More on Terri Schiavo--UPDATE: Schiavo dead 31 Mar 05

[Firefox]

... or if he, like the 9-year-old, decides to bring her a glass of water.

That would kill her via drowning.

No swallowing reflex means she would breath anything you pour down her throat.

That was the point of the joke.

[Iceberg]

Everybody on the Schindlers' side is riding the short bus. Their neurologist is a quack, the other guy they got to testify for them that oh no, Terri isn't a vegetable, guess what, he ain't a neurologist. The neurologist Jeb Bush got admits that Terri doesn't evince any behaviors not consistent with the PVS diagnosis but insists that the diagnosis is incorrect because - get this - he can feel her "presence." Her parents have been "feeling her presence" for ten years, that doesn't make her any less brain-dead. I consider everybody on the "Let Terri Live!" side to be about half a step removed from necrophilia.

I suspect that today the Supreme Court will summarily dismiss their case as every Federal court so far has done and then it'll be all over until the corpse finally gets the message and joins its brain, at which point the Schindlers get one last day in court where they accuse Michael Schiavo of murdering his wife.

What a fucking miscarriage of justice.

[Firefox]

Then you have the Schindlers' legal advisor who claims, when she was shaking Terri at one point, shouting "do you want to live?", that Terri vocalized "I.....WAAAA", the last part loud enough to be heard from outside. Apparently, that was supposed to mean "I want to live!"

... Could very well have been "I want to die!" if it was a conscious vocalization at all. Idiots.

[Knife]

SCOTUS will not take the case. It's done.

[Stravo]

Thank Christ.

Now the question will be what other underhanded tactics will they used in this hour of desperation for them. God I hope she dies quickly so that this nightmare can end for both herself and her husband. The worst part is that he will most likely be vilified for the rest of his life and the family will never be exposed for the ghoulish monsters that they are because that would be insensitive of the media.

[RedImperator]

SCOTUS will not take the case. It's done.

It won't be done until she's dead. There's still a chance one of the Bush brothers might try to issue an executive order or the Florida social services department will meddle or Congress might try something else. But they're running out of time.

[Knife]

Thank Christ.

Now the question will be what other underhanded tactics will they used in this hour of desperation for them. God I hope she dies quickly so that this nightmare can end for both herself and her husband. The worst part is that he will most likely be vilified for the rest of his life and the family will never be exposed for the ghoulish monsters that they are because that would be insensitive of the media.

I really don't see what the gouls can do? The Florida judge will rule at 1200 EST on Bush's motion and I really don't see that one flying.

Short of the fundies breaking in and taking Terry hostage, there isn't anything left.

[Darth Wong]

Thank Christ.

Now the question will be what other underhanded tactics will they used in this hour of desperation for them. God I hope she dies quickly so that this nightmare can end for both herself and her husband. The worst part is that he will most likely be vilified for the rest of his life and the family will never be exposed for the ghoulish monsters that they are because that would be insensitive of the media.

I really don't see what the gouls can do? The Florida judge will rule at 1200 EST on Bush's motion and I really don't see that one flying.

Short of the fundies breaking in and taking Terry hostage, there isn't anything left.

There is their hatred of Michael Schiavo and their persistent slander of him, which will persist for years while people do everything in their power to destroy his life.

[Chmee]

Thank Christ.

Now the question will be what other underhanded tactics will they used in this hour of desperation for them.

That would be:

Speaking from Tallahassee before Judge Greer's hearing, Governor Bush indicated the state might indeed try to take custody of Ms. Schiavo, which the law would allow it to do under certain circumstances. He said a new review by Dr. William P. Cheshire, a neurologist in Jacksonville, suggested that Ms. Schiavo had been misdiagnosed as being in a "persistent vegetative state," meaning she cannot think, emote or remember.

Dr. Cheshire, who visited Ms. Schiavo in her hospice room for an hour and a half on March 1 and reviewed videotapes of her made by her parents, said that instead she appeared to be minimally conscious.

"This new information raises serious concerns and warrants immediate action," Mr. Bush said. "If there's any uncertainty, we should err on the side of protecting her."

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Hey, if there's an expert on persistent vegetative states, it's the President's brother .......

[Stravo]

And here's another result of this fucking debacle.

Schiavo case heats up Senate's brewing conflict over judicial nominations

Wed Mar 23, 5:55 PM ET Top Stories - Knight Ridder Newspapers


By James Kuhnhenn, Knight Ridder Newspapers


With back-to-back refusals by federal judges to reinsert a feeding tube into the severely brain-damaged woman, religious conservatives are portraying Schiavo as a potent symbol in their drive for more socially conservative judges and for a socially conservative majority on the Supreme Court.


Likewise, liberal groups say the decisions by a federal judge in Florida and an appellate court in Atlanta not to second-guess rulings by Florida courts illustrate the need for an independent judiciary that's willing to stand up to Congress.


The Schiavo case already had political undercurrents. It rallied Christian conservatives and anti-abortion forces, prompting the Republican-dominated Congress to intervene with extraordinary legislation to thwart a state court's order that Schiavo's feeding tube be removed.


But in throwing the case into federal court, the Republicans in Congress put their faith in a branch of government that conservatives love to disparage. The court decisions Tuesday and Wednesday only fueled that hostility.


"The greatest blessing is that people are realizing that the court system in America has dictatorial control over too many people's lives," said the Rev. Louis P. Sheldon, the head of the Traditional Values Coalition (news - web sites). "This is a precursor to what I believe is going to be happening when there is a vacancy on the Supreme Court."


Tony Perkins, the president of the religious conservative Family Research Council, said the Schiavo case "clearly will have implications for the increasing debate over the role of the courts in public policy. It certainly does increase the debate over whether or not the courts have overstepped their bounds."


Liberals and Democrats, citing opinion polls that show broad opposition to Congress' intervention in the case, portray this week's court rulings as examples of judges properly using their authority to block congressional overreach.


"This shows exactly what conservatives, especially social conservatives, want from these judicial nomination battles: They want judges who will do their bidding," said Seth Rosenthal, the legal director at the liberal Alliance for Justice.


What's more, the argument that the Schiavo case is an appropriate symbol for a judicial-confirmation debate could backfire with some Republicans and small-government conservatives who've bristled at Congress' decision to step into what they consider a personal or states' rights issue.


The showdown over judges could come as early as April, when Congress returns from its Easter recess. Earlier this year, Bush resubmitted seven appellate-court nominees whom Senate Democrats blocked during his first term. The first of the seven, William G. Myers III, cleared the Senate Judiciary Committee (news - web sites) last week and is ready for a vote by the entire Senate.


Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., has threatened to strip Democrats of their ability to block judicial nominees by the extended debate known as a filibuster, which requires a 60-vote majority to end. Each of the nominees whom Bush sent back to the Senate was unable to get enough votes to overcome Democratic filibusters, the first time they've been used to block appellate court judges.


Frist could end a filibuster simply by getting a favorable ruling from the chair, which would be occupied either by another Republican senator or by Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites). Democrats would challenge the ruling, at which point it could be affirmed by a simple majority of the Senate. There are 55 Republicans, 44 Democrats and one independent in the Senate.


Last week Frist telephoned Christian conservatives and described the Senate's efforts to intervene in the Schiavo case, promote a "culture of life" and confirm "good judges," though he didn't directly link the topics.


"I'm also committed to overcoming the minority's filibuster and restoring this 220 years or more of Senate tradition and history," Frist said, according to a recording made by Americans United for Separation of Church and State. "The minority broke the tradition, they violated the founders' intent and we will bring the president's nominees up for a vote and we will confirm them."


Democrats argue that the tradition of minority rights is on their side, the threat of filibusters encourages compromise and removing the filibuster on judicial nominations could open the door to more Republican efforts to strengthen their hand.


Removing the use of filibusters probably would set the stage for the biggest judicial fight of Bush's presidency: filling a vacancy on the Supreme Court. Though none of the nine justices has announced any intention to leave, Chief Justice William Rehnquist (news - web sites)'s battle with thyroid cancer has prompted widespread speculation that he could decide to retire when the court's current term ends in June.


The Schiavo case, however, also illustrates that ideology isn't always a good barometer of judicial performance. Edward Carnes, one of the two appellate judges who refused to reinsert the feeding tube Tuesday, faced fierce Democratic opposition in the Senate in 1992 when former President George H.W. Bush appointed him.

Foreshadowing today's battles, Carnes also faced a filibuster threat. He was confirmed with 62 votes.

[Firefox]

... Is that a heartbeat I'm hearing over CNN and MSNBC? Someone must have set up a speaker system outside the home. Score another one for appeal to emotion.

[Stravo]

... Is that a heartbeat I'm hearing over CNN and MSNBC? Someone must have set up a speaker system outside the home. Score another one for appeal to emotion.

You have GOT to be shitting me.

[Elfdart]

Jeb Bush claims he has the right to "take custody" of Schiavo's corpse. The courts say he doesn't. What happens if Jeb sends state troopers to grab the carcass and the federal courts (which the Corpsefucker Congress gave jurisdiction to) send marshalls to stop them?

Before you mention Arkansas or Mississippi, keep in mind that Faubus and Barnett didn't have a brother in the White House.

[RedImperator]

And here's another result of this fucking debacle.

"The greatest blessing is that people are realizing that the court system in America has dictatorial control over too many people's lives," said the Rev. Louis P. Sheldon, the head of the Traditional Values Coalition (news - web sites). "This is a precursor to what I believe is going to be happening when there is a vacancy on the Supreme Court."

Actually, Louie, the greatest blessing is that the American people have finally started to realize that if people like you get your way, it's going to mean THEIR freedoms get curtailed--not gays, not atheists, not deviants. Them.

[Firefox]

Bob Franken (CNN) has reported that Jeb had sent agents from Child Protection Services to the vicinity, expecting to send them into the home to take custody in the event he could find the legal opportunity. What's next? Will Bush drop a MEU onto the town and enter the house with armed troops?

[RedImperator]

Jeb Bush claims he has the right to "take custody" of Schiavo's corpse. The courts say he doesn't. What happens if Jeb sends state troopers to grab the carcass and the federal courts (which the Corpsefucker Congress gave jurisdiction to) send marshalls to stop them?

Before you mention Arkansas or Mississippi, keep in mind that Faubus and Barnett didn't have a brother in the White House.

With 70% of the population already believing the government has overreached? Political suicide.

[mwm1331]

I cant really blame the parents for what they are doing, If I was in ther position I would probably do whatever it takes to save my daughters life as well.
Nor can I blame the husband as he is only tryng to do what he believes is right.
And while I am a big fan of Both Jeb and George (yeah I voted for W twice and I have voted for Jeb as well and no I dont give a damn what your opinion of that is) This is a situation where I defnately feel the Gov has gone too far.
However any of you who want to attrbute ths to partisan poitics or "neo-cons" I might remind yo that "terri's law" was passed by a vote of both parties.

[RedImperator]

I cant really blame the parents for what they are doing, If I was in ther position I would probably do whatever it takes to save my daughters life as well.
Nor can I blame the husband as he is only tryng to do what he believes is right.
And while I am a big fan of Both Jeb and George (yeah I voted for W twice and I have voted for Jeb as well and no I dont give a damn what your opinion of that is) This is a situation where I defnately feel the Gov has gone too far.
However any of you who want to attrbute ths to partisan poitics or "neo-cons" I might remind yo that "terri's law" was passed by a vote of both parties.

The spinelessness of the Democratic party is well known. That doesn't make this any less of a crass political attempt to appeal to the religious right.

[Knife]

There is their hatred of Michael Schiavo and their persistent slander of him, which will persist for years while people do everything in their power to destroy his life.

Meh, there will be a pack of lawyers (sorry Strav) that will be more than happy to help Mr. Schiavo combat the legions of slanderers. Alot of these morons will shut up when their financial and reputations are in the microscope.

Atleast I hope.

[Darth Wong]

I cant really blame the parents for what they are doing, If I was in ther position I would probably do whatever it takes to save my daughters life as well.
Nor can I blame the husband as he is only tryng to do what he believes is right.
And while I am a big fan of Both Jeb and George (yeah I voted for W twice and I have voted for Jeb as well and no I dont give a damn what your opinion of that is) This is a situation where I defnately feel the Gov has gone too far.
However any of you who want to attrbute ths to partisan poitics or "neo-cons" I might remind yo that "terri's law" was passed by a vote of both parties.

Because of an overwhelmingly one-sided Republican vote. Look at the numbers.

[Knife]

I cant really blame the parents for what they are doing, If I was in ther position I would probably do whatever it takes to save my daughters life as well.
Nor can I blame the husband as he is only tryng to do what he believes is right.

I would hope (may it never happen) that if I were in simular circumstances and was being a goul, that someone would smack me and tell me 'she's gone, man. Grieve.' Instead of allowing me to drag this shit out for over a decade and make everyones life (including my own) a living fucking nightmare.

And while I am a big fan of Both Jeb and George (yeah I voted for W twice and I have voted for Jeb as well and no I dont give a damn what your opinion of that is) This is a situation where I defnately feel the Gov has gone too far.

Then why bring it up? Lots of the conservatives on this board feel the same about Terry. It's not a Repub/Dem thing, rather than a fundie thing.

However any of you who want to attrbute ths to partisan poitics or "neo-cons" I might remind yo that "terri's law" was passed by a vote of both parties.

I'm willing to bet that those Dems who voted yes, did so for campaign reasons rather than anything else.

[Patrick Degan]

Everybody on the Schindlers' side is riding the short bus. Their neurologist is a quack, the other guy they got to testify for them that oh no, Terri isn't a vegetable, guess what, he ain't a neurologist. The neurologist Jeb Bush got admits that Terri doesn't evince any behaviors not consistent with the PVS diagnosis but insists that the diagnosis is incorrect because - get this - he can feel her "presence."

He can "feel her presence"?! Is this guy using the Force?

Looks like we've officially crossed the border into Insanistan.

[The Yosemite Bear]

Everybody on the Schindlers' side is riding the short bus. Their neurologist is a quack, the other guy they got to testify for them that oh no, Terri isn't a vegetable, guess what, he ain't a neurologist. The neurologist Jeb Bush got admits that Terri doesn't evince any behaviors not consistent with the PVS diagnosis but insists that the diagnosis is incorrect because - get this - he can feel her "presence." Her parents have been "feeling her presence" for ten years, that doesn't make her any less brain-dead. I consider everybody on the "Let Terri Live!" side to be about half a step removed from necrophilia.

I suspect that today the Supreme Court will summarily dismiss their case as every Federal court so far has done and then it'll be all over until the corpse finally gets the message and joins its brain, at which point the Schindlers get one last day in court where they accuse Michael Schiavo of murdering his wife.

What a fucking miscarriage of justice.

either that or they claim she's a Jedi as well, does that mean when she finally dies, her body will dissapear and be standing next to a transparent Yoda?

[Firefox]

If that were to happen, the thudding sound you hear next will be thousands of people throwing themselves from tall buildings, thinking The Rapture has arrived.

[Durandal]

There is their hatred of Michael Schiavo and their persistent slander of him, which will persist for years while people do everything in their power to destroy his life.

Meh, there will be a pack of lawyers (sorry Strav) that will be more than happy to help Mr. Schiavo combat the legions of slanderers. Alot of these morons will shut up when their financial and reputations are in the microscope.

Atleast I hope.

The damage done to him in the public's opinion is irreversible. He should just get cosmetic surgery and take a new name.

Jeb Bush claims he has the right to "take custody" of Schiavo's corpse. The courts say he doesn't. What happens if Jeb sends state troopers to grab the carcass and the federal courts (which the Corpsefucker Congress gave jurisdiction to) send marshalls to stop them?

Before you mention Arkansas or Mississippi, keep in mind that Faubus and Barnett didn't have a brother in the White House.

I imagine that the worst Jeb will do is put on a show. The state troopers will be denied access, there'll be a prayer circle-jerk -- I mean "vigil", and Terry will die. The Republicans know that she's more valuable to them as a martyr than as some lost cause they keep expending political capital on to appease their Christian fundamentalist masters.