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Mayabird wrote:Darksoul, if you're going to make several idiotic and generally worthless posts in a row, at least have the courtesy to combine them in one single idiotic and generally worthless post instead of spamming up the already enormous thread. Also learn to stop sucking at your typing. Don't make me start barreling.

take into consideration that I don`t speak English very well. I`m not a native speaker nor have I been properly educated in the language. My means of participation in the thread are also meager and does not allow me control on the time and opportunity I can post, so I do it as soon as I can as often as I can. I do not suck at typing on purpose. I will however, keep an eye on the amount of consecutive postings from now on.

Also I would like to be treated with some respect, specially from someone who has the dty to be fair. Calling a post worthless in a thread that is all about opinions and has everything from serious physical speculation to polling about finding a slang term is rude and very unprofessional. Do keep one of your eyes on such labelings when applying discipline in the future.

EDIT: Actually, I reread the rules and I would like that last paragraph to not be taken into account. I apologize for that. I resented it, though.
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Btw, is there any info on what to do with the nazis in Hell? Not the famous ones, the normal, "I just shoot him because my boss told me" kind....
I don't see why not "the same as we did with their First-Lifer counterparts." It's a legitimate question, but I can see them needing more 're-indoctrination' than Germans of other periods to "get them up to speed," something that might be especially needed after the wake of the infamous Guillaume rampage*... though Lee's treatment is an possible precedent. (Mitigated of course by the fact that he lived well past the end of the ACW... or rather, its "major combat operations" phase.)

* An example in Stas Bush's story of someone not taking the changes to Earth well at all, and unwilling to let go an outdated grudge of his and his men's own.
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Edward Yee wrote:
Btw, is there any info on what to do with the nazis in Hell? Not the famous ones, the normal, "I just shoot him because my boss told me" kind....
I don't see why not "the same as we did with their First-Lifer counterparts." It's a legitimate question, but I can see them needing more 're-indoctrination' than Germans of other periods to "get them up to speed," something that might be especially needed after the wake of the infamous Guillaume rampage*... though Lee's treatment is an possible precedent. (Mitigated of course by the fact that he lived well past the end of the ACW... or rather, its "major combat operations" phase.)

* An example in Stas Bush's story of someone not taking the changes to Earth well at all, and unwilling to let go an outdated grudge of his and his men's own.
Good catch there. I can think of some people who were still refighting the civil war well into the 1960s...and one or two I know who are still refighting it (albeit in a more tongue-in-cheek manner).
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Nobody spit on his ribs or gave him a hard time
Same rib joint Fancy took Sipowicz?
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Hello, long-time Salvation War lurking reader and first-time poster here. I was finally convinced to make an account here to post by, of all things, the discussion on bicycles. You'd have thought that regular readers of TSW, if anybody, would have learned to start thinking in portals by now.... :twisted:

I'm sure the bicycle industry proposed by Uncluttered could very well not just work, but thrive massively like it never has before, given a parallel ramp-up in mass production of portal generators, to the point where every small town/suburb can have at least one civilian-spec generator along with a sensitive to operate it. You may have larger permanent portals for certain key installations such as powerplants, harbours etc. etc., while large cities may have several such perma-portals scattered all around in several sectors for accessibility (one per current subway station would be a start).

With Yahweh gone, the :angelic: will have a bunch of temples that they now have no use for; requisition a sufficiently large one (which shouldn't be an issue given the size these temples need to be to house congregations of :angelic: ), plant portal beacons in a set grid layout, and have generators all over the country aimed at said beacons. Voila, you have the portal version of Grand Central Station writ large overnight. Americans all over the country just need to bike to the local portal station every morning, transit to Grand Central America (Heaven), bike to the portal which will deposit them at the city subway station nearest to the workplace (enjoying the fresh air of Heaven along the way; this is why you don't put said Grand Central in Hell, incidentally :twisted: ), work through a 1-2 mile commute at most, and be at work in about an hour, tops.

And that's just America. The Eternal City, if it's as big as I'm thinking, should certainly have enough abandoned temples to spare as converted transit interchanges for every country on Earth. Since Yahweh's temple is probably the biggest, you'll probably have to reserve that one for the PRC folks, given the sheer volume of manpower the Chinese will have to go through every day. :lol:

And there you have it. The streets of First World cities will come to resemble cleaner, more orderly versions of the streets of Beijing a decade ago, the average health of the world population will probably see a trend of increase, automobile fuel costs will cease to be an issue for the average First-World household, the already-ailing Detroit automobile industry will probably disappear overnight (or converted to military purposes, who knows), and said automobiles will be relegated to mass cargo movers, ambulances, fire engines, and racing hobbyists in time. The premier motorsports event will shift from the exorbitant F1 Grand Prix to the Tour de Heaven, with Second-Lifer Lance Armstrong winning the championship title for the umpteenth year running. The Stig would probably be rollin' in his grave about this time, if he can't be found in Hell somewhere. :twisted:
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I still think a textile industry might be a good way for the heavenly economy to go, because it's a field they'll already have some experience in, even if their knowledge of the materials and fashions is a bit out of date. A jewelry industry is an even more obvious one, based on their treasure-trove of precious stones, but wouldn't employ all that many people. Luxury resorts are also an option, given heaven's ideal climate and a lot of people with a lot of experience in pampering; that's assuming a peaceful and secure situation, however.

But bicycles would be a good transport upgrade for heavensent humans, certainly. Being seconnd-lifers, they wouldn't get tired the way first life humans do, so self-powered transport works a little better, and it might also lead to some small-scale export. I'd take issue with the blank statements before that cycling is never a major option in rich settings: the city of Cambridge in the UK is rich enough, but over 10% of the population use bikes as their primary transport option, partly because the city's well built for it (better than it is for cars). And apparently 30% of all trips in the Netherlands are made by bicycle.
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darksoul wrote:Some demons are trying to be like humans, aren't they?
Therefore, they will try to do what's popular with us, won't they?
And what's popular with us today is... Justin Bieber.
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How's that for shock value?
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fuck... don`t use it all up, I`m gonna need a lot of bleach myself...
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(I'd also be tempted to set off a thermite grenade in my lap...)
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Nematocyst wrote: Some demons are trying to be like humans, aren't they?
Therefore, they will try to do what's popular with us, won't they?
This alone is cause for worry. Imagine internet access being made widely available to demons.

Suddenly you have demons trolling amongst Anonymous or going to fansites and engaging in inane shipping arguments.

*shudder* As if there weren't already enough human crazies on the Net.
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That's all BEFORE the demons find out about porn... and I don't mean about human sexuality (when consented to that is), I mean porn...
GrayAnderson wrote:Good catch there. I can think of some people who were still refighting the civil war well into the 1960s...and one or two I know who are still refighting it (albeit in a more tongue-in-cheek manner).
I also cite the Guillaume rampage because it was one of the central incidents (shown, anyway) in the troubles that've been referenced in Pantheocide with the Russian zone of occupation in Hell... but yeah, it's not just the American Civil War that could have little resurgences either, the culture clash potential is huge considering how long it'll take to pull so many out of the Hellpit, and that a likely-wide majority of them are from now-nonexistent city- or nation-states; it's not just the Hellpit that could have broken so many...

Although, speaking of the ACW, I expect Petraeus to call Nathan Bedford Forrest into his office for a "discussion" regarding his own application for a field command... for maximum LULZ, do it from Forrest's perspective, where seeing as Lee was allowed to apply and given a (noncombat) command, Forrest can't see what's the issue in his own case. :twisted:

It was funny to see the Abigor/Petraeus scene that Stas Bush wrote, simply because I don't think Stuart will ever allow a scene with Petraeus getting shown up to be canon. :lol:
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Edward Yee wrote:That's all BEFORE the demons find out about porn... and I don't mean about human sexuality (when consented to that is), I mean porn...
Which raises the question; if the demons' "sausages" are supposed to be barbed (as Jade Kim found out the hard way), how are they supposed to....you know.... :shock:
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You know, if it's my business asking:

I've been curious as to why the deamons refer to angels as "Never-born". Maybe I missed it?
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It is unknown at the moment. It does imply intelligent design, though.
It is clearly meant as an insult, but doesn't that insult apply to themselves as well?
Perhaps the process that transformed angels to demons is some kind of 'birth'. But I remember Memnon using the phrase 'Once-born' to refer to humans, and that was also meant as an insult. Does this mean demons are birthed more than once?
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The story is moving along quite nicely Stuart. I'm looking forward to the coming meeting.

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Edward Yee wrote:That's all BEFORE the demons find out about porn... and I don't mean about human sexuality (when consented to that is), I mean porn...
You do realize that daemons finding out porn wil lead to baldrick porn on itself right?
interracial suddenly has a new meaning...
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R011 wrote: Same rib joint Fancy took Sipowicz?
*Confused Blink* The place in question was actually in Brixton, London. My significant other of the time took me there. Oddly, it was something I had long forgotten (it was almost thirty years ago after all - good ribs back then were pretty rare in London, in fact there were only two places that did them. Tony Roma's just off the Strand and Chicago Meatpackers in Whitehall. This was number three and beat both of them) but the event came vividly to mind when Vastatosaurus Rex did his weird thread on "I want to buy a gun to protect my Nubian Princess who I haven't even met yet." I suspect it's quite a common right-of-passage for mixed-race couples. I thought it was worth putting in though.
Btw, is there any info on what to do with the nazis in Hell? Not the famous ones, the normal, "I just shoot him because my boss told me" kind.
One, who was wanted for war crimes, got picked up and taken away by the Israelies.
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I wonder about prosecuting criminals found in hell. I mean, they were sentenced to death and their punishment was given out. Shouldn't they be free now?
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StarStorm wrote:You know, if it's my business asking: I've been curious as to why the deamons refer to angels as "Never-born". Maybe I missed it?
Maybe Yah-yah told the angels that he created them through his divine will, and most of the angels were dumb enough or afraid enough of Yah-yah to believe it. Perhaps the demons use it to mock the angels.

I could be wrong, though. Maybe Stuart will explain.
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JBG wrote:I would not in the least be surprised to hear that Filthy Animal Taylor was some sort of diminutive daemon. Same with Lemmy.
I think it might be more plausible for it to turn out that Lemmy's a Nephilim. Of course, The Salvation War puts a new spin on Stryper's song "To Hell with the Devil". :twisted:
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Stuart wrote:
Btw, is there any info on what to do with the nazis in Hell? Not the famous ones, the normal, "I just shoot him because my boss told me" kind.
One, who was wanted for war crimes, got picked up and taken away by the Israelies.
But most of the Nazis were not prosecuted after the war. The ones in the Western Zone, anyway. I suspect Stalin had a longer memory and more gulags. I know they kept POWs as labor for years. I suspect the SS were treated the worst.

But the run of the mill SS soldier in the West, and even most officers, just found themnself out of a job, just like the run of the mill Soldat. They died natural deaths in their own time.
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CaptainChewbacca wrote:I wonder about prosecuting criminals found in hell. I mean, they were sentenced to death and their punishment was given out. Shouldn't they be free now?
That also depends on who's doing the prosecuting. I imagine that Israelis would have no trouble resentencing every single one of the Nazis executed by the Nuremberg court if they found them.
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Nematocyst wrote:It is unknown at the moment. It does imply intelligent design, though.
It is clearly meant as an insult, but doesn't that insult apply to themselves as well?
Perhaps the process that transformed angels to demons is some kind of 'birth'. But I remember Memnon using the phrase 'Once-born' to refer to humans, and that was also meant as an insult. Does this mean demons are birthed more than once?
darksoul wrote: fuck... don`t use it all up, I`m gonna need a lot of bleach myself...
And what's worse is that sending him to meditate on his actions and contemplate the future won't fix the problem...
I have the weird feeling that I have found this somewhere. Maybe it`s some kind of biblic reference of sorts, although I`m not entirely sure. But, as speculation goes:
These nicks refer to the original Sin. The angels were the never born, those free from the original sin of man, which is carried by all once-borns at birth until their souls are redeemed by faith in Christ the Savior.

Again, I didn`t create this just now. It was in my head, so I must have read it somewhere. I just don`t know where.
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Ilya Muromets wrote:
CaptainChewbacca wrote:I wonder about prosecuting criminals found in hell. I mean, they were sentenced to death and their punishment was given out. Shouldn't they be free now?
That also depends on who's doing the prosecuting. I imagine that Israelis would have no trouble resentencing every single one of the Nazis executed by the Nuremberg court if they found them.
Of course, against their sentences you've got the fact that they've been tortured 24/7 ever since the original executions were carried out...

Also, in terms of chasing them: against the eternal torture carried out by every demon in Hell, and the complicity of Heaven in sending all souls there, how the hell do you weight human crimes anymore? Even the greatest and most horrendous seem pretty petty by comparison.

This all raises a larger question, of course: how do you enforce laws in hell? After an eternity of suffering, there's not much that you can really threaten people with; and although locking criminals away would stop them hurting others, and executing them should stop them hurting others within U1 or U2, both rather lose their function as a deterrent compared to what's already been experienced.
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Ilya Muromets wrote:
CaptainChewbacca wrote:I wonder about prosecuting criminals found in hell. I mean, they were sentenced to death and their punishment was given out. Shouldn't they be free now?
That also depends on who's doing the prosecuting. I imagine that Israelis would have no trouble resentencing every single one of the Nazis executed by the Nuremberg court if they found them.
I would actually have a hard time with that. One thing is to chase after Nazi's that escaped prosecution and charge them for the crimes they conducted. However to go after people that where already sentenced for there crimes and the sentence carried out is another thing and would set a bad precedent.
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I don't mean to trivialize the atrocities committed by the Nazis, but how is humanity going to progress if they use the Second Life as an excuse to pursue grudges from the First Life?
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Deebles wrote: This all raises a larger question, of course: how do you enforce laws in hell? After an eternity of suffering, there's not much that you can really threaten people with; and although locking criminals away would stop them hurting others, and executing them should stop them hurting others within U1 or U2, both rather lose their function as a deterrent compared to what's already been experienced.
Rehabilitation seems to be the only course. Failing that...life imprisonment isn't fair, I don't care who it is. Being consigned to a small cell for, quite literally, all eternity is not right. Execution would seem to be the only course, working with the idea that Second Lifers just go into the Atheist-foretold Oblivion when their heads get popped. Unless the Minos gate is the key to further realms, in which case, the worst thing we could do is execute them as such. Imagine if you executed every single Nazi you find that was convicted of war crimes, and failed rehab, and then they died and went to a bubbleworld where there's no sentient life. They could easily rebuild there, their own little fiefdom.
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