzle.

Number two, if you like something, then it is good. Good things are better than bad things, period.

Number 3, things that you don't like are bad. Bad things are worse than good things.

Therefore, they like Star Trek more than Star Wars, thus ST must be superior in all senses of the word, because if it isn't then they are wrong that ST is good and SW is bad.

This is the mindset of the fundamentalist. There is no differentiation between factuality and ethicality. To be wrong is to be immoral. Their conclusions cannot be wrong, because to be so would mean that they are unethical (bad, as the idea of ethics is too hard to do in this black and white system.) They need everything as a black and white, because if you add grey, they have to change their whole mindset and address the posibility that they can make mistakes and yet not have this be a bad thing.

Its the mindset that drives the kid who argues with his professor every class period because the idea that you have an opinion that is factual erroneous is the same as saying that you are a bad person to them. The idea that you simply don't understand something as well as someone else is ludicrous to them. If they don't it is only because someone dressed it in jargon or rhetoric. The irony being that in order to win, they often must resort to this exact tactic.

Its the result of coddled individuals who cannot admit the fact that they are not made perfect by GOD, that they have flaws, and there are things they will not be able to do.

[skies]

Just remember the Darkstar credo: it's not about the most reasonable interpretation of the scene; it's about what interpretation you can try to get away with. His entire argument repertoire is filled with shit like this, where he takes the conclusion that any normal person would draw from any given scene, throws it away, concocts something completely different, and then tries to rationalize it by looking for loopholes he can squeeze it through.

Why would anyone do this? Why would anyone look at a scene that shows no evidence of kilometer-long tunnel corridors and assume "Kilometer-long tunnel corridors"? It's one thing to claim that all the ISDs vaporized were bits of ice, it's quite another to claim something that obviously doesn't exist.

Has JMSpock even seen the movies?

Because they don't use proper investigative techniques. An honest researcher starts with basic, reasonable assumptions and works forward to derive reasonable hypotheses, which are then tested by looking for supporting evidence to form a conclusion. As an example, we assume that the whole Endor battle scene happened in approximately real time, and work forward from there to assume that a hyperspace jump takes very little time, as supported by the fact that Luke was taken to the emperor in the same amount of time, and other such evidence.

What JMSpock does, however, is decide on the conclusion ahead of time, and then cherry-pick evidence that supports his case, no mater how convoluted the logic to support his pre-decided conclusion is. Think about it, he must have been frantic about the fact that the speed of hyperdrive is shown to be faster than warp speed. He HAS to prove the opposite, and tests more and more outlandish pieces of 'evidence' until he as a revelation! He notices the shadows on Endor indicate different times of day! He's found his proof! Even though the weight of evidence from the movies goes against his conclusion, he goes with what was probably just a continuity error in filming. I doubt Lucas cared about anything more about the lighting than that it was good for filming, and the shadows were not a concern. After all, continuity errors pop up all the time in movies because the director can't think of every variable.

This also accounts for Darkstar's and RSA's bizarre statements, like the Star Wars galaxy in a mini-galaxy, and those asteroids being blown up in ESB have the consistency of talc.

[Darth Servo]

Don't forget the need to run several kilometers during the ongoing space battle to set the charges, and then back the same distance to escape the explosion. Apparently Luke hid in the all-concealing shadows of the throne room for quite some time.

They should have sent in a scanning crew! I wonder if Palpatine took a nap while Vader was searching.

Oh, this whole thing SCREAMS "new parody movie"....

So damn it, what are you waiting for? Thanksgiving tomorrow? You don't need that. Get to work on that movie!!!

j/k

[Typhonis 1]

Here is a monkey wrench for his observations. Do we see, from orbit, where the bunker is located?

[Mange]

Oh, this whole thing SCREAMS "new parody movie"....

YES!