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18-Till-I-Die wrote:Forgive me if this sounds crass, but am i the only one who feels only a passing sympathy for the Schiavos?
Schindlers. Schiavo is her husband's name.

I feel no sympathy for them whatsoever. They kept a sack of brainless flesh alive almost two decades after the person that was their daughter died, smeared her husband with all sorts of absolutely outrageous slander, deluded themselves about her condition to the point of absurdity, obtained quacks to back this nonsense up in court, wasted valuable court time again and again with stupid appeal after stupid appeal in blatant verdict shpping, smeared the courts when they didn't get their way, and will now probably sue Michael Schiavo after what was once their daughter finally expires. They're fucking deluded assholes.
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Add to that they hired the equally brain-dead Randall Terry, a nut who's proven himself to be a media whore since the late '80s.
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Firefox wrote:Add to that they hired the equally brain-dead Randall Terry, a nut who's proven himself to be a media whore since the late '80s.
I don't think the man is brain-dead so much as just plain evil. Seriously, he has shown himself to be utterly devoid of anything resembling ethics; he has his little book of rules which everyone in the world must be forced to live by, and any kind of dishonesty, bullying, or otherwise immoral tactics are perfectly acceptable means to that end.
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Evil could be a better description. He's remembered here for, among other tactics, chaining kids to rear axles to effect blockades of Dr. Tiller's clinic, among others I can't remember.
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Hello again everyone! wow this is my first post in a really long time ^^

Anyway..I know im kinda coming in on the end of this one but just wanted to post my opinion. 2 things:

1) Im ashamed to be a part of the prolife movement at this moment. For years prolifers have battled for natural life to natural death, and when the question of euthanasia came up, prolifers pointed to hospice and paliative care. I myself have given lotsw of money to hospice for the wonderful work they do. Prolifers argued that removing a ventilator or a feeding tube was not actively killing someone but part of the paliative process...now here they are protestings the opposite and atacking the very facility that they use to champion. It just pisses me off.

2) I agree with Mr SChiavos decision...but it scares me that he has the power to make it. He has kids by another woman...I think it would frighten me that my husband still has control over my decisions when he has obviously moved on to a new life. Again, I do agree with him, just a little worried about the decision being allowed to be in his hands.
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It really is sickening to see all these folks bitch about 'How can he have that sort of power?!'.. As if this is some sort of fucking power trip. I suppose it's just an indication of how many people have not a fucking clue what it means to be married. It's not some fucking tax loophole. It's not an A-O-K for sex from the Sky Face. It's no longer living for just yourself, retards, and it's trusting someone with the responsibilities that carries with it.

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And as if there wasn't enough hypocrisy and old-fashioned weirdness around this case ....
DeLay's Own Tragic Crossroads
Family of the lawmaker involved in the Schiavo case decided in '88 to let his comatose father die.
By Walter F. Roche Jr. and Sam Howe Verhovek
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March 27, 2005

CANYON LAKE, Texas — A family tragedy that unfolded in a Texas hospital during the fall of 1988 was a private ordeal — without judges, emergency sessions of Congress or the debate raging outside Terri Schiavo's Florida hospice.

The patient then was a 65-year-old drilling contractor, badly injured in a freak accident at his home. Among the family members keeping vigil at Brooke Army Medical Center was a grieving junior congressman — Rep. Tom DeLay (R-Texas).

More than 16 years ago, far from the political passions that have defined the Schiavo controversy, the DeLay family endured its own wrenching end-of-life crisis. The man in a coma, kept alive by intravenous lines and oxygen equipment, was DeLay's father, Charles Ray DeLay.

Then, freshly reelected to a third term in the House, the 41-year-old DeLay waited, all but helpless, for the verdict of doctors.

Today, as House Majority Leader, DeLay has teamed with his Senate counterpart, Bill Frist (R-Tenn.), to champion political intervention in the Schiavo case. They pushed emergency legislation through Congress to shift the legal case from Florida state courts to the federal judiciary.

And DeLay is among the strongest advocates of keeping the woman, who doctors say has been in a persistent vegetative state for 15 years, connected to her feeding tube. DeLay has denounced Schiavo's husband, as well as judges, for committing what he calls "an act of barbarism" in removing the tube.

In 1988, however, there was no such fiery rhetoric as the congressman quietly joined the sad family consensus to let his father die.

"There was no point to even really talking about it," Maxine DeLay, the congressman's 81-year-old widowed mother, recalled in an interview last week. "There was no way [Charles] wanted to live like that. Tom knew — we all knew — his father wouldn't have wanted to live that way."

Doctors advised that he would "basically be a vegetable," said the congressman's aunt, JoAnne DeLay.

When his father's kidneys failed, the DeLay family decided against connecting him to a dialysis machine. "Extraordinary measures to prolong life were not initiated," said his medical report, citing "agreement with the family's wishes." His bedside chart carried the instruction: "Do not resuscitate."

On Dec. 14, 1988, the DeLay patriarch "expired with his family in attendance."

"The situation faced by the congressman's family was entirely different than Terri Schiavo's," said a spokesman for the majority leader, who declined requests for an interview.

"The only thing keeping her alive is the food and water we all need to survive. His father was on a ventilator and other machines to sustain him," said Dan Allen, DeLay's press aide.

There were also these similarities: Both stricken patients were severely brain-damaged. Both were incapable of surviving without medical assistance. Both were said to have expressed a desire to be spared from being kept alive by artificial means. And neither of them had a living will.

This previously unpublished account of the majority leader's personal brush with life-ending decisions was assembled from court files, medical records and interviews with family members.



It was a pleasant late afternoon in the Hill Country of Texas on Nov. 17, 1988.

At Charles and Maxine DeLay's home, set on a limestone bluff of cedars and live oaks, it also was a moment of triumph. Charles and his brother, Jerry DeLay, two avid tinkerers, had just finished work on a new backyard tram — an elevator-like device that would carry family and friends down a 200-foot slope to the blue-green waters of Canyon Lake.

The two men called for their wives to hop aboard. Charles pushed the button and the maiden run began. Within seconds, a horrific screeching noise echoed across the still lake — "a sickening sound," said a neighbor. The tram was in trouble.

Maxine, seated up front in the four-passenger trolley, said her husband repeatedly tried to engage the emergency brake, but the rail car kept picking up speed. Halfway down the bank, it was free-wheeling, according to accident investigators.

Moments later, it jumped the track and slammed into a tree, scattering passengers and debris in all directions.

"It was awful, just awful," recalled Karl Braddick, now 86, the DeLays' neighbor at the time. "I came running over, and it was a terrible sight."

He called for emergency help. Rescue workers had trouble bringing the injured victims up the steep terrain. Jerry's wife, JoAnne, suffered broken bones and a shattered elbow. Charles, who had been thrown head-first into a tree, was in grave condition.

"He was all but gone," said Braddick, gesturing at the spot of the accident as he offered a visitor a ride down to the lake in his own tram. "He would have been better off if he'd died right there and then."

But Charles DeLay hung on. In the ambulance on his way to a hospital in New Braunfels 15 miles away, he tried to speak.

"He wasn't making any sense; it was mainly just cuss words," recalled Maxine with a faint, fond smile.

Four hours later, he was airlifted by helicopter to the Brooke Army Medical Center at Ft. Sam Houston. Admission records show he arrived with multiple injuries, including broken ribs and a brain hemorrhage.

Tom DeLay flew to his father's bedside, where, along with his two brothers and a sister, they joined their mother. In the weeks that followed, the congressman made repeated trips back from Washington, his family said. Maxine seldom left her husband's side.

"Mama stayed at the hospital with him all the time. Oh, it was terrible for everyone," said Alvina "Vi" Skogen, a former sister-in-law of the congressman. Neighbor Braddick visited the hospital and said it seemed very clear to everyone that there was little prospect of recovery.

"He had no consciousness that I could see," Braddick said. "He did a bit of moaning and groaning, I guess, but you could see there was no way he was coming back."

Maxine DeLay agreed that she was never aware of any consciousness on her husband's part during the long days of her bedside vigil — with one possible exception.

"Whenever Randy walked into the room, his heart, his pulse rate, would go up a little bit," she said of their son, Randall, the congressman's younger brother, who lives near Houston.

Doctors conducted a series of tests, including scans of his head, face, neck and abdomen. They checked for lung damage and performed a tracheostomy to assist his breathing. But they could not prevent steady deterioration.

Then, infections complicated the senior DeLay's fight for life. Finally, his organs began to fail. His family and physicians confronted the dreaded choice so many other Americans have faced: to make heroic efforts or to let the end come.

"Daddy did not want to be a vegetable," said Skogen, one of his daughters-in-law at the time. "There was no decision for the family to make. He made it for them."

The preliminary decision to withhold dialysis and other treatments fell to Maxine along with Randall and her daughter Tena — and "Tom went along." He raised no objection, said the congressman's mother.

Family members said they prayed.

Jerry DeLay "felt terribly about the accident" that injured his brother, said his wife, JoAnne. "He prayed that, if [Charles] couldn't have quality of life, that God would take him — and that is exactly what he did."

Charles Ray DeLay died at 3:17 a.m., according to his death certificate, 27 days after plummeting down the hillside.



The family then turned to lawyers.

In 1990, the DeLays filed suit against Midcap Bearing Corp. of San Antonio and Lovejoy Inc. of Illinois, the distributor and maker of a coupling that the family said had failed and caused the tram to hurtle out of control.

The family's wrongful death lawsuit accused the companies of negligence and sought actual and punitive damages. Lawyers for the companies denied the allegations and countersued the surviving designer of the tram system, Jerry DeLay.

The case thrust Rep. DeLay into unfamiliar territory — the front page of a civil complaint as a plaintiff. He is an outspoken defender of business against what he calls the crippling effects of "predatory, self-serving litigation."

The DeLay family litigation sought unspecified compensation for, among other things, the dead father's "physical pain and suffering, mental anguish and trauma," and the mother's grief, sorrow and loss of companionship.

Their lawsuit also alleged violations of the Texas product liability law.

The DeLay case moved slowly through the Texas judicial system, accumulating more than 500 pages of motions, affidavits and disclosures over nearly three years. Among the affidavits was one filed by the congressman, but family members said he had little direct involvement in the lawsuit, leaving that to his brother Randall, an attorney.

Rep. DeLay, who since has taken a leading role promoting tort reform, wants to rein in trial lawyers to protect American businesses from what he calls "frivolous, parasitic lawsuits" that raise insurance premiums and "kill jobs."

Last September, he expressed less than warm sentiment for attorneys when he took the floor of the House to condemn trial lawyers who, he said, "get fat off the pain" of plaintiffs and off "the hard work" of defendants.

Aides for DeLay defended his role as a plaintiff in the family lawsuit, saying he did not follow the legal case and was not aware of its final outcome.

The case was resolved in 1993 with payment of an undisclosed sum, said to be about $250,000, according to sources familiar with the out-of-court settlement. DeLay signed over his share of any proceeds to his mother, said his aides.

Three years later, DeLay cosponsored a bill specifically designed to override state laws on product liability such as the one cited in his family's lawsuit. The legislation provided sweeping exemptions for product sellers.

The 1996 bill was vetoed by President Clinton, who said he objected to the DeLay-backed measure because it "tilts against American families and would deprive them of the ability to recover fully when they are injured by a defective product."



After her husband's death, Maxine DeLay scrapped the mangled tram at the bottom of the hill and sold the family's lake house.

Today, she lives alone in a Houston senior citizen residence. Like much of the country, she is following news developments in the Schiavo case and her son's prominent role.

She acknowledged questions comparing her family's decision in 1988 to the Schiavo conflict with a slight smile. "It's certainly interesting, isn't it?"

She had a new hairdo for Easter and puffed on a cigarette outside her assisted-living residence as she sat back comparing the cases.

Like her son, she believed there might be hope for Terri Schiavo's recovery. That's what made her family's experience different, she said. Charles had no hope.

"There was no chance he was ever coming back," she said.
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SirNitram wrote:It really is sickening to see all these folks bitch about 'How can he have that sort of power?!'.. As if this is some sort of fucking power trip. I suppose it's just an indication of how many people have not a fucking clue what it means to be married. It's not some fucking tax loophole. It's not an A-O-K for sex from the Sky Face. It's no longer living for just yourself, retards, and it's trusting someone with the responsibilities that carries with it.

Maybe they'll all grow up. Maybe not.
considering I am married with a daughter, I do know what marriage is. Just because I have questions about speaking for a woman when you have kids by another doesnt mean I think of marriage as a tax loophole you prick.
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Cairber wrote: considering I am married with a daughter, I do know what marriage is. Just because I have questions about speaking for a woman when you have kids by another doesnt mean I think of marriage as a tax loophole you prick.
The fact that he's moved on and yet still wishes to honor his wife's wishes on the matter, shows how much he actually cared for her. He still loves his wife, but realizes that she's gone and has moved on and found another woman.

Is this so odd? I would want my wife to move on if I died. The fact that he is still trying to honor her wishes till now, does not have anything to do with him being with another woman, rather the obstacles that the parents have thrown up for the last 8 years. If not for that, he'd have honored Terry's wishes years ago, and still moved on.
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concession ^^ you are right in this case.


hypothetical that demonstrates why is scares me: What if a husband is not acting on his wife's wishes and has moved on and is just trying to get rid of her? horrible to think about...but in this world I wouldnt be surprised if it happened. In this case, he has the power, as he does in the shiavo case, but he may be misusing it.
And not be sexist, a woman could def do the same thing.
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Cairber wrote:concession ^^ you are right in this case.


hypothetical that demonstrates why is scares me: What if a husband is not acting on his wife's wishes and has moved on and is just trying to get rid of her? horrible to think about...but in this world I wouldnt be surprised if it happened. In this case, he has the power, as he does in the shiavo case, but he may be misusing it.
And not be sexist, a woman could def do the same thing.
First, you're talking bullshit, since she is ALREADY GONE, and Michael Schiavo sought arbitration rather than making the decision unilaterally. Second, if one doesn't want someone else to have this power, here's an idea: don't marry him! Marriage entails trust; if you don't have the capacity to trust someone, don't marry him.
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concession again *holds head in shame*

oh, and just saw another prolifer on TV yelling about killing a judge. adds even more to my point 1 from before. Perhaps I can form a new movement far removed from these people.
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Cairber wrote:concession again *holds head in shame*

oh, and just saw another prolifer on TV yelling about killing a judge. adds even more to my point 1 from before. Perhaps I can form a new movement far removed from these people.
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Trying to sift through the less savory side of American media from here where access is limited and with Google completely polluted by all the pro-Terri blogs that just crosslink to each other, can anyone give me a quick rundown on The Empire Journal? It's another one of those right wing lie factories and they post shamelessly biased shit and outright lies.

Most particularly, if anyone knows where to find stuff to refute the following shit, or at least expose what is being left out, I'd be most grateful:

Linky 1 This is related to allegations of Michael Schiavo being improperly hired to some kind of hospice related to this
Linky 2 Allegations of corruption against judge Greer
Linky 3 Allegations of Medicare and Medicaid fraud in the Schiavo case.

Given the history of lying by that trash journal, I'm assuming there is little or no truth to any of that shit, but trying to Google any relevant material just results in a feedback loop that crosslinks the same sites quoting each other and repeating the same bullshit. Didn't help that I didn't find anything on Media Matters either, they don't seem to have TEJ on their list of publications to keep track of.

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Cairber wrote:concession ^^ you are right in this case.


hypothetical that demonstrates why is scares me: What if a husband is not acting on his wife's wishes and has moved on and is just trying to get rid of her? horrible to think about...but in this world I wouldnt be surprised if it happened. In this case, he has the power, as he does in the shiavo case, but he may be misusing it.
And not be sexist, a woman could def do the same thing.
Hypothetically, then the challenger can go to court. Notice, that's what happened here and the parents were unable to prove that Mr. Shrivo was acting against Terry's wishes.

As Mike said, Mr. Shrivo actaully turned the thing over to the court and they still found that Terry didn't want to live like this.

So a system is in place so that if someone doesn't have the best interest of a PSV person in mind, some one can challenge it. The problem in this case is that the challenger has lost consistantly for 8 years.
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Um... Technically he was with another woman before he was "done" with Teri. At least thats whats the ORIGINAL facts were. SO technicaly that would be cheating.

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He began the relationship with Ms. Centonze a full 5 years after Terri's collapse into what certainly seems to be a persistent vegetative state. The odds of recovering from that state, particularly after that length of time, are virtually nil. If I were in a relationship and had something like that happen to me, I would want my partner to have a normal life rather than become some sort of nun waiting for the remote chance of recovery. In fact, if he was in such a hurry, why did he wait for three years after the relationship with Ms. Centonze began before requesting the removal of the feeding tube?
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Assassin X wrote:Um... Technically he was with another woman before he was "done" with Teri. At least thats whats the ORIGINAL facts were. SO technicaly that would be cheating.

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Assassin X wrote::Runs back to cave:
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Assassin X wrote:Um... Technically he was with another woman before he was "done" with Teri. At least thats whats the ORIGINAL facts were. SO technicaly that would be cheating.

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I somehow missed this entire media circus... and I don't really get why it was such a big deal. Don't people in this condition get left to die all the time? Aren't there protocols, and agreements signed, and shit? Does this mean if I get my DNR order, they'll try it anyway, because 'life is t3h sacred'? Did the womans family manufacture a nationwide media circus for nothing?
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I dont see why you guys are mad at me? I dont like people that twist facts.

Im just pointing out....Hes still married... and with another woman. Its cheating. If you believe they want you to be happy then you get a divroce and move on. You dont cheat on someone until their dead and still say yu love them. You cant say you love them and are moving on.

Thats basically what you people are saying. He still loves her enough to let her go... well if he still loves her enough to let her go then he wouldnt be moving on until shes dead. Its very confusing.
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Stark wrote:I somehow missed this entire media circus... and I don't really get why it was such a big deal. Don't people in this condition get left to die all the time? Aren't there protocols, and agreements signed, and shit? Does this mean if I get my DNR order, they'll try it anyway, because 'life is t3h sacred'? Did the womans family manufacture a nationwide media circus for nothing?
I wondered why that is so myself. Perhaps someone with a better knowledge of how the American medical system works can answer. Because as far as I know in Australia if the treatment aint' working (ie recover appears dim) and life support is all thats keeping the patient alive, doctors turn it off.
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Assassin X wrote:I dont see why you guys are mad at me? I dont like people that twist facts.

Im just pointing out....Hes still married... and with another woman. Its cheating. If you believe they want you to be happy then you get a divroce and move on. You dont cheat on someone until their dead and still say yu love them. You cant say you love them and are moving on.
How the fuck is he going to get her to sign the divorce papers, you stupid asshole? He is not an adulterer, she is not brain-functional at the level of a typical Alzheimer's patient, and you are full of shit.
Thats basically what you people are saying. He still loves her enough to let her go... well if he still loves her enough to let her go then he wouldnt be moving on until shes dead. Its very confusing.
Only if you're an imbecile.
Keep it up and your stay here will not be a long one, understood?
Oh! I threat! Are we in school still? Im sorry are we not on a board where one is allowed to state what they feel?
Up to a limit which does not include slander, asshole. Not to mention the fact that I do make the rules here, and I can enforce them, right up your ass if necessary.
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