Live-Action Transformers Film gets Home/Release Date

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-07-23 11:50pm

Oh, and yet again Shadow Warchief seems to be ignorant of the fact that it is the cartoon that is divergent from the comic, rather than the other way around as he incorrectly assumes. The comic created its backstory first, and it was the cartoon that made its dumbed-down kiddie backstory.

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2004-07-23 11:52pm

Personally, I favor the cartoon. The comic never really impressed me.

Hell, they used Galvatron's toy colors, for Cthulhu's sake!

Shadow WarChief · Post by **Shadow WarChief** » 2004-07-23 11:52pm

They've already stated that they're going to have Megatron be a tank and not a gun. The gun has two problems:

-The ridiculous size changing abilities that would cause half the audience to walk out thinking it's just a bad B-movie

-The fact that realistic toy guns are illegal in the US, so they'd be unable to capitalize upon the movie if ol' buckethead had an alt. mode based on a walther p-38

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2004-07-23 11:53pm

Shadow WarChief wrote:They've already stated that they're going to have Megatron be a tank and not a gun. The gun has two problems:

-The ridiculous size changing abilities that would cause half the audience to walk out thinking it's just a bad B-movie

-The fact that realistic toy guns are illegal in the US, so they'd be unable to capitalize upon the movie if ol' buckethead had an alt. mode based on a walther p-38

Wonderful...

Shadow WarChief · Post by **Shadow WarChief** » 2004-07-23 11:54pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Oh, and yet again Shadow Warchief seems to be ignorant of the fact that it is the cartoon that is divergent from the comic, rather than the other way around as he incorrectly assumes. The comic created its backstory first, and it was the cartoon that made its dumbed-down kiddie backstory.

Fine, moan and piss about the divergent continuities all you want. It still doesn't change the fact that BW is based on the cartoon continuity rather than the comic.

ZShade · Post by **ZShade** » 2004-07-23 11:56pm

The G1 3rd season episode, Dweller in the Depths, shows that in the cartoon continuity, Cybertron does have a rocky interior in some places, and also had the Quintessons first attempt at life, the Trans-Organics, who were cyborg animals. Almost, but not quite like techno-organics, from Beast Machines.

Admittedly, I've always prefered the comic, since I think the Quints are a bunch of retards, and I can't see them creating the Transformers. Plus, Unicron a mad scientist's creation? Hell no.

Going back to the movie in development, I'd like to see them use Alternator designs, as a bit of a boost for the toyline.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-07-23 11:57pm

Shadow WarChief wrote:They've already stated that they're going to have Megatron be a tank and not a gun. The gun has two problems:

-The ridiculous size changing abilities that would cause half the audience to walk out thinking it's just a bad B-movie

You underestimate audience SoD, which would mostly already be Transformers fans in the first place and accept it.

Besides, it does have a perfectly rational, accpeted, and official reason for occuring.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2004-07-24 12:00am

Galvatron wrote:
Shadow WarChief wrote:They've already stated that they're going to have Megatron be a tank and not a gun. The gun has two problems:
Wonderful...

I abso-fucking-loutly love the people who, because Megatron cannot be a gun, jump to the conclusion that the movie will be crap.

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2004-07-24 12:03am

I personally have no problem with Cyberton turning out to be a pseudo-Coruscant.

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2004-07-24 12:06am

DPDarkPrimus wrote:I abso-fucking-loutly love the people who, because Megatron cannot be a gun, jump to the conclusion that the movie will be crap.

Then you must be talking about someone else, because that's not me.

I don't expect the movie to be crap, but it indicates to me that they're removing the "shrink factor," which means you're going to have Decepticon seekers who are far larger than their Autobot counterparts in robot mode if they insist on everything being to scale.

That, IMO, sucks.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-07-24 12:12am

Yeah, they apparently are unaware that mass transfer is used by virtually all Transformers in some way or another, because they have to.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2004-07-24 12:19am

Galvatron wrote: I don't expect the movie to be crap, but it indicates to me that they're removing the "shrink factor," which means you're going to have Decepticon seekers who are far larger than their Autobot counterparts in robot mode if they insist on everything being to scale.

That, IMO, sucks.

Somehow, I have a feeling that their statement that "eveyrthing will be to scale" doesn't mean that, precisely.

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2004-07-24 12:21am

It'd be nice if the powers-that-be realize that the "dork fanboys" who grew up watching the Transformers cartoon and begging their parents for the toys are now adults who spend money.

Don't alienate your core audience, gentlemen. Learn from the success of X-Men and Spider-Man.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-07-24 12:23am

Shadow WarChief wrote:
SirNitram wrote: It wasn't on TV and therefore who cares.
Precisely.

The cartoon origin of the Transformers was that they were made by the Quintessons. There's nothing in this origin that disallows Cybertron once being an organic world.

So why do I care about the dumbed-down ripoff of the backstory, precisely? You don't seem to get it, so I'll walk you through. The comic backstory came first. It is not the dumb kiddified crap. All your screeching about 'divergent continuity' applies only to the cartoon.. So go sit on a spike and spin.

Of course, I could be the renegade asshole who points out this is all sliding in to fit with the Armada way of things nicely. After all, none of those Transformers had the size changing problem.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2004-07-24 12:25am

Galvatron wrote:It'd be nice if the powers-that-be realize that the "dork fanboys" who grew up watching the Transformers cartoon and begging their parents for the toys are now adults who spend money.

Don't alienate your core audience, gentlemen. Learn from the success of X-Men and Spider-Man.

Don did state that "Your voices are being heard".

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2004-07-24 12:28am

DPDarkPrimus wrote:Don did state that "Your voices are being heard".

That's why I have hope.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-07-24 12:42am

Galvatron wrote:
DPDarkPrimus wrote:Don did state that "Your voices are being heard".
That's why I have hope.

Wait, you're the leader of a branch of a race of intelligent, transforming machines; just point your fusion cannon and order him to do it!

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2004-07-24 12:44am

If anyone mentions the fricking Quintessons again I'm going to cry.

Its a shame that the cartoon is so crap. I imagine most fans only ever watched the cartoon; so marketing-wise the movie will doubtless be cartoon oriented. This is a Bad Thing.

I don't like the idea of BM (not that I've seen it) because its stupid. Why would Megatron convert everyone into mindless slaves? Whats the point? Where's the pathos? How does this satisfy the guy that wants to 1) build the ultimate weapon 2) destroy the Autobots and 3) conquer the universe?

I just wanna see Thunderwing bash Prime over the head with the (proper, glowing green magic) Matrix. I'd pay real money. Sadly, we'll probably either get stupid DW warp-gate scifi cliched rubbish or Earthbound transformers with the Ark stuck in Mt St Helens. *sigh* The whole 'focussed on orginal mythology' scares me. But hey; I'm in the minority, so I don't expect anything. I honestly consider War Within probably the best story from a movie perspective; shame they just don't make that.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-07-24 12:46am

Galvatron has a laser cannon, not a fusion cannon.

Megatron had the fusion cannon.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2004-07-24 12:48am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Galvatron has a laser cannon, not a fusion cannon.

Megatron had the fusion cannon.

Deary me. Back-of-the-box trivia all round

Post by **fgalkin** » 2004-07-24 12:52am

Stark wrote: I don't like the idea of BM (not that I've seen it) because its stupid. Why would Megatron convert everyone into mindless slaves? Whats the point? Where's the pathos? How does this satisfy the guy that wants to 1) build the ultimate weapon 2) destroy the Autobots and 3) conquer the universe?

1) Wrong Megatron, 2) he doesn't convert anyone. He kills them off and replaces them with spark-less drones

3) Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-07-24 12:55am

Stark wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Galvatron has a laser cannon, not a fusion cannon.

Megatron had the fusion cannon.
Deary me. Back-of-the-box trivia all round

I was responding to JME2, but then you sneaked in and posted before I did, you bastard!!

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2004-07-24 12:56am

fgalkin wrote:
Stark wrote: I don't like the idea of BM (not that I've seen it) because its stupid. Why would Megatron convert everyone into mindless slaves? Whats the point? Where's the pathos? How does this satisfy the guy that wants to 1) build the ultimate weapon 2) destroy the Autobots and 3) conquer the universe?

1) Wrong Megatron, 2) he doesn't convert anyone. He kills them off and replaces them with spark-less drones

3) Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

LOL I just remember Megatron saying that all the time

I thought he messed with their sparks(ick) somehow; I've just read plot synopses. Once the damn things come out on DVD in zone 4 I'll be able to find out I guess.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-07-24 01:00am

Megatron destroyed all the Transformers on Cybertron and put their sparks in the Chamber of All Sparks, specifically. So they're both dead and alive, in a way...

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2004-07-24 01:00am

Stark wrote:I just wanna see Thunderwing bash Prime over the head with the (proper, glowing green magic) Matrix.

How Thunderwing became a prominent character in the comics I'll never understand. You realize that the Matrix was shown first in the movie and therefore it is the proper depiction, yes?

Stark wrote:I'd pay real money. Sadly, we'll probably either get stupid DW warp-gate scifi cliched rubbish or Earthbound transformers with the Ark stuck in Mt St Helens. *sigh* The whole 'focussed on orginal mythology' scares me. But hey; I'm in the minority, so I don't expect anything. I honestly consider War Within probably the best story from a movie perspective; shame they just don't make that.

Well, the whole "robots in disguise" premise is sorta lost if they're not on modern-day Earth transforming into cars, trucks, and planes.