They are now locking the thread. Asshats.

WHY LASERS OR ENERGY WEAPONS CANNOT BE MEASURED IN MEGATONS

Lasers or other energy type weapons are rated not on destructive force. They are measured in power consumed. Hence, you can have a 100 MEGAWATT laser, but no way can you have a 100 MEGATON laser.

This would be like someone asking, "How many Newtons does it take to move an object?" and getting back "1000 BTU" YES, both measure energy. However, this does not mean you can simply interchange them back and forth.

Explosives are rated on how much TNT it would take to create a similar blast. So, an 800 pound blast would mean it requires 800 pounds of TNT to create a similar explosion. Hence, one megaton means it would take one million tons of TNT to create a similar explosion.

Think I am being silly? Nope. Both measure energy, right? Therefore, someone using your logic can sit there and use ANY unit of energy to answer whatever question they wish.

And as far as the Watt/Joule argument, they are more like converting Imperial Measurements (US scale) to Metric. We ALL know that a Kilogram is NOT the same as a Pound. A Kilometer is NOT the same as a Mile. A Liter is NOT the same as a Gallon.

Now, see what happens in a civil conversation? No insults, no grade school antics, and no bullshit. And things flow so much easier.

ENERGY WEAPON FIREPOWER

First you must ask what do want to know, in this case we want to know how much damage does this weapon do to your potential enemies. Some people say we must use the weapons power consumtion to measure this, but that’s the wrong way to do it. As no weapon is 100% efficient you get Equation xP=Y (where P is the power consumtion, x is efficiency of the gun and Y is the firepower), to get any realistic estimates of the firepower of any weapon we must use energy/power input into the target.

Easiest way to analyze energy weapon is to devide them three categories: bolt weapons, pulse-beam weapons and continuous beam weapons. I’ll deal with each of these now.


Bolt weapons
This weapon type fires an energy “bullet” called a bolt, easiest way analyze the damage done by this kind of weapon is to measure the energy of single bolt then multiple it by number of bolts fired. Any way you end up always with joules in the final answer.

Pulse-beam weapons
This weapon type fires beam that lasts always the same time. You’ll probly want joules (energy) in this as well, since time won’t change and easiest is again to measure the energy of a single pulse.

continuous beam weapons
This weapon type uses a beam that lasts for as long as like it to (or until the weapons overheats due to waste heat). This the only energy weapon type where you should use watt instead of joules as the energy (joules) depends on how long fire the weapon and power (watt) is energy per time used (J/s).


Somebody might ask why can’t use the power consumtion of the weapon. Since we want to know how much damage this weapon does to its target not how much it drains for the main power source and every has inefficiencies that make the actual firepower lower then the power consumtion, the power consumtion is irrelevant as it possible to measure the firepower from the material we have, but not the energy consumtion (remember P=E/t so power consumtion=energy consumtion for time t).

and explosive force is has not it's own unit, tons of TNT is a unit of energy (it's definied in joules)

This would be like someone asking, "How many Newtons does it take to move an object?" and getting back "1000 BTU" YES, both measure energy. However, this does not mean you can simply interchange them back and forth.

Therefore, someone using your logic can sit there and use ANY unit of energy to answer whatever question they wish.

And as far as the Watt/Joule argument, they are more like converting Imperial Measurements (US scale) to Metric. We ALL know that a Kilogram is NOT the same as a Pound. A Kilometer is NOT the same as a Mile. A Liter is NOT the same as a Gallon.

Nah, they just talked about without ever actually locking it.

Anyway, for those who haven't been following that thread, Allgoode has expanded upon one of his previous arguments:

Newtons are a unit for force, not energy. Although i don't expect you know what the difference is.




Let me explain: energy is the capacity to do work, work is force x distance. That is, applying a certain force to an object causing it to move a certain distance requires a certain amount of energy. There are many different forms of energy, e.g. a bullet has kinetic energy, gasoline has chemical potential energy, an axe in mid swing has gravitational potential energy. The SI unit for energy is the joule. All those things can be measured in joules. However, when it comes to big explosions, it's conventional to use the non-SI unit of tons. An explosion is just a rapid release of energy, usually in the form of heat. Tons are just another unit which is used to measure of energy. A megaton is defined to be 4.18 petajoules. It's derivation from the specific combustion energy of TNT (4.184 MJ/kg) does not mean it's not just a unit of energy like joules. Yes, anyone can sit there and use any unit of energy to answer a question resulting in energy, you can 'interchange them back and forth'.




No, because watts and joules aren't just different units of the same quantity. You can measure distance using either kilometers or miles, but you can't use kilograms. Miles measure distance, kilograms measure mass. Watts measure power, joules measure energy. Power = Energy / Time.

Picture water flowing from a tap into a bucket. There might be 10 milliliters flowing into the bucket for every 1 second that passes. Run the tap for 100 seconds, and you have a liter of water in the bucket. I will now christen the unit of 'Flow' to be the Allgoode. I define the Allgoode to be 5 milliliters per second. That tap has a flow of 0.2 Allgoodes. For a duration of 100 seconds, that tap gives a volume of 1 liter. The Watt was defined to be 1 joule per second. For a pulse duration of 100 seconds, a laser with a power of 1 watt gives an energy of 100 joules. Get it now?

No, they do not. You're obviously just pretending to know what you're talking about. I can't believe you wrote that with a straight face. Kinetic energy is measured in joules, just like every other kind of energy. E.g. a 1kg rock moving at 10 metres per second has a kinetic energy of 50 joules. It's extremely basic: KE = 1/2mv^2.

Anyone who has ever taken any kind of physics knows this stuff.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=newton&r=67
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton




No, megatons don't measure 'the entire blast force in ammount of dynamite', they measure the energy released by the explosion based on the energy density of TNT. You can't even get the chemical right: dynamite is stabilised nitro, TNT is completely different.




No, for electrical currents, P=VI. Potential difference is not the same thing as energy. The most common expression for power is P = E/t, and it's measured in units of joules per second, also known as watts. This is simple stuff, you have to admit that you really don't know what you're talking about.

No, you couldn't be more wrong. Yes, miles and kilometers both measure distance, and one is from the metric system and the other is imperial. Watts and joules are NOT from two different metrological systems, measuring the same quantity. They are both SI units, and watts measure power while joules measure energy. Just look at the equation: P=E/t.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=watt&r=67
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=joule

What you're saying is analogous to claiming that velocity and distance are the same thing, and then trying to prove this by saying that pounds and kilograms both measure mass.

Velocity = Distance / Time.
Power = Energy / Time.
You = Are / Wrong.

My statement is true. Magestorm does not know the difference between force and energy, as he's repeatedly shown:


There's nothing personal or vindictive about proving someone wrong, and concluding that they didn't understand what they were talking about.

Is it the policy of this board to censor the truth just because it annoys authority figures?

I had never heard of this board until it was brought up in a Stardestroyer.net thread, and I have a variable IP. Therefore, Magestorm Allgoode lied.

Over there i'm known as Winston Blake. You can see my posts that were deleted in this thread:

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... 00#1394400

You can see that there's no objectionable material either, i simply proved him wrong.

Magestorm, you've shown yourself to be a coward and sore loser. Feel free to ban this account; i won't be coming back again to this sorry corner of internet... you've given your board a bad name.

My disgust with your administrative conduct is currently flowing at 42 megaAllgoodes (read that thread to see what this means).

His IP Domain has been banished, for repeatedly creating new accouts to get around a ban.

If others have problems getting in here because of it, I do apologize. However, this has been forced upon me, because of repeated ban evasions.

TOPIC IS NOW LOCKED. ANY NEW THREADS CONTINUING THIS WIL BE DELETED.

I pmed 2 different complaints to the board's owner. I don't know if we can expect a timely response though; raptorman(the owner) is in the Navy and is currently deployed.

If the admin's away, who's got the Ban Cannon running on full auto? Magestorm isn't an admin, is he?

One of the best things about all this, is if you google Magestorm Allgoode, this thread comes out near the top.

Blah. I would go in; my style tends to grate less than the average SD.net member's, but now he's so riled that anyone gainsaying him would probably be banned even if they hailed him as God-Emperor of Mankind while respectfully disagreeing.

Shipboard offensive capabilities

SW: large bolt class weaponry, and conventional torpedos/rockets. These appear to have energy discharge capability. Proton torpedos use a burst of highly charged protons to annihilate their target. Targeting seems to be lock on dumb missiles for the most part.
ST: Large beam class weaponry, and conventional torpedos. Photon torpedos actually are small matter/antimatter reactions, releasing huge ammounts of damage on the target. Programmable to do a variety of targeting abilities, as seen in Undiscovered Country.

I'm sorry, I can't resist.
Dumb missiles locking on? That's a new one. He contradicted himself within four words.