More on Terri Schiavo--UPDATE: Schiavo dead 31 Mar 05

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2005-03-24 01:51pm

Aya wrote:
Sharp-kun wrote:Chances on Jeb Bush being made her legal guardian?
About zip, I'd imagine. The courts have sided with Michael Schiavo this far, they aren't going to stop now.

At best he'll pull the stunt and the courts will oveturn it. But I doubt Jeb Bush will actually try it. He's smarter than that.

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2005-03-24 02:08pm

Ha! MSNBC is reporting that a Florida court just ruled against Jeb Bush's request for guardianship.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2005-03-24 03:23pm

Aya wrote:Ha! MSNBC is reporting that a Florida court just ruled against Jeb Bush's request for guardianship.

That's the end of it. Unless Georgie Boy issues an executive order or something (highly unlikely).

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2005-03-24 03:34pm

Durandal wrote:
That's the end of it. Unless Georgie Boy issues an executive order or something (highly unlikely).

Bush gets martial law declared in Florida and sends in the National Guard to hold back those infidels that dare let Terri die and fight their way to give her much needed aid.

Film at 11.

Firefox · Post by **Firefox** » 2005-03-24 03:41pm

Perhaps he'll come out with proof that WMD are stockpiled in the Schiavo house, and that Michael Schiavo regularly holds meetings with al Qaeda.

Meanwhile, Candy Crowley's interviewing Pat Robertson. She just smacked him with the gallup poll, adding that even the majority of evangelicals are against government intervention in this case.

I'm not surprised he's claiming judicial activism, as well.

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2005-03-24 04:07pm

Of course it's Judicial Activism.

They were actively upholding the law, weren't they? I mean they must have been active about something, so they're activist, see. And we all know that Activvist judges are worse than minority interest shitbags...

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2005-03-24 04:48pm

By now its a moot point. She's been off food and water for 6 days, her body is probably past the point of irreversible damage. She wasn't dying before, but she's dying now.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2005-03-24 05:24pm

CaptainChewbacca wrote:By now its a moot point. She's been off food and water for 6 days, her body is probably past the point of irreversible damage. She wasn't dying before, but she's dying now.

She died years ago. This is just a formality.

Honestly, keeping that meat-sack alive right now is about as morbid as having a deceased family member stuffed and preserved and then putting it in your living room.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2005-03-24 05:31pm

Darth Wong wrote:
CaptainChewbacca wrote:By now its a moot point. She's been off food and water for 6 days, her body is probably past the point of irreversible damage. She wasn't dying before, but she's dying now.
She died years ago. This is just a formality.

Honestly, keeping that meat-sack alive right now is about as morbid as having a deceased family member stuffed and preserved and then putting it in your living room.

She had brain activity and functional organs, but not the ability to swallow. I don't know enough about her medical history, but she seems to be about as bad off as my grandmother after her third stroke.

Does anyone know why the husband didn't surrender his rights or whatever and leave her in the care of her family? He seemed downright... unfriendly.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2005-03-24 05:33pm

CaptainChewbacca wrote:She had brain activity and functional organs, but not the ability to swallow. I don't know enough about her medical history, but she seems to be about as bad off as my grandmother after her third stroke.

If by 'brain activity' you mean 'Still has an intact brain stem', I guess. The cortex necrotised away, dumbfuck. Have you read the thread?

Does anyone know why the husband didn't surrender his rights or whatever and leave her in the care of her family? He seemed downright... unfriendly.

Again, have you read the thread, or just lapped up what the Right Wing has thrown? He's not in control of any of this.

Firefox · Post by **Firefox** » 2005-03-24 05:34pm

I wouldn't read anything suspicious from that. The fact that he's actively refused a million dollars from someone asking to try to help her if he would file for divorce indicates he's not in it for financial benefit.

As for the condition of her brain, again, here's the CT scan.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2005-03-24 05:36pm

yeah, but that's not the way our new version of William Randolph Hearst makes it sound....

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2005-03-24 05:40pm

Hmm, rightists really don't like it when you ask why there were no protests about letting Ronald Reagan starve to death when he was in the same condition.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2005-03-24 05:42pm

Firefox wrote:I wouldn't read anything suspicious from that. The fact that he's actively refused a million dollars from someone asking to try to help her if he would file for divorce indicates he's not in it for financial benefit.

As for the condition of her brain, again, here's the CT scan.

Didn't know that about the money, I've been on the road for a few days and have only picked up bits and pieces. Still seems sad that there couldn't be a compromise. And no, I havn't read the whole thread. You see how long it is?

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2005-03-24 05:56pm

CaptainChewbacca wrote:She had brain activity and functional organs, but not the ability to swallow. I don't know enough about her medical history, but she seems to be about as bad off as my grandmother after her third stroke.

Was your grandmother's brain replaced almost entirely by spinal fluid?

Does anyone know why the husband didn't surrender his rights or whatever and leave her in the care of her family? He seemed downright... unfriendly.

He did. Contrary to what Georgie Boy and Tom DeLay would have you believe, Michael Schiavo is not a cloven-hoofed, horn-headed demon who masturbates himself to sleep every night by fantasizing about his vegetable wife starving to death in a hospital bed.

Rather than make the call himself, he called upon the courts to act as the arbitrators of Terri's fate because he and the family disagreed. In other words, he waved his right to guardianship in order to get a fair and impartial determination as to what Terri's final wishes would have been. The courts called on him to testify that Terri's wishes were to not be left connected to the feeding tube, and they had 19 other witnesses who said the same thing. The Schindlers brought no evidence that Terri would have wished to be kept on the feeding tube. They've only offered testimony that is useless against 20 other sworn testimonies stating the exact opposite and some ridiculous "Roman Catholic" defense. So it's not exactly surprising that the court determined that Terri's wish was to have the tube removed. That is what the Schindlers have been fighting.

If Michael Schiavo was in this for financial gain, do you think he would've left it up to the courts? No. He'd have simply ordered the feeding tube removed, and the hospital would've done so, and all the whining from Terri's parents would have made no difference at all, because Michael Schiavo was her legal guardian. He did an honorable thing by leaving it up to the courts and giving Terri's parents a chance to make their case. And they've responded to his generosity by smearing him with accusations of wanting to collect money from a malpractice settlement -- money which, by the way, doesn't exist anymore. They've gotten quack doctors to testify to absurd fantasies of brain matter being able to spontaneously appear from nowhere from "therapy." Their case has turned the concepts of the separation of powers and state sovereignty into running jokes.

These people are delusional maniacs, and they seriously need to move on. Their daughter died 15 years ago.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2005-03-24 06:00pm

See, now I'm properly informed. Didn't know it had been 15 years. Thanks.

The Spartan · Post by **The Spartan** » 2005-03-24 06:20pm

And they're petitioning a federal judge... again... to keep her hooked up to the machines.

I can admire persistance (in and of itself) up to a point but fried christ on a stick these people need serious psychological help. Maybe a lobotomy.

Firefox · Post by **Firefox** » 2005-03-24 06:29pm

The Spartan wrote:Maybe a lobotomy.

How ironic....

Meanwhile, a federal judge has agreed to see the case in an emergency session. Details will follow soon.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2005-03-24 06:29pm

Darth Wong wrote:Honestly, keeping that meat-sack alive right now is about as morbid as having a deceased family member stuffed and preserved and then putting it in your living room.

Interestingly enough, a guy did that. He had his wife preserved and has her in a room at his house. I saw it on Ripley's Believe it or Not.

Firefox · Post by **Firefox** » 2005-03-24 06:32pm

Is that a present-day case? I heard of a similar one from shortly after WWI, where a man did similar, only he did not preserve the woman very well (can't remember if he had been married to her).

Of course, it had the additional issue of necrophilia, but I won't go into that.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2005-03-24 06:33pm

*after Roy Rodger's had "Trigger" sent to a taxidermist, he opted in his will to be preserved and placed on his horse

his wife Dale Evans reportably said: Don't even think about it ROY!

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2005-03-24 06:34pm

Firefox wrote:
The Spartan wrote:Maybe a lobotomy.
How ironic....

Meanwhile, a federal judge has agreed to see the case in an emergency session. Details will follow soon.

You know, there should come a point in all of this where the parents are dragged before a court and heartily stamped on for attempting to pervert the course of justice, or wasting court time, or some charge similarly appropriate to the amount of fuckheadedness that they're portraying.

Someone, somewhere, needs to stamp on this case so hard that not only does it not arise again, but all the fuckbags involved from the parents to the Legislature get reminded exactly what the job of the Judicial branch of government is.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2005-03-24 06:35pm

Firefox wrote:
The Spartan wrote:Maybe a lobotomy.
How ironic....

Meanwhile, a federal judge has agreed to see the case in an emergency session. Details will follow soon.

I'm predicting that they'll be thrown out of court. Again. Who was the judge?

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2005-03-24 06:38pm

no, the courts should bill the presient and the schindlers plus fox media, by the hour, for every intern, court reporter, and other judicial resouce they had to use individually...

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2005-03-24 06:38pm

Firefox wrote:Is that a present-day case? I heard of a similar one from shortly after WWI, where a man did similar, only he did not preserve the woman very well (can't remember if he had been married to her).

Of course, it had the additional issue of necrophilia, but I won't go into that.

I'm assuming it is since they interview the guy and it looks like a fairly recent interview.