Some small 40k v starwars questions.

[SirNitram]

I'm not sure what you mean by TOWMNBS, but I think I get your drift. Even if full EU wankery mode, 40K psykers are generally stronger than force users. That Palpatine and few others can be wanked into alpha plus league doesn't change that.

TOWNMNBS is Timothy Jones, a Star Trek wanker who started the ONLY MOVIES COUNT!!!! stupidity that this board saw in the form of Darkstar. It's annoying and stupid; the word from the creators is that the books count. Seeing someone whine 'Well they never show it in the movies..' in reply to a point is very, very stupid to watch, and thus I tend to insult those doing it.

[Imperial Overlord]

I understand your point, but the discrepency between the power levels we see on screen and the power levels of some of the EU stuff (written by people other than the creator of universe) does bother me. I tend to take the high end EU stuff with more than a few grains of salt when it is operating on a completely different power level than we see in the movies.

[SirNitram]

I understand your point, but the discrepency between the power levels we see on screen and the power levels of some of the EU stuff (written by people other than the creator of universe) does bother me. I tend to take the high end EU stuff with more than a few grains of salt when it is operating on a completely different power level than we see in the movies.

In other words, you don't like what the source concludes, because you can't grok how calling down a fleet-smashing energy storm into the middle of your fleet and battlestation would be bad. Shall we start using this to neuter the Alpha-levels down a bit? Or do you recignize that this is bullshit?

[Imperial Overlord]

No, I don't like that discrepency is depicted power levels. If Palpatine was that powerful, why didn't he fly up that damn shaft in ROTJ?

[SirNitram]

No, I don't like that discrepency is depicted power levels. If Palpatine was that powerful, why didn't he fly up that damn shaft in ROTJ?

So you have no argument. Thank you. It's so nice when the wanker admits this. Why don't you drop your whining over a perfectly legitimate point I made and let the thread return to it's original point now, hrm?

[Imperial Overlord]

My points don't go away because you don't like them. EU power levels aren't consistent with those depicted in the movies, which are higher level canon.

[SirNitram]

My points don't go away because you don't like them. EU power levels aren't consistent with those depicted in the movies, which are higher level canon.

There is no contradiction, you ignorant fucktard, and that is the only instance the movies allow you to wipe away the books. There is no direct contradiction. How can I say this with authority? At no point would Palpatine have acheived his goals by enacting a Force Storm or supernova'ing a star. A galaxy in perpetual war is his goldmine, so he wouldn't use it to wipe out the Rebels at Endor.

So basically you have nothing but 'WAAAAAAAAH! I'M A LITTLE BITCH! I WILL SCREAM THAT THEY MUST LISTEN WHEN I HAVE NO POINTS!!!!' and stamping your feet.

[Falkenhayn]

To be honest, the chaos gods are more of a threat than the IoM. As soon as the entire Sol system is destroyed, the IoM loses a) Emperor b) Mars c)most/all tech records. The Empire could just sit back and watch chaos eat all the humans.

Unless the Starchild Theory comes true. Then you have a very pissed off, exponentially more powerful GEoM (emphasis on the God) enlightening humanity to its vast psychic potential. Sensei and Illuminati are among the other unknowns in this equation, though none of add to the GE's chances.

Course, I can't really see the GE surviving chaos. Not those stupid drooling chaos marines, the gods. Jedi aren't going to do squat to them, and then we've got chaos Star Destroyers, chaos TIEs, etc. Which is actually kinda cool.

The whole back-and-forth over the Gellar Field comes in here, but it seems to me that the GE has no equivalent besides the mass distribution of ysalmiri amongst fleet assets and hoping for the best.

But frankly, a Demon Prince of Tzeentch is on the books as wasting a continent, albeit of indeterminate size and time duration, with his psychic skillage.

[Imperial Overlord]

At no point would Palpatine have acheived his goals by enacting a Force Storm or supernova'ing a star.

Even in the EU they need a Sith weapon to supernova a star. You seem to like glossing over this point. And mustering enough to power to float up the god damn shaft would have been rather useful. You seem to like not answering this one either. So why don't you stop masturbating to EU wank and admit there are difficulties with it?

[SirNitram]

At no point would Palpatine have acheived his goals by enacting a Force Storm or supernova'ing a star.

Even in the EU they need a Sith weapon to supernova a star. You seem to like glossing over this point. And mustering enough to power to float up the god damn shaft would have been rather useful. You seem to like not answering this one either. So why don't you stop masturbating to EU wank and admit there are difficulties with it?

I will admit there are 'difficulties' the exact second you admit your entire 'argument' is nothing but screeching like a fucking spoilt brat because you don't like the canon of SW.

I repeat.

The only time the canon policy says throw out any of the books is when there's a direct contradiction in the movies. At no point does Palpatine attempt a Force Storm and fail. At no point does he try to replicate the ancient Sith weaponry. So there's no direct contradiction.

In short, you lose. You will continue to snip out this simple contradiction to your pathetic excuse for 'points', continue to try and derail this thread, and frankly, continue to be a little trolling dipshit.

Someone split and HOS this tangent. It has no place in a simple Q&A over 40k, no matter how much Imperial Retard thinks his subjective desires should be reflected in the SW canon policy.

[Noble Ire]

At no point would Palpatine have acheived his goals by enacting a Force Storm or supernova'ing a star.

Even in the EU they need a Sith weapon to supernova a star. You seem to like glossing over this point. And mustering enough to power to float up the god damn shaft would have been rather useful. You seem to like not answering this one either. So why don't you stop masturbating to EU wank and admit there are difficulties with it?

I am going to assume that you havent seen RotS, because theres no other justification for an arguement this dense.

1) As seen by Order 66, even the most powerful of jedi (or Sith) can be caught of guard if lured into a high enough sense of security. Heck, if Yoda hadnt felt the other Jedi beginning to die, he problably would have taken a backfull of blaster blot from Gree and his leuitenants.

2) In the Senate duel, Palaptine displays abilities that one would think would easily equat to him being able to fly out of the shaft (IE picking up half a dozen senate pods and hurling them at Yoda, exerting seemingly little effort.

Thus, one would have to conclude that Palpatine was taken so off guard by the betrayal that he could muster up a force "parachute" in time. After all, he doesnt fall all the way down the shaft, he obviously explodes before then, perhaps impacting a power coupling. No Sith or Jedi has perfect reaction time, especially if taken off guard.

[18-Till-I-Die]

I always thought Palpatine didnt really care. He had a fuckton of clones waiting to be activated, why should he be affraid to die. I'm sure he wasnt happy about the situation, but i imagined more because his plans had been trashed and his apprentice had betrayed him not because he feared loosing his current form. I mean, he'd only come back in a stronger, younger clone what did he have to fear of dying, other than extreme anger from the pain of death that i also always figured was a given.

To quote Chucky:

"Go ahead kill me, i'll just come back, i always come back! But...dying is still such a bitch!"

I figure someone in Palpy's situation might feel teh same about it.

[Imperial Overlord]

I will certainly admit my desires do not trump canon policy and that I don't like a lot of the EU. As for that shaft, he fell along way and had a fair amount of time to react. But I will shut up and stop derailing the thread, which wasn't my intention but is clearly the result.

[Glimmervoid]

There was also indication in a White dwarf article that alpha plus psyches can mind control entire planets.

[Glimmervoid]

And one more thing strong chaos sorcerers can summon warp storms that can destroy fleets cut of planets etc.

[SirNitram]

And one more thing strong chaos sorcerers can summon warp storms that can destroy fleets cut of planets etc.

Both these events are on-par with Palpatine, I should note. He mind-controlled Coruscant to not notice an Executor-class landing and being built over, and Palpatine's Force Storms are already noted. But again, it's the difference between one of maybe a dozen in the SW timeline, vs. how many Alpha-levels?

[NecronLord]

why should he be affraid to die.

On at least on occasion, after his death, Palpatine went to a 'Dark Side Hell' where his spirit was tortured for years on end. This is supposedly where his spirit went after his final defeat too.

Seems like a good reason to fear death to me.

[18-Till-I-Die]

why should he be affraid to die.

On at least on occasion, after his death, Palpatine went to a 'Dark Side Hell' where his spirit was tortured for years on end. This is supposedly where his spirit went after his final defeat too.

Seems like a good reason to fear death to me.

Yes but i presume this was AFTER his original body died, right?

If thats so, he couldnt have known this would happen. Later, after that event, he knew about teh Dark Side Hell, but the first tiem around he most likely didnt and so wouldnt be affraid to die there.

[Connor MacLeod]

1) Would a power sword stop a lightsaber?

Depends on if a p ower sword is "shielded" (ie can it reflect blaster bolts) and what sortts of energy outputs/intensities it can handle. A lightsaber genreates at least hundreds of MW worth of energy concentrated on a very small area (as small as microscopic cuts, IIRC.)

From what I know of their tech I'd guess its quite possible (lasguns can be in the hundreds of MW range, so I imagine its possible.)

2) Could even yoda stand up to a strongish elder psychic.

Dunno. What can a "strongish" elder psychic do? And what do we mean "stand up" to? Telekinetic ability? telepathic/psychic stuff like mind control? Directed energy attacks?

3) How would the empire react on discovery of the IoM (would they approve how things were run etc.

Already a thread on IoM vs Empire I believe. 20 pages worth in fact.

4) How would the old republic react on discovery of the IoM (would they approve how things were run etc.

What era of the Republic? If we're talking Prequel-era before the cloen wars, there's not much of a standing army and a rather smallish navy (relative to the Empire.) Most of the power is concentrated around locally owned "Sector Fleets" with shorter hyperdrive jump ranges and private armies.

5) What would happen if a tyranid hive fleet entered in to the starwars galaxy like the vong did.

Depends on teh era. Old Repubic, Imperial, or New Republic era? And how large is a hive fleet (and how do they match up to the IoM in terms of numbers and quality?)

[Falkenhayn]

1) Would a power sword stop a lightsaber?

Depends on if a p ower sword is "shielded" (ie can it reflect blaster bolts) and what sortts of energy outputs/intensities it can handle. A lightsaber genreates at least hundreds of MW worth of energy concentrated on a very small area (as small as microscopic cuts, IIRC.)

From what I know of their tech I'd guess its quite possible (lasguns can be in the hundreds of MW range, so I imagine its possible.)

There are numerous instances in both Malleus and Hereticus of Lasbolt and bullet deflections with swords, which I can supply here, however they were performed with Quixo's Demonic Blade, and with Barbarisater, Eisenhorn's psi-sensitive sword of choice. They have no problem dealing with the armors they come across.

[Ender]

At no point would Palpatine have acheived his goals by enacting a Force Storm or supernova'ing a star.

Even in the EU they need a Sith weapon to supernova a star. You seem to like glossing over this point.

They used a sith weapon to focus the force to blow up 7 stars, and Naga Shadow used the force to create huge CMEs to take out republic forces pursuing him.

How about you quit trying to obscure what happened and claim the other party is at fault?

And mustering enough to power to float up the god damn shaft would have been rather useful.

So exactly what should he have pushed against for that equal opposite reaction bit here? Ok, thought so.

You seem to like not answering this one either. So why don't you stop masturbating to EU wank and admit there are difficulties with it?

Kid, do not start trying to claim that the other side is at fault when you are bullshitting. Let me make this very clear to you and 90% of the rest of this board: You guys have no real concept as to how to debate online scifi. None at all. You guys get all impressed by the Nitram vs Sinji bit, or old FUQs, or when the techies really tear into each other. But you only get impressed because you don't realize that that is the real norm. That's what debating was for Nirtam, Dalton, Mike, Connor, Alyeska, me, etc. We were around when there actually was much to debate on SB and/or ASVS. You popped up after the dust settled. So picking fights with the old guard who do is not in your best interests.

[Imperial Overlord]

The Sith weapon was used by a Sith apprentice to destroy stars. The weapon was on Naga Sadow's ship when he took out the Republic forces. Coincidence? I don't think so. It is certainly an impressive weapon, but it is the weapon that is doing the work. It doesn't follow that a Sith Lord can just blow up a star.

Good point about the fall.

[Ender]

The Sith weapon was used by a Sith apprentice to destroy stars. The weapon was on Naga Sadow's ship when he took out the Republic forces. Coincidence? I don't think so.

No, you don't think, period. It is explicetly stated Naga Shadow used the force for the CMEs, and we see force lightening/generic force effect arching around her fingers when she activated it. Its not until the sun crusher comes around we see a purely technical star buster.

[Imperial Overlord]

I never said it didn't use the force. I clearly doesn't require a mega powerful force user though.

[Ender]

I never said it didn't use the force. I clearly doesn't require a mega powerful force user though.

Since when do we have any kind of qualification on their abilities that would let you make the claim either way?