More on Terri Schiavo--UPDATE: Schiavo dead 31 Mar 05

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2005-03-31 05:02pm

Firefox wrote:
Nick Lancaster wrote:And it's only bigamy if he marries the second woman, isn't it? Otherwise, it'd be adultery.
The idiot was trying to claim common law marriage, since the two are living together.

There is no "common law" marriage in Florida. Marriage in Florida can only be entered into by stated intent, never by default.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2005-03-31 05:12pm

Wicked Pilot wrote:
Captain Cyran wrote:Politically speaking, this would be great for the Democrats, many people despised what was happening to Schiavo, and how the Republican party was acting.
Unfortunately the Democrats couldn't get their shit together if it came preassembled.

with bitterness. A truer observation I've not read.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2005-03-31 05:14pm

Even though Florida could not possibly go after Michael Schiavo for bigamy given the lack of common-law marriage in that state's laws, I fully expect Jebby and his Nazis to try to find something, anydamnthing, any pretext no matter how flimsy or ridiculous, to attempt a prosecution against him. Schiavo's legal troubles are only beginning, I should think.

Lord MJ · Post by **Lord MJ** » 2005-03-31 05:22pm

Patrick Degan wrote:Even though Florida could not possibly go after Michael Schiavo for bigamy given the lack of common-law marriage in that state's laws, I fully expect Jebby and his Nazis to try to find something, anydamnthing, any pretext no matter how flimsy or ridiculous, to attempt a prosecution against him. Schiavo's legal troubles are only beginning, I should think.

This reminds me to make some updates to the "Are Legal Loopholes Ethical" thread...

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2005-03-31 05:54pm

Patrick Degan wrote:Even though Florida could not possibly go after Michael Schiavo for bigamy given the lack of common-law marriage in that state's laws, I fully expect Jebby and his Nazis to try to find something, anydamnthing, any pretext no matter how flimsy or ridiculous, to attempt a prosecution against him. Schiavo's legal troubles are only beginning, I should think.

Isn't he from up north? Pen. or some such. I'd move back home and let Florida and Jebby try to extradite me. Put it up infront of a judge.

BlkbrryTheGreat · Post by **BlkbrryTheGreat** » 2005-03-31 06:18pm

When I saw this on MSN I couldn't help but think "That's right bitch- there is no God, your prayers mean nothing!"

Crossroads Inc. · Post by **Crossroads Inc.** » 2005-03-31 06:29pm

BlkbrryTheGreat wrote:When I saw this on MSN I couldn't help but think "That's right bitch- there is no God, your prayers mean nothing!"

Ouch man, thats a little harsh don't you think

I mean, not all Christians Are Asinine, Neo-Con, Fundimentalist Douche-Bags

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2005-03-31 06:34pm

Crossroads Inc. wrote:
BlkbrryTheGreat wrote:When I saw this on MSN I couldn't help but think "That's right bitch- there is no God, your prayers mean nothing!"
Ouch man, thats a little harsh don't you think
I mean, not all Christians Are Asinine, Neo-Con, Fundimentalist Douche-Bags

No, but all of the ones at those Save Schiavo "vigils" would have been fundie douchebags, and I assume that's where they took that picture.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2005-03-31 06:48pm

Politically speaking, this would be great for the Democrats, many people despised what was happening to Schiavo, and how the Republican party was acting.

Politically speaking, this was essentially a no-win situation for the Republicans. If they'd have acted, they'd have pleased the fundie Christian wing of the party, but they would have also pissed off the majority of the country, who supported Michael Schiavo. On the other hand, by doing nothing, they would have really pissed off the Christians. So what did they do? They took enough action to piss off the people who supported Michael Schiavo while not taking enough action to please their base. Smart moves!

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2005-03-31 06:51pm

Joe wrote:
Politically speaking, this would be great for the Democrats, many people despised what was happening to Schiavo, and how the Republican party was acting.
Politically speaking, this was essentially a no-win situation for the Republicans. If they'd have acted, they'd have pleased the fundie Christian wing of the party, but they would have also pissed off the majority of the country, who supported Michael Schiavo. On the other hand, by doing nothing, they would have really pissed off the Christians. So what did they do? They took enough action to piss off the people who supported Michael Schiavo while not taking enough action to please their base. Smart moves!

No-win my ass. They did it because of money and votes. Now people know that they "are on the side of life", and stand for "good Christian morality". Not like those evil Democrats!

Elfdart · Post by **Elfdart** » 2005-03-31 07:05pm

BlkbrryTheGreat wrote:

When I saw this on MSN I couldn't help but think "That's right bitch- there is no God, your prayers mean nothing!"

Kinda reminds me of how my kid sister and her friends used to heckle the fetus christers as they were being carted off to jail:

PRAY!

YOU NEED IT!

YOUR CAUSE HAS BEEN DEFEATED!

Pick · Post by **Pick** » 2005-03-31 07:42pm

I'm just glad we won this one, and that Mr. and the late Mrs. Shiavo can have their rest. It's well deserved.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2005-03-31 07:54pm

Pick wrote:I'm just glad we won this one, and that Mr. and the late Mrs. Shiavo can have their rest. It's well deserved.

I'm afraid you're being premature. The war has only just begun.

Macross · Post by **Macross** » 2005-03-31 08:05pm

Patrick Degan wrote:
Pick wrote:I'm just glad we won this one, and that Mr. and the late Mrs. Shiavo can have their rest. It's well deserved.
I'm afraid you're being premature. The war has only just begun.

Yup, let the wrongful death law-suits begin. Though I dont see how they could ever convict Michael Shiavo of anything, he did everything by the book.

Then of course, politicians are going to want to change the law to prevent something like this from happening again.

Jadeite · Post by **Jadeite** » 2005-03-31 08:06pm

BlkbrryTheGreat wrote:Too bad "she" couldn't hold out for one more day- it would added a nice touch of irony to the whole thing.

What happens in one day?

Jadeite · Post by **Jadeite** » 2005-03-31 08:06pm

Er, damn. April Fool's, I forgot. I feel like an idiot now.

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2005-03-31 08:08pm

Macross wrote:
Then of course, politicians are going to want to change the law to prevent something like this from happening again.

Half of it should never have happened in the first place. Everything from Congress' intervention onwards should have been shot down hard and permanently as soon as it reached the courts.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2005-03-31 08:15pm

Macross wrote:
Patrick Degan wrote:
Pick wrote:I'm just glad we won this one, and that Mr. and the late Mrs. Shiavo can have their rest. It's well deserved.
I'm afraid you're being premature. The war has only just begun.
Yup, let the wrongful death law-suits begin. Though I dont see how they could ever convict Michael Shiavo of anything, he did everything by the book.

Then of course, politicians are going to want to change the law to prevent something like this from happening again.

They will never risk it, not in a million years. T^he vast vast vast majority of americans were on Michaels side in this case. They were just tryin to mobilize their base and throw them a bone after the election. WHen it comes to law changes they will be spineless as usual.

Nick Lancaster · Post by **Nick Lancaster** » 2005-03-31 09:02pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote: They will never risk it, not in a million years. The vast vast vast majority of americans were on Michaels side in this case. They were just tryin to mobilize their base and throw them a bone after the election. WHen it comes to law changes they will be spineless as usual.

I'd take the 'emergency session' of Congress as an indicator of what will happen. The Republicans, led by the hypocritical Tom DeLay, will pander to the religious conservatives, insisting upon laws for 'a culture of life' ... while the Democrats bend over for another ass-whupping.

No one will point out that Christians are phoning in death threats against judges.

The Schindlers simply cannot admit their daughter died. It's no longer about Terri-as-a-person ... it's Terri-as-a-symbol. It's Terri-as-a-political-token.

Faith isn't supposed to be 'I can pray for miracles and God will give me stuff' ... it's to give you strength when things go wrong, when life seems unfair. You know, like Fr. Niemoller's prayer goes: '... the srength to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.'

Nick Lancaster · Post by **Nick Lancaster** » 2005-03-31 09:06pm

"... and we accept your untimely death as God's Will." -- Bobby Schindler.

Yeah, right. And when the autopsy supports the diagnosis of persistent vegetative state, will you accept that you and your family have been defying God's Will for fifteen years?

Spacebeard · Post by **Spacebeard** » 2005-03-31 09:24pm

Apparently the parents are claiming they were barred from being at their daughter's bedside. This made the front page of my local right-wing rag's afternoon edition, which had the headline "SCHIAVO DIES, PARENTS AND FAMILY DENIED RIGHT TO BE AT HER BEDSIDE" in white type on an all-black background.

Regardless of whether or not these allegations are true, I'd bet this will become their rallying cry after the autopsy results inevitably show near-total loss of brain tissue.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2005-03-31 09:25pm

Joe wrote:
Politically speaking, this would be great for the Democrats, many people despised what was happening to Schiavo, and how the Republican party was acting.
Politically speaking, this was essentially a no-win situation for the Republicans. If they'd have acted, they'd have pleased the fundie Christian wing of the party, but they would have also pissed off the majority of the country, who supported Michael Schiavo. On the other hand, by doing nothing, they would have really pissed off the Christians. So what did they do? They took enough action to piss off the people who supported Michael Schiavo while not taking enough action to please their base. Smart moves!

I'm sorry, but that's a load of crap. The GOP is doing what it does best: blaming the courts when things don't go its way. Its Christian fundamentalist base is, of course, eating this shit up. They haven't lost any support among the fundamentalists, and any average Joe Republican left in the party after the fag-bashing crusades of 2004 doesn't give enough of a shit about the GOP's blatant display of hypocrisy to give those assholes the finger.

Politically, this was no-lose as long as they made the usual symbolic gestures and yammered on about a "culture of life" for a while.

Jaepheth · Post by **Jaepheth** » 2005-03-31 09:26pm

I heard the news say that the husband wants to cremate the body?

I'm pretty sure Catholics are big on burial.
To me, that just sounds suspicious that the husband wants the body burned. Or am I just being paranoid and reading too much into it?

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2005-03-31 09:26pm

Nobody who can execute a retarded man without even blinking an eye has any right to talk about a "culture of life."

Nick Lancaster · Post by **Nick Lancaster** » 2005-03-31 09:28pm

Spacebeard wrote:Apparently the parents are claiming they were barred from being at their daughter's bedside. This made the front page of my local right-wing rag's afternoon edition, which had the headline "SCHIAVO DIES, PARENTS AND FAMILY DENIED RIGHT TO BE AT HER BEDSIDE" in white type on an all-black background.

Regardless of whether or not these allegations are true, I'd bet this will become their rallying cry after the autopsy results inevitably show near-total loss of brain tissue.

Terri Schiavo's brother and sister were present, but began arguing with Michael. Michael asked that they be removed so that Terri's last moments would be peaceful.

Her parents arrived after Terri had passed on. They weren't denied anything.

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