Deathstalker wrote:On a seperate note, is it common knowledge in the fleet that there may be Cylons hiding among the population? Would people be so quick to settle on a planet, even one that may be hidden from detection, if there is a Cylon spy in the fleet to blab the location?
Watch the first season. In 106 "Litmus" the president and gang reveal that Cylons look like humans, and that they may be hiding in the fleet. Thanks to Baltar, we know that there are 8 left in the fleet, but the rest of the populace doesn't know that.
Upon re-watching the episode, I noticed the debate moderator says something as Roslin enters the room.
moderator wrote:Dr. Baltar, of course, has long been admired as one of the most brilliant scientific minds of his generation, and played a critical role in saving the human race from the Cylon threat
I suppose he's talking about him finding the back-door used in the mini, but I just about died laughing.
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Vympel wrote:Not only does Kobol exist, the Arrow of Apollo worked when they used it, teleporting them by some mysterious means (probably a collective vision of some kind, rather than actual teleportation, for obvious reasons) to Earth. There's zero reasonable doubt that Earth is out there. And if there is, why not the Thirteenth Colony, with it's fleets of non-networked Battlestars?
Just thought I'd throw in that last bit ...
Uhh, I'd be more inclined to think Laura Roslin was high again, than that she walked the surface of Earth. Reasonable doubt for the viewer is not the same as reasonable doubt for someone in the Galactica's civilian fleet, who are being asked to take improbably occurances on faith.
Vympel wrote:Not only does Kobol exist, the Arrow of Apollo worked when they used it, teleporting them by some mysterious means (probably a collective vision of some kind, rather than actual teleportation, for obvious reasons) to Earth. There's zero reasonable doubt that Earth is out there. And if there is, why not the Thirteenth Colony, with it's fleets of non-networked Battlestars?
Just thought I'd throw in that last bit ...
Uhh, I'd be more inclined to think Laura Roslin was high again, than that she walked the surface of Earth. Reasonable doubt for the viewer is not the same as reasonable doubt for someone in the Galactica's civilian fleet, who are being asked to take improbably occurances on faith.
Vympel wrote:Not only does Kobol exist, the Arrow of Apollo worked when they used it, teleporting them by some mysterious means (probably a collective vision of some kind, rather than actual teleportation, for obvious reasons) to Earth. There's zero reasonable doubt that Earth is out there. And if there is, why not the Thirteenth Colony, with it's fleets of non-networked Battlestars?
Just thought I'd throw in that last bit ...
Because it's 1980s Earth! Oh NOS!
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InnocentBystander wrote:Gaeta is a cylon, or perhaps Dee! Definatly.
Everyone thinks everyone is a Cylon. That's the problem, they really dont' need actual Cylons to keep the plot moving. A paranoia like that will keep them going for quite a while.
Cally is a cylon!
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InnocentBystander wrote:Gaeta is a cylon, or perhaps Dee! Definatly.
Everyone thinks everyone is a Cylon. That's the problem, they really dont' need actual Cylons to keep the plot moving. A paranoia like that will keep them going for quite a while.
Cally is a cylon!
Considering she is still alive after that smackdown, she has to be!
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If the tomb's projection has the point of view of someone on Earth, wouldn't that mean that they had to have come back to Kobol? It's too bad they couldn't search for records that may contain where exactly it is. Or maybe the Cylons know.
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Gil Hamilton wrote:Because it's 1980s Earth! Oh NOS!
And why not? Sure, they could arrive at some much more advanced Earth, and we could be treated to omega destroyers slicing up basestars, but it's just as likely they'll get there and Earth won't have anything more than shuttles to help them.
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Uraniun235 wrote:Admiral Adama is no fundamentalist.
No, he's a liar who manipulates people with religion.
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Uraniun235 wrote:Admiral Adama is no fundamentalist.
No, he's a liar who manipulates people with religion.
I seem to recall him being really rather reluctant to go along with the presidents religiously inspired plan atleast him having her arrested in order to try and stop her gave me that impression.
Plekhanov wrote:I seem to recall him being really rather reluctant to go along with the presidents religiously inspired plan atleast him having her arrested in order to try and stop her gave me that impression.
No, he came up with the Earth lie in the mini. Then he got pissy when Roslin actually wanted to try and find Earth, as opposed to just lying to everyone and saying 'I know where it is.' If there is anyone responsible for 'fundy crap' being taken seriously in the fleet, it's him.
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Earth may have started out as a morale-building lie, but the possibility of Earth has been reinfoced with actual evidence, as stated. It is one thing to be a secular Colonial and talk smack about the Arrow of Apollo when it is in a museum and say "It's all a bunch of nonsense" but when you find Kobol, once considered to be nonsense, and the Arrow actually works exactly as advertised (seen by many witnesses), then the posibility of Earth is a real thing gets reinforced.
So the possibilty of Earth existing no longer seems like such a long shot. It has gone from a 10% chance to now more of a 75% chance. There is still room for doubt, though-- will the 13th colony be willing and able to help? Are they even still around? Have the Cylons found them and wiped them out ahead of time?
And of course there may well be those that feel that the fleet should avoid Earth at all costs so as not to lead the Cylons there... after all, the leaders of the fleet (Adama, Roslin, Baltar, etc) know that the Cylons are religiously driven, and they'd already found and staked out Kobol...
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Most of whom have quite the interest in keeping the fleet thinking there's somewhere to go to, no?
And of course there may well be those that feel that the fleet should avoid Earth at all costs so as not to lead the Cylons there... after all, the leaders of the fleet (Adama, Roslin, Baltar, etc) know that the Cylons are religiously driven, and they'd already found and staked out Kobol...
That doesn't seem to have entered their considering yet. Though of course, you and I know that any Earth they do find might well be rather defenceless.
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AK_Jedi wrote:Watch the first season. In 106 "Litmus" the president and gang reveal that Cylons look like humans, and that they may be hiding in the fleet. Thanks to Baltar, we know that there are 8 left in the fleet, but the rest of the populace doesn't know that.
Yet there are those in the fleet who suspect there are Cylons in the fleet and some conducted a hostage situation to get their hands on a Cylon in military custody. If more than one person knows, it is not a secret. The Cylons on Caprica were able to watch the documentary shot by Xena, so there is nothing holding the Cylons in the fleet from getting the word out about the planet.
NecronLord wrote:And why not? Sure, they could arrive at some much more advanced Earth, and we could be treated to omega destroyers slicing up basestars, but it's just as likely they'll get there and Earth won't have anything more than shuttles to help them.
I was making a joke refering to the abysmal Battlestar Galactica 1980 TV series.
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Gil Hamilton wrote:I was making a joke refering to the abysmal Battlestar Galactica 1980 TV series.
I know. I've seen it. Time travel Nazi episode and all.
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I want to know when the fleet is going to start building some more Blackbirds. That fighter is to valuable to let slip away. It offers a significant advantage when it comes to making strikes on the enemy at range.
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AK_Jedi wrote:Watch the first season. In 106 "Litmus" the president and gang reveal that Cylons look like humans, and that they may be hiding in the fleet. Thanks to Baltar, we know that there are 8 left in the fleet, but the rest of the populace doesn't know that.
Yet there are those in the fleet who suspect there are Cylons in the fleet and some conducted a hostage situation to get their hands on a Cylon in military custody. If more than one person knows, it is not a secret. The Cylons on Caprica were able to watch the documentary shot by Xena, so there is nothing holding the Cylons in the fleet from getting the word out about the planet.
Yes, I was refering to the exact number of cylons left. Everybody knows there are cylons out there because the president gave them the evidence. They may have theories and suspicions, but besides Boomer, nobody knows exept Baltar.
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Well I must say, I found that opening to be awesome. And the music was simply amazing. If that score is not on the Season 2 soundtrack I will be royally pissed.
NecronLord wrote:Though of course, you and I know that any Earth they do find might well be rather defenceless.
That depends. How would F-302s, the Prometheus and Daedalus-class ships stand up against Basestars?
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RogueIce wrote:Well I must say, I found that opening to be awesome. And the music was simply amazing. If that score is not on the Season 2 soundtrack I will be royally pissed.
The way the suddenly inserted and incorporated Helo and Boomer's theme into the score when she walked into pilots' ready room was very well done. gave me the shivers. Never heard that iteration of the theme before.
RogueIce wrote:That depends. How would F-302s, the Prometheus and Daedalus-class ships stand up against Basestars?
They'd ream them! But that'd result in the makers being reamed by the fans. I suspect, though, that some kind of well-defended Earth would be in the last episode if the series ever gets warning ahead of time of being cancelled.
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RogueIce wrote:That depends. How would F-302s, the Prometheus and Daedalus-class ships stand up against Basestars?
The Vipers can't out-accelerate F302s, but their sheer numbers could potentialy take out an entire compliment of both the Prometheus and Daedalus. On the other hand, SG ships can run circles around a Battlestar and can spam an ungodly number of nuclear armed missiles that would crack a Battlestar in two. Worse are the beamed nukes.
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