Avatar - Forest of the dead

[lazerus]

Geez, people should realise this is an "Avatar bashing fic" bashing fic. Next I am going to have General Zod push the moon into the Earth during the events of Superman II, where the Kryptonians lecture Kal-el on how primitive and barbaric the humans of the 20 th century are. Therefore its ok to kill them. Although I think that would be even more subtle than this fic.

No matter what kind of fic it was "supposed" to be, it wasn't interesting, it wasn't fun to read, and it wasn't funny. Therefore, it's bad. Maybe it was meant to be a highly over-the-top mockery of Avatar-Bashing fics, but if so, it fell flat and just came across as equally insipid for all the same reasons.

Ah, the "I was only following orders" argument. In the modern world its now become we are just "punch clock" workers right. Because killing the bad guys is wrong apparently. I sure wonder whether lazerus complains about the Doctor killing fleets of Daleks in "Journey's end" and an entire planet of Time Lords in "End of time", because I am going to say in those episodes he killed more individuals than he did in this fan fic. But thats ok, those bad guys really deserved it, unlike RDA employees who were just following orders? AM I RITE?

Try again, dipshit. I clearly stated that the RDA was evil, that doesn't mean I enjoy seeing the employees slaughtered. The Nazi's were evil, would I read a fanfic all about feeding hundreds of Nazi's to the Vashta Nerada? No, because that, like this fanfic, would be utterly retarded. Instead of punishing those responsible proportionate to their crimes and resolving the underlying conflict so that Humanity and the Navi can work together, the Doctor uses his awesome power to butcher humans like cattle, and in doing so ensures that the Navi will be primitive forever.

God like power, and all he uses it for is to be an arrogant, superior dick, addressing the immediate problem while making the underlying one's much worse, all with a double dose of the new-doctors holier-then-thou attitude.

The Doctor is more Mary sueish than usual. I suppose if John Sheriden's whitestar fleet turns up and defeats RDA's ships it would be Mary Sueish too, right? The fact is Avatar is a low powered sci fi setting, even less powerful than Star Trek. Doctor Who is a high end setting. By sheer difference in power the Doctor will automatically seem Mary Sueish. Seem being the definite word, because having the more powerful setting dominate the lesser setting is what you would expect.

No, he was Mary Sue'ish not because of his power -- but because he can do no wrong. Because he uses that power in an utterly ham-fisted way. Because he doesn't even try to address the fundamental problem, use subtly, or ensure that people are punished proportionate to what must be done. It's flat out, "If you agree with me, you're good, if you don't, eaten by aggressive nanite swarms." The fic clearly writes him as the hero when in reality, he's pretty much the worst of the canon Doctor rolled into one fanfic.

Its also ridiculous on the surface when you have the Doctor saved not just one planet, but the WHOLE universe, how many times now? I mean he did it in "Journey's end", "The End of Time", "Logopolis", etc etc. But apparently just saving one planet makes him MORE Mary Sueish. WTF. Moreover he does it against high end technological foes which will make RDA shit in their pants, but hey, whatever.

Again, not because of his power, but because he, like you, is written as an utter moron, as gung-ho for slaughter against "The Bad Guys" as the military stereotype he opposes.

Also I believe it was NecronLord's idea, not mine that the Na'vi benefit from the Library technology. The technology the Doctor gave Jake was from elsewhere, and he was the only Na'vi who would have an idea how to use technology more advanced than bows and arrows.

Yes, I was pointing out the flaw in NecronLord's idea. That was not directed at you.

Sheesh, if you are going to criticise it, at least apply fair standard to things like what constitutes being "More Mary Sueish" than usual, or how about criticise ideas I made (as opposed to suggested by another poster). Yeah thats a thought.

Why the fuck should I? Your fanfic blew like a cheap whore. It's "morality" would be hilariously hypocritical if it weren't so pathetic, the writing is shitty, the characterization is worse, and it manages to make the main character so unlikeable that the RDA seems okay -- because hey, which is worse, psuedo-conquistadors or a vengeful, petty, mass-murdering god?

[mr friendly guy]

No matter what kind of fic it was "supposed" to be, it wasn't interesting, it wasn't fun to read, and it wasn't funny. Therefore, it's bad. Maybe it was meant to be a highly over-the-top mockery of Avatar-Bashing fics, but if so, it fell flat and just came across as equally insipid for all the same reasons.

Its bashing those fics by using the same arguments RDA apologists used, but turning it against them. Even Ugolino who wrote his own avatar bashing fic got the reference, or at least can see where I was coming from.

Try again, dipshit. I clearly stated that the RDA was evil, that doesn't mean I enjoy seeing the employees slaughtered. The Nazi's were evil, would I read a fanfic all about feeding hundreds of Nazi's to the Vashta Nerada? No, because that, like this fanfic, would be utterly retarded.

Nice dodge chickenshit. You tried to play down their evil by saying they were only "punch clock" workers. That was the thrust of that particular criticism, but I see you want to change the topic to something else. Hey, when you can't win the argument you are in, change it to one you can. AM I RITE?

Instead of punishing those responsible proportionate to their crimes and resolving the underlying conflict so that Humanity and the Navi can work together, the Doctor uses his awesome power to butcher humans like cattle, and in doing so ensures that the Navi will be primitive forever.

News flash. The Na'vi pretty much resisted the advances humans were offering them (Selfridge stated that in what the opening half an hour of the film and Jake pretty much reported they didn't want anything humans had to give) so blaming the Doctor for keeping the Na'vi primitive is pure bullshitting on your part. Keeping them primitive FOREVER takes your retardation to whole new levels. But hey I am sure you understand Avatar so well and you have a mind link with James Cameron so you know they will be primitive forever is some outside race doesn't give them technology.

As for punishing those responsibile proportionate to their crimes, were we even watching the same film? I guess not since you got holier than thou over keeping the Na'vi primitive forever when it was obvious to anyone who isn't a moron the thing keeping them primitive wasn't some outside force. Dumbass.

God like power, and all he uses it for is to be an arrogant, superior dick, addressing the immediate problem while making the underlying one's much worse, all with a double dose of the new-doctors holier-then-thou attitude.

News flash. Thats how he is written. Minus the making the underlying problem worse since you haven't actually explain how that is so compared to what would happen if the Na'vi were left to their own devices. Give you a hint since you are too retarded to count. The Na'vi fielded several thousand warriors. RDA would not have high numbers. If he left them alone the Na'vi would have taken high casualties, more so then what the Doctor inflicted on RDA. Ergo he saved more lives than what would happen. But I guess the lives of murdering aggressors are more important than primitives defending themselves. Now address this point.

No doubt you are going to shift the goalposts like you did earlier and say he could have come up with a better plan which ends up with everyone holding hands and singing songs or some shit. But guess what? That statement that he makes the underlying problem worse is still unsupported except by the drugs you're smoking.

No, he was Mary Sue'ish not because of his power -- but because he can do no wrong. Because he uses that power in an utterly ham-fisted way. Because he doesn't even try to address the fundamental problem, use subtly, or ensure that people are punished proportionate to what must be done. It's flat out, "If you agree with me, you're good, if you don't, eaten by aggressive nanite swarms." The fic clearly writes him as the hero when in reality, he's pretty much the worst of the canon Doctor rolled into one fanfic..

Lets ignore the fact that he used the same MO with the Racnoss and did worse because he pretty much genocided the race. So either way your claim its MORE Mary Sueish than he is in the series falls flat because by your logic he did more wrong in his own series and is still potrayed as the hero.

Again, not because of his power, but because he, like you, is written as an utter moron, as gung-ho for slaughter against "The Bad Guys" as the military stereotype he opposes..

Wow, the bloated septic tank can make up a new definition of Mary Sue.

Why the fuck should I? ?

Yeah, how dare I suggest you criticise things which ACTUALLY happened in the story.

I mean you are the oh so great lazerus you don't need to justify any claim. You don't like it. Fine. It was meant as a purely bashing fic the same way Star Trek bashing or Star Wars bashing fics are written. However you are a fucking retard and have made numerous bullshit statements like

a) playing down RDA's evil by saying they were punch clock workers when they were mercenaries. You then run away like the little chickenshit you are when I pointed that out, in favour of changing the argument. Bet you are going to run away some more in the next reply.

b) saying the Doctor is shown to be a greater Mary Sue than in his own series, even by which aspects you considered Mary Sueish that isn't true. He is written consistent with some of the behaviour he has demonstrated so accusing me of potraying him inaccurately is utter rubbish.

c) The doctor is keeping the Na'vi primitive forever. I bet you are going to run away from this point too, because your chicken little is coming out to play.

d) The Doctor is making the problem worse. Yeah I guess those dead Na'vi warriors who would have attacked anyway would agree with you. Gosh you're a retard.

Your fanfic blew like a cheap whore. It's "morality" would be hilariously hypocritical if it weren't so pathetic, the writing is shitty, the characterization is worse, and it manages to make the main character so unlikeable that the RDA seems okay -- because hey, which is worse, psuedo-conquistadors or a vengeful, petty, mass-murdering god?

So why don't you address the point I made earlier? Did you also complain when the Doctor did even worse to the Daleks and the Time Lords. Or does RDA personel have a special place in your heart considering your laughable reading of the morality of the situation seems to be a one sided analysis.

[lazerus]

Its bashing those fics by using the same arguments RDA apologists used, but turning it against them. Even Ugolino who wrote his own avatar bashing fic got the reference, or at least can see where I was coming from.

Yes, and I got where you were coming from, but it's not funny, or fun, or interesting. I get what you're trying to parody, but it's still not good.

Nice dodge chickenshit. You tried to play down their evil by saying they were only "punch clock" workers. That was the thrust of that particular criticism, but I see you want to change the topic to something else. Hey, when you can't win the argument you are in, change it to one you can. AM I RITE?

As usual, no, you aren't. Punch clock villains may still be evil, but they don't necessarily all deserve to die. Not every member of the German Army is a war criminal, not every Germany citizen who collaborated with the Nazi regime deserves to be killed. By calling the punch-clock villains I indicated that while what they did was wrong, I felt no particular hostility towards them, and so derived no pleasure from watching them die.

News flash. The Na'vi pretty much resisted the advances humans were offering them (Selfridge stated that in what the opening half an hour of the film and Jake pretty much reported they didn't want anything humans had to give) so blaming the Doctor for keeping the Na'vi primitive is pure bullshitting on your part. Keeping them primitive FOREVER takes your retardation to whole new levels. But hey I am sure you understand Avatar so well and you have a mind link with James Cameron so you know they will be primitive forever is some outside race doesn't give them technology.

As for punishing those responsibile proportionate to their crimes, were we even watching the same film? I guess not since you got holier than thou over keeping the Na'vi primitive forever when it was obvious to anyone who isn't a moron the thing keeping them primitive wasn't some outside force. Dumbass.

Newsflash, fucktard -- steady with more technologically advanced civilization advances your civilization. The RDA was, indirectly, pushing the Navi to advance, they were just committing terrible warcrimes in the process, making it a net loss. A good solution would have been for the doctor to allow the humans to mine some Unobtanium in exchange for maintaining their network of schools across Pandora, and offering the Navi technologically advanced items in trade. What you call "bribes" is what sane people call "an offer." The doctor just needs to make sure that the Navi have the power to say no, so if they don't want the shiny toy that goes bling, they don't have to take it.

In other words, a reasonable solution would have been to keep the two civilizations in contact so the Navi can advance, while simultaneously protecting them from aggression or extortion.

Instead he just kills all the humans returning the Navi to their blissful, ignorant isolation.

News flash. Thats how he is written.

Cite it.

But I guess the lives of murdering aggressors are more important than primitives defending themselves.

No, you're just stupid and my point went over your head.

Lets ignore the fact that he used the same MO with the Racnoss and did worse because he pretty much genocided the race.

"Waah! He committed genocide! He is so evil! The skies turn dark in his presence and demons sing his name!"

Wait, no.

He killed one adult of the species, and one ship full of youngsters. Call it, maybe, a few thousand counts of murder, if we're *really* generous about the contents of that ship. Don't get me wrong, mass murder is still really bad, but he killed a few thousand members of his most hated enemy when the death of billions of humans was on the table if he didn't. That is hardly comparable to slaying all the humans who were clearly terrified of him and has no chance against his overwhelming firepower.

[mr friendly guy]

As usual, no, you aren't. Punch clock villains may still be evil, but they don't necessarily all deserve to die. Not every member of the German Army is a war criminal, not every Germany citizen who collaborated with the Nazi regime deserves to be killed. By calling the punch-clock villains I indicated that while what they did was wrong, I felt no particular hostility towards them, and so derived no pleasure from watching them die.

I got that part moron. What I was criticising is how you downplayed them, as "just trying to keep their heads down" when its clear those the Doctor killed where mercenaries, who if they somehow didn't know what they were getting into at the start, it was drilled into their heads at the very beginning when they arrived on Pandora.

Newsflash, fucktard -- steady with more technologically advanced civilization advances your civilization.

Hey dumbshit, the Na'vi were refusing those advances anyway. In effect the Doctor changed nothing in terms of their technological development.

The RDA was, indirectly, pushing the Navi to advance, they were just committing terrible warcrimes in the process, making it a net loss. A good solution would have been for the doctor to allow the humans to mine some Unobtanium in exchange for maintaining their network of schools across Pandora, and offering the Navi technologically advanced items in trade.

Where you watching the same movie retard? The humans were already mining some of the Unobtanium. The conflict arose because they got greedy and wanted more. The humans had already tried offering the Na'vi things which they didn't want. Therefore the Doctor didn't ensure the Na'vi would remain primitive at the present, they were already making that choice themselves. Therefore your claim that it was the Doctor's fault is full of shit just like you. Now show some evidence that the Na'vi would have taken up the technology or else concede the point. But I bet you will dodge it right?

What you call "bribes" is what sane people call "an offer."

The semantic whoring. Whether is a bribe or an offer, the point is the Na'vi were shown to not want it fuckwit. Once again the Doctors actions contributed nothing to leaving them primitive, yet alone primitive FOOOOREVER.

The doctor just needs to make sure that the Navi have the power to say no, so if they don't want the shiny toy that goes bling, they don't have to take it.

Once again they already made the choice in the movie.

In other words, a reasonable solution would have been to keep the two civilizations in contact so the Navi can advance, while simultaneously protecting them from aggression or extortion.

This does not support your statement that the Doctor made the existing situation worse. You know, the one where the Na'vi will attack and take tremendous losses. You know the one when the Na'vi will win anyway and still severe contact with the humans (except a few). Geez, that sounds like the situation the Doctor left them in but with less overall casualties. Now back up your bullshit claims that a) the Doctor left them primitive forever and b) he made existing situation worse or concede the point coward.

Instead he just kills all the humans returning the Navi to their blissful, ignorant isolation.

Now I have absolute proof that you are a dishonest turd. He kills ALL the humans. Did you even fucking read the story properly? When can I get your concession? But I bet you will just shift the goalposts right? You do realise the Na'vi would be in the "blissful, ignorant isolation" without the Doctor's actions right? Therefore he could not have made the situation worse in that regard.

News flash. Thats how he is written.

Cite it.

You have seen the show right?

1. You have read the examples I have cited where he essential casts judgment on an entire planet of Time Lords right?

2. You did read the posts previously where he does exactly the same thing to the Racnoss.

3. You have seen the Christmas Invasion where in a moment of arrogance he brings down Harriet Jone's sovereign and democratically elected government because he didn't like one decision.

4. You did see human nature / family of blood where he punishes members of the family with essentially eternal suffering for a finite crime because it personally effected him emotionally didn't you.

5. You did see how he and Donna essentially killed more Daleks than RDA mercenaries.

6. You did see him freeing a criminal go because he got on well with her in Planet of the Dead.

7. You did see him breaking the laws of time because he felt like it in Water of Mars and becoming the "Time Lord Victorious"

Now lets see what you said.

God like power, and all he uses it for is to be an arrogant, superior dick, addressing the immediate problem while making the underlying one's much worse, all with a double dose of the new-doctors holier-then-thou attitude.

Arrogance - I would say all those examples. Being a superior dick is a subjective thing, however example four fits the bill since the Family's crime was only finite but he punished them with eternal imprisonment (ie an infinite punishment).

I don't care if you dislike how the Doctor is potrayed in his own show. I do however take issue with your claim that I have someone potrayed him incorrectly. But then if you watch the show with the same level of detail your watched Avatar its obvious now how a dumbshit like you could fail to see the point.

But I guess the lives of murdering aggressors are more important than primitives defending themselves.

No, you're just stupid and my point went over your head.

What an dishonest turd you are, with your selective quoting.
Lets summarise for you. You claimed the Doctor's actions made the situation worse. Given that the Na'vi would have taken more casualties than RDA had numbers the Doctors actions saved more lives because the Na'vi wouldn't have to fight RDA anymore. The only way the situation could be worse is if somehow a human life from RDA is worth more than several Na'vi. This point you refused point blank to address, because, maybe it would require you to concede that your original statement about making the situation worse is utter bunk.

You again refuse to defend your contention that the Doctor made things worse by changing the topic and talking about how you would write the story. Combined with a selective quoting and appealing to your own personal opinion, and we have a winner.

Now why don't you address how the Doctor made the situation worse, unless you really do think the life of a human is worth several Na'vi?

"Waah! He committed genocide! He is so evil! The skies turn dark in his presence and demons sing his name!"

OMG, you can appeal to your personal incredulity. Maybe we should concede in the presence of your awe inspiring stupidity.

Wait, no.

He killed one adult of the species, and one ship full of youngsters. Call it, maybe, a few thousand counts of murder, if we're *really* generous about the contents of that ship.

Actually he killed the youngsters. The queen was killed by the orders of Harold Saxon.
Your stupidity knows no bounds I see. Either that you are a dishonest turd, because the fact this was the last of the Racnoss was a fucking plot point.

The fact that the queen and her brood were the last of the Racnoss flew over your head? If a nation leaves only one member of an ethnic group alive it would be counted as genocide by the UN.

Meanwhile, lazerus finds out that the mercenaries employed by RDA are clearly not the last of the humans. Therefore what he did to the Racnoss as a whole was worse and was genocide.

Don't get me wrong, mass murder is still really bad, but he killed a few thousand members of his most hated enemy when the death of billions of humans was on the table if he didn't.

The Racnoss was his most hated enemy? What the fuck are you smoking boy?

I can imagine a one of those quiz nights in a group where one of the questions is, In Doctor Who, which alien is the title character's most hated enemy?

Random Doctor who fan 1 : Daleks.
Random member of the public : Daleks.
Lazerus : THE RACNOSS

This is no doubt more of your usual and utterly worthless hyperbole.

That is hardly comparable to slaying all the humans who were clearly terrified of him and has no chance against his overwhelming firepower.

Yeah you are right. Its not comparable because he didn't genocide the humans in my story.

Once again just for you, I don't care if you hate the Doctor as a character. I do care that you accuse me to writing him differently from how he is potrayed in the show when a wealth of evidence shows he has done worse. Oh I forgot, killing bug eye monsters is less bad than killing evil humans.

I also don't care if you like the fic or not. I do care that a lot of your criticism is based on things WHICH DIDN'T OCCUR in the story. You know the part where he kills all the humans, the part where he makes things worse, the part where the Na'vi remain primitives because of him. The fact that you make, like one criticism of events which actually did happen in the fic does not absolve you of the above actions.

[Kuroji]

I love how threads degenerate into 'fucktard fuckwit fuck you' as soon as someone disagrees with somebody.

The Doctor was rather out of character in this, and it introduced nothing new or interesting to the storyline of Avatar whether in a serious way or by way of parody. He caused more death than there would have been to begin with, and things would've resolved on their own just fine otherwise quite honestly, so... yeah. Fucktardwit at me if you like, but this was not a well written story. And Colonel Mustard probably would've had his wits about him enough that seeing what appeared to be a human breathing without a mask would've given him pause, anyway.

[Ilya Muromets]

I love how threads degenerate into 'fucktard fuckwit fuck you' as soon as someone disagrees with somebody.

And I love how people who bring that fact up clearly think they're so superior to the guys who use profanity.

So what? You should know by now that SDN doesn't mind insults and profanity so long as you make a valid point, or at least some kind of coherent point instead of just insults for the sake of trolling. It's crap to think that just because someone uses insults means their point is suddenly less valid or they're just knuckle-dragging idiots, which is what your clearly contemptuous post is implying. A valid point is a valid point, regardless of whether it's phrased as "I am quite certain this is a valid point, good sir" or as "It's a valid fucking point, you dipshit"

A profane person with a point still has a point. A polite person with an erroneous point is still wrong. It's that simple.

You don't use profanity yourself? Fine. Don't let anyone stop you. But the rules allow for profanity, so you can't stop others from using it either. You don't like it? Too damn bad. Point here is debate, not polite style-over-substance.

[Kuroji]

Okay, then instead of picking my post apart for the fact that I didn't say that I thought the fic was a fucking piece of shit in those words, why not pick my post apart for what I said other than that one observation about behavior in general?

[Ilya Muromets]

Because this fic doesn't interest me one way or another and I was calling you out for being a smug douche?

What, you open a post sneering at other people and get all pissy when you get called out for it?

[Kuroji]

Not really, no. It does amuse me that you think I was trying to be smug, in a sad way. More of people going 'well this fic has X, Y, and Z wrong with it' and the result being an almost immediate lashing out. If you want to insult me personally, I imagine there are better places for you to do it than this thread, but if you want to continue, be my guest.

[lazerus]

I got that part moron. What I was criticising is how you downplayed them, as "just trying to keep their heads down" when its clear those the Doctor killed where mercenaries, who if they somehow didn't know what they were getting into at the start, it was drilled into their heads at the very beginning when they arrived on Pandora.

And this invalidates anything I said how?

You could make a decent case that Quaritch deserves to die. I dislike a sudden execution like this as a matter of personal taste, but I won't call it wrong. But at that point, the doctor has made it clear that he has vastly overwhelming firepower. He can persuade everyone else in the base to surrender, easily. Therefore, every kill after that isn't a regrettable necessity to protect the Navi, it's him delivering "justice" to all he encounters.

Hey dumbshit, the Na'vi were refusing those advances anyway. In effect the Doctor changed nothing in terms of their technological development.

That's really the standard you're judging a being with godlike power by? "Didn't make it any worse"?

Where you watching the same movie retard? The humans were already mining some of the Unobtanium. The conflict arose because they got greedy and wanted more. The humans had already tried offering the Na'vi things which they didn't want. Therefore the Doctor didn't ensure the Na'vi would remain primitive at the present, they were already making that choice themselves. Therefore your claim that it was the Doctor's fault is full of shit just like you. Now show some evidence that the Na'vi would have taken up the technology or else concede the point. But I bet you will dodge it right?

If by "Dodge it" you mean "Point out that I don't consider "Failure to make things worse" a suitable standard for a godlike being, yes. The doctor often stands by and watches terrible things happen, because the timeline says they must. The few times he gets involved, it's always to make things better. So why does he break his code of ethics to kill humans...but *not* to help Navi civilization?

The semantic whoring. Whether is a bribe or an offer, the point is the Na'vi were shown to not want it fuckwit. Once again the Doctors actions contributed nothing to leaving them primitive, yet alone primitive FOOOOREVER.

So then the RDA has to leave. Or, the RDA can make a better offer until they find something the Navi *do* want. Either way, the doctor does no harm by allowing the RDA and Navi peaceful contact, as long as the Navi aren't exploited.

Once again they already made the choice in the movie.

So one tribe gets to decide, on behalf of their entire species and all future generations that they don't want anything other star-fairing nations have to offer, to the point they won't even hear those offers.

Idiot.

This does not support your statement that the Doctor made the existing situation worse.

As far as I"m concerned, wanton butchery of humanity combined with making the Navi's exile from the rest of the galaxy permanent constitutes "making it worse."

You have seen the show right?

Conceded. That said, I stand by my previous statement that your fic represents the worst aspects of the doctor. You are right that he does this shit from time to time, but you have an entire fic full of it.

The fact that the queen and her brood were the last of the Racnoss flew over your head? If a nation leaves only one member of an ethnic group alive it would be counted as genocide by the UN.

As far as I am concerned, killing the last Racnoss in the galaxy would consisted of 1 count of murder. That's it.

The Racnoss was his most hated enemy? What the fuck are you smoking boy?

Conceded. Meant to say "Ancient enemy" reflecting the old battle between the Racnoss and the time lords.

Oh I forgot, killing bug eye monsters is less bad than killing evil humans.

How do I say this gently?

Yes.

The circumstances of those two events were completely different. The scale of the damage done isn't even comparable.

[Themightytom]

I love how threads degenerate into 'fucktard fuckwit fuck you' as soon as someone disagrees with somebody.

The Doctor was rather out of character in this, and it introduced nothing new or interesting to the storyline of Avatar whether in a serious way or by way of parody.

Not really, as Mr. Coffee stated his character varies wildly. The 10th doctor was not particularly stable, and even laments the times he has killed without remorse in The End of Time. I thought using the Vashta Narada was a choice that was itself much more interesting than "Rawr master Chief and the ODST CRUSH the merc's" or "Harry potter and The Naavi win the day!"

It was however significantly less satisfying than the movie in terms of resolution, yet it was consistent with a Dr. Who style episode with a last minute insta win being pulled out of nowhere.

He caused more death than there would have been to begin with, and things would've resolved on their own just fine otherwise quite honestly, so... yeah. Fucktardwit at me if you like, but this was not a well written story. And Colonel Mustard probably would've had his wits about him enough that seeing what appeared to be a human breathing without a mask would've given him pause, anyway.

He didn't cause more death, the Naavi sustained massive casualties in the movie which didn't happen here. I suspect this fanfic was generated as a reaction to the seeming unfairness of the movie. Mr. Coffee pulled a bigger bully out of the ether.

I'm generally a fan of mr. Coffee's work, especially since he uses subject matter that is avoided by most serious fanfic writers for being too complicated or unwieldy. he isn't afraid to try to mesh Whovian magitech with more grounded Scifi series so i always give him bonus points. It wouldn't hurt to draw the events out a little more, explore character interactions more, set the stage a little better, but hey its a short story not a novella. it reads more like an AU history if nothing else.

[Crazedwraith]

Psst, Its Mr Friendly Guy, not Mr Coffee.

Not really, as Mr. Coffee stated his character varies wildly. The 10th doctor was not particularly stable, and even laments the times he has killed without remorse in The End of Time. I thought using the Vashta Narada was a choice that was itself much more interesting than "Rawr master Chief and the ODST CRUSH the merc's" or "Harry potter and The Naavi win the day!"

It was however significantly less satisfying than the movie in terms of resolution, yet it was consistent with a Dr. Who style episode with a last minute insta win being pulled out of nowhere.

He doesn't generally step out a box to instantly deal death and destruction. You have to go for an entire episode of pissing him before he'll wipe you out. And even then just threatening random people isn't enough you have to annoy him personally. See the Family of Blood. The only reason they got the wrath of the timelord was because they ruined ten's life as 'John Smith'

[mr friendly guy]

I love how threads degenerate into 'fucktard fuckwit fuck you' as soon as someone disagrees with somebody..

You did read the main site right?

The Doctor was rather out of character in this,

So why don't you refute the numerous examples I gave showing him acting worse than shown in this fic, a point lazerus has already conceded. Oh thats right, just focus in on the point that I use profanity. I guess because you have no point.

and it introduced nothing new or interesting to the storyline of Avatar whether in a serious way or by way of parody.

What the fuck do you think a bashing fic is supposed to do? Whats next? People getting offended by nudity in a movie when the movie says X rating at the front? If you seriously think its meant to parody Avatar as opposed to parody Avatar bashing fics when its outrighted stated to be response to the latter, you are too far gone in terms of stupidity to help.

He caused more death than there would have been to begin with, and things would've resolved on their own just fine otherwise quite honestly, so... yeah.

Moron. This has been repeated ad nauseum, but since reading comprehension isn't your strong point, lets spell it out for you again. The Na'vi took high casualties when RDA attacked. By nipping the RDA "pre emptive strike" in the bud, the Doctor saved those lives. Given that RDA weren't numerous and the Na'vi were numbering in the thousands and still had to retreat its fair to say he saved more lives than he took, so... yeah.

Fucktardwit at me if you like, but this was not a well written story.

I have been calling lazerus a fuckwit not because he disliked the story, but because most of the things he disliked about it DIDN'T OCCUR IN THE STORY. You know like the part about how the Doctor caused more deaths. I guess that makes you a fuckwit as well. But continue pretending that people are calling you out because of a subjective taste.

And Colonel Mustard probably would've had his wits about him enough that seeing what appeared to be a human breathing without a mask would've given him pause, anyway.

You do realise that scene occurred indoors right? Did you even watch the movie?

[Themightytom]

Psst, Its Mr Friendly Guy, not Mr Coffee.

Not really, as Mr. Coffee stated his character varies wildly. The 10th doctor was not particularly stable, and even laments the times he has killed without remorse in The End of Time. I thought using the Vashta Narada was a choice that was itself much more interesting than "Rawr master Chief and the ODST CRUSH the merc's" or "Harry potter and The Naavi win the day!"

It was however significantly less satisfying than the movie in terms of resolution, yet it was consistent with a Dr. Who style episode with a last minute insta win being pulled out of nowhere.

He doesn't generally step out a box to instantly deal death and destruction. You have to go for an entire episode of pissing him before he'll wipe you out. And even then just threatening random people isn't enough you have to annoy him personally. See the Family of Blood. The only reason they got the wrath of the timelord was because they ruined ten's life as 'John Smith'

True, and he didn't really do so here. He just brought the Shadows. he DID warn the General, and towards the end he doesn't obliterate the humans who make a third pass at pandora, he jsut relocate them to Earth orbit.

[Kuroji]

Did you even watch the movie?

Nope. Nor do I intend to!

[mr friendly guy]

And this invalidates anything I said how?
<snip>

What you said was tangential to my point, your attempt to change the topic nowithstanding.

That's really the standard you're judging a being with godlike power by? "Didn't make it any worse"?

No moron. Its refering to your unsupported claim that he made things worse. Your attempt to change it to a godlike being (which he isn't anyway, he is just nick named the Lonely God) should have done much better is a pathetic attempt to shift the goalposts.

If by "Dodge it" you mean "Point out that I don't consider "Failure to make things worse" a suitable standard for a godlike being, yes.

You stated he made things worse. I showed this was not the case, and after numerous evasions you like a dishonest turd change the topic to, "failure to make things worse is not a suitable standard for a godlike being." So yes, you did dodge the point.

Of course it becomes funny because you had previously accused of potraying the Doctor incorrectly because I showed him to be act like a "dick". Now you suggest the Doctor should be written differently, in which case that would mean I would be really potraying him incorrectly.

The doctor often stands by and watches terrible things happen, because the timeline says they must. The few times he gets involved, it's always to make things better. So why does he break his code of ethics to kill humans...but *not* to help Navi civilization?

Did you even read the story?

So then the RDA has to leave. Or, the RDA can make a better offer until they find something the Navi *do* want. Either way, the doctor does no harm by allowing the RDA and Navi peaceful contact, as long as the Navi aren't exploited.

Did you even watch the movie? No seriously. You have made so maaany errors I wondering what the hell you must have been smoking before you entered the cinema. At least Kuroji admitted he / she didn't see it when his statement was shown to be not true.

So one tribe gets to decide, on behalf of their entire species and all future generations that they don't want anything other star-fairing nations have to offer, to the point they won't even hear those offers.

Idiot.

Did you even watch the movie retard? By this stage the Omiticaya had gathering the other tribes to their cause and they would eventually expel RDA from Pandora. So no, one tribe didn't get to decide it, ALL the tribes had already decided. You don't suppose if the other tribes thought "this is stupid, you are deciding for our entire species and all future generations" they wouldn't have helped combat RDA.

You are just grasping at straws in an attempt to build a bigger strawman. Idiot.

As far as I"m concerned, wanton butchery of humanity combined with making the Navi's exile from the rest of the galaxy permanent constitutes "making it worse."

Ooooh. An appeal to personal opinion. What a great argument. How ever do you do it?

I would ask you to show how the Doctor made the Navi exile from the rest of the galaxy, or maybe explain why killing RDA mercenaries is bad when he saved many more Na'vi lives, but I suspect like the cumstain coward you are, you will just to refuse answer this point or used selective quotations.

Conceded. That said, I stand by my previous statement that your fic represents the worst aspects of the doctor. .

I didn't care about whether this is the worse aspects of the Doctor, only your contention that I somehow made him worse and hence out of character.

You are right that he does this shit from time to time, but you have an entire fic full of it.

Hmm. Lets count the scenes he is in. First scene (offscreen) Grace becomes aware of him via Eywa. His presence saves her life. Scene two, he kills RDA mercenaries. Scene three he saves RDA civilians. Scene four in Jake's exposition he mentions the Doctor gives them the means to protect the Na'vi should hostile humans return. Scene five he saves the Na'vi from orbital bombardment and tractor beams the offending ship back to earth.

So like in one scene he acts in a way your disapprove and the fic is "full of it."

I tell will you who is full of it. Its you who are full of shit, so much that you need to manually disimpact yourself because its coming out of your mouth with the rubbish you type. Preferably use a ten foot pole. With spikes.

But even if it was full of it, so what? Its a self contained story so when he isn't pulling this dickish moves it occurs in a separate story. Maybe like this one.

As far as I am concerned, killing the last Racnoss in the galaxy would consisted of 1 count of murder. That's it.

For the last time the last Racnoss was killed on the orders of Saxon. The Doctor killed all her offspring.

How do I say this gently?
Yes.
The circumstances of those two events were completely different. The scale of the damage done isn't even comparable.

What rubs you the wrong way is that its less bad for the Doctor to off non human sentients if it protects humans. Its some how wrong for the Doctor to do the same to humans to protect non human sentients.

It was however significantly less satisfying than the movie in terms of resolution, yet it was consistent with a Dr. Who style episode with a last minute insta win being pulled out of nowhere..

That I don't dispute. Avatar was a good movie, however this fic was supposed to bash those Avatar bashing fics, and it stated so at the beginning.

I suspect this fanfic was generated as a reaction to the seeming unfairness of the movie. Mr. Coffee pulled a bigger bully out of the ether.

It was in response to a those arguments who say its ok for us to screw over the Na'vi, but when someone screws us over expect us to fight back and no one is perfectly right in such a situation. In other words, might makes right. So who is mightier than RDA. Well lots of sci fi / fantasy / comic universes. Who would be a big enough "dick" to pull this move in a fit of poetic irony. Well Doctor number 10. The others would seem out of place doing it.

He doesn't generally step out a box to instantly deal death and destruction. You have to go for an entire episode of pissing him before he'll wipe you out. And even then just threatening random people isn't enough you have to annoy him personally. See the Family of Blood. The only reason they got the wrath of the timelord was because they ruined ten's life as 'John Smith'

Well keep in mind that the Doctor arrived just before Jake gave his "this is our land speech." It took the Na'vi days to gather enough troops before Quaddritch goes "lets pre-emptive strike them." In those few days while awaiting Erwa's reply the Doctor and Donna had adventures in the Avatar universe which amounted to filler material. I thought we would skip those.

[lazerus]

Did you even watch the movie retard? By this stage the Omiticaya had gathering the other tribes to their cause and they would eventually expel RDA from Pandora. So no, one tribe didn't get to decide it, ALL the tribes had already decided. You don't suppose if the other tribes thought "this is stupid, you are deciding for our entire species and all future generations" they wouldn't have helped combat RDA.

You are just grasping at straws in an attempt to build a bigger strawman. Idiot.

Hey, fuckwit, how many of those Navi understand what the fuck technology actually is? None. How many of them know what the RDA could offer if they were really serious and knew they *could not* exploit the Navi? None. How much discussion of the issue was there? None. How many groups other then the RDA got to make offers the Navi might like? None.

The Navi didn't decide shit because they didn't have the information too. All they "decided" was that the RDA had to go.

I would ask you to show how the Doctor made the Navi exile from the rest of the galaxy, or maybe explain why killing RDA mercenaries is bad when he saved many more Na'vi lives, but I suspect like the cumstain coward you are, you will just to refuse answer this point or used selective quotations.

I encounter a town where there are problems between the local KKK and the local black population. I know that if I do nothing, there will be an explosion of race riots and basically the entire black population will be killed. I can:
A) Kill or drive out everyone in the town who's white, and declare that they may never again approach.
B) Kill the ringleaders of this terrible plot, and tell everyone else that no such violence will be tolerated in the future.

One of these is an incredably helpful case of someone with godlike powers using them for the greater good. The other is a Hur Hur revenge fantasy.

For the last time the last Racnoss was killed on the orders of Saxon. The Doctor killed all her offspring.

Then it's multiple counts of murder, you idiot.

What rubs you the wrong way is that its less bad for the Doctor to off non human sentients if it protects humans. Its some how wrong for the Doctor to do the same to humans to protect non human sentients.

And while you presume you can read my mind, you little shit, I'm going to go ahead and say the reason you take such deep offense to someone disliking your fanfic is that you have deeprooted insufficiency issues and an inferiority complex tracing back to the fact that your an unloveable piece of crap.

[mr friendly guy]

Hey, fuckwit, how many of those Navi understand what the fuck technology actually is? None. How many of them know what the RDA could offer if they were really serious and knew they *could not* exploit the Navi? None. How much discussion of the issue was there? None.

Oh look the cumstain continues to make irrelevant points. Let me explain it to you very slowly because you clearly are retarded. You claim the Doctor made things worse in the sense that the Na'vi didn't get human technology. Except that was going to happen anyway. Ergo he didn't make it worse in that respect. No matter how you spin it with the laughable claim that the other Na'vi tribes didn't have a say in rejecting RDA, won't make it so.

The fact you think the Doctor could have a done a better job in some way other is irrelevant, because its a different point of contention. Its just a pathetic attempt to shift the goalposts when your original claim has been demolished. Moreover it opens up a whole host of other problems. Namely

1) it would lose a lot of its punch as a "basher fic"

2) even if he still bashes RDA around but doesn't kill them, it still loses the thematic message I am getting out - that its easy for those who make bullshit justifications for what RDA is doing in the Avatar review thread to do so, because their side is the stronger one. When the shoe is on the other foot they can still make some BS reasoning by saying that "Well expect us to fight back", and they can do this is the other side isn't vastly superior. The message becomes stronger when its shown that RDA didn't have much of a chance, and their "might makes right" maxim is shown to be the morally bankrupt philosophy that it is.

3) You are thinking its the Doctor's job to have a hand in uplifting species. Unless you count the technology he leaves around the only other time he tried to do something like that which I can recall was in the Tom Baker story "Planet of Evil." In other words out of character for the tenth doctor. Ironic considering you accused me of doing the same thing yet you want to do it as well.

How many groups other then the RDA got to make offers the Navi might like? None.

The Doctor's actions does not preclude other groups (if they have the means to reach Pandora) making the same offer. The Na'vi in the OTL and in my fic got on well with the more benign scientists. So this is just beyond reaching on your part, its into the realms of bullfuckery.

The Navi didn't decide shit because they didn't have the information too. All they "decided" was that the RDA had to go.

Ha ha ha ha. ROTFL. Listen to yourself. The Navi didn't decide to reject technology even though both Selfridge and Jake outright state it. Your semantic whoring that one must be fully aware of things to constitute "deciding" has lost its amusement value.

I encounter a town where there are problems between the local KKK and the local black population. I know that if I do nothing, there will be an explosion of race riots and basically the entire black population will be killed. I can:
A) Kill or drive out everyone in the town who's white, and declare that they may never again approach.
B) Kill the ringleaders of this terrible plot, and tell everyone else that no such violence will be tolerated in the future.

One of these is an incredably helpful case of someone with godlike powers using them for the greater good. The other is a Hur Hur revenge fantasy.

Ignoring for a moment the lame arse scenario where the accomplices are left to their own devices unpunished and providing no protection for their would be victims aside from a supposed fear of you (even when you have left).
Ignoring for a moment even if they are scared shitless enough not to commit crimes, they are still racists and can preach their bullshit views, ergo you have only delayed the problem not solve it and deadbeats like them contribute very little to society.
Ignoring for a moment that your scenario is rigged so that innocent white people are also killed.
Lets just say even if you kill all KKK and sympathisers and leave the innocent, the Hur Hurh revenge fantasy still manages to prevent violence on the blacks who did nothing "wrong" except being the wrong ethnic group, ergo you have failed to explain why this is bad in the context of more lives saved.

Oh, and most importantly. Listen up dumbshit. Your stupid scenario doesn't even come close to what happened in the fic. Know why? Because the Doctor didn't kill ALL HUMANS on the base. There is an entire scene where he saves the civilians. But I see you totally ignored this point earlier when I mocked your ridiculous claim that he killed ALL HUMANS on the base.

You do realise an argument isn't you stating your views in a multitude of different ways right? It actually a logical construction to explain how you get from A to B. Oh what, you didn't know? Colour me surprised.

For the last time the last Racnoss was killed on the orders of Saxon. The Doctor killed all her offspring.

Then it's multiple counts of murder, you idiot.

Translation - I lazerus was wrong about that one count of murder claim because I couldn't read. But I don't want to look bad so I will just call the other guy an idiot.

And while you presume you can read my mind, you little shit,

I suspect this because everytime I confronted you with this you evaded the point, changed the topic and the fact the only way the Doctor's actions made things worse when he saved more lives is that 1 Navi is worth less and 1 human life. You still insist on holding the position that things were worsened in the context of more lives saved, but refuse to explain how that is so if each species lives have equal value.

Whereas I have at least stated that I find your criticism bullshit because you dislike things which didn't occur in my story and explicitly stated not because you didn't like the story per se. I see you're too goddamn stupid to see the difference there.

I'm going to go ahead and say the reason you take such deep offense to someone disliking your fanfic is that you have deeprooted insufficiency issues and an inferiority complex tracing back to the fact that your an unloveable piece of crap.

Like I am really worried my writing because some guy who didn't read it properly hates it. This same guy who says the Doctor killed ALL humans on the base when there is a scene showing him saving people. The same guy who says the fic was full of the Doctor's dickery when only a few lines from one scene showed this purported dickery while the rest showed him saving Grace, stopping an orbital bombardment etc.

Oh and this is the same guy who says the Racnoss is the Doctor's most hated enemy. Yeah, I am in awe of your opinion.

PS - its You are, or You're, not Your. But why am I not surprised? You demonstrated poor reading comprehensions skills so why not poor language skills in general. Is English your second language by any chance?

[lazerus]

Ignoring for a moment the lame arse scenario where the accomplices are left to their own devices unpunished and providing no protection for their would be victims aside from a supposed fear of you (even when you have left).
Ignoring for a moment even if they are scared shitless enough not to commit crimes, they are still racists and can preach their bullshit views, ergo you have only delayed the problem not solve it and deadbeats like them contribute very little to society.
Ignoring for a moment that your scenario is rigged so that innocent white people are also killed.
Lets just say even if you kill all KKK and sympathisers and leave the innocent, the Hur Hurh revenge fantasy still manages to prevent violence on the blacks who did nothing "wrong" except being the wrong ethnic group, ergo you have failed to explain why this is bad in the context of more lives saved.

Nothing I say could breach the invulnerable vessel that is your skull. Truly, armor that thick must be an invulnerable casing for your brain, though in this case, it is reminiscent of keeping potato chips in a safe deposit box.

Less vitrolicly, if this is your view on that issue, we are never going to agree on this, so I don't see much point in continuing the argument.

[mr friendly guy]

Wow, the little chicken shit uses selective quoting again (ignoring the part of my reply which states its the most important part) and runs away. Ah, did I hurt your liddle widdle feellings?

Lets sum up dumbshit boys gross stupidity for posterity.

1. Hates my story because I have the Doctor kill ALL humans on the RDA base.

He bolded the all part for emphasis too.

Except I didn't.

“Jake, something has happened.” Max was nearly panicking on the communicator.

“Some stranger came, called himself the Doctor and then started slaughtering the people on the base. I don’t know how he does it. What ever weapon he uses, it destroys all organic matter. Only the skeleton remains. Quaritch and Selfridge are already dead. Me and all other scientists are gathered here.. Oh god they are here.”

Jake could see it, but he couldn’t believe his eyes. The thing before him was wearing the clothes of a marine, however all that stood there was the skeleton. Shadows were starting to stretch out from it.

“No. You cannot have them.” A man stood there armed with a strange metallic wand, for want of a better word.

The being that was once a marine paused as if daring the Doctor to challenge him.

“You know what I am, and what I can do.”

Without a word the skeleton turned and walked away.

So any one reading it can see the Doctor saving the civillians and targeting the RDA mercenaries. A big difference from grossly attacking any human indescriminately, which his stupid KKK scenario postulates with killing all white people.

Naturally he avoids this point every fucking time I bring it up because it would show how poor his reading comprehension skills are.

2. The Doctor made things worse.

This boils down to him making it worse by a) lives taken vs lives saved b) leaving the Na'vi without advance technology c) hur hur revenge fantasy

Lets see, where to start. Point a is in favour of the Doctor making things better, because more Na'vi lives were saved than RDA lives taken. And thats even assuming that the life of a mercenary who attacks civilian targets is equal to someone defending their land. Case closed.

Point b is very strange and convulated and based on his assertion that the Doctor should someone contribute to uplifting them, albeit indirectly. Problem is, hey, you don't suppose the Na'vi don't want the advance technology. That repeated lines by Selfridge and Jake, and their own actions in evicting RDA would suggest that. No thats clearly not what happened. You see, lazerus here understands Avatar better than James Cameron. After all Darkstar understands paramount canon policy better than the guys in charge of it, so why not lazerus with Avatar?

You see what really really happen was just the Omaticaya deciding for ALL Na'vi that they didn't want it. An unfair proposition, because all Na'vi should have a say. Naturally when all the other Na'vi tribes side with the Omaticaya, its becomes, no the Na'vi cannot decide, because they don't have all the information. The fact that his second sentence is contradictory to his first; (after all, if the Na'vi cannot decide to want the technology, how can lazerus accuse the Omaticaya of deciding for all Na'vi); doesn't stop him there. After all, lazerus is a master of semantic whoring, which unfortunately we will see more of. His first statement is false because all the Na'vi sided with the Omaticaya, the second statement butchers the definition of decide, and in any event cannot stand because it contradicts his earlier position. Case closed.

Oh, and its hur hur revenge fantasy, blah blah wanton butchery. Funny that because I don't recall the Doctor taking revenge for something done to him. Lets be generous and assume dumbshit boy called it that as an insult. He still can't explain why that is bad (except for the fact it has a shitty name), because he just says the same "its bad bad bad" statement in a different way. This "bad" action actually saved more lives, because he stopped RDA launching an attack on the Na'vi. He can't come up with anything else other than he doesn't like it. But we can see putting forward a logical argument is a bit difficult for his hypoplastic brain.

Again my story did not show the Doctor making things worse no matter how hard he tries to spin it.

3. Accuse me of potraying the Doctor as a bigger mary sue than his own series, in other words inaccurate.

Now if I had Superman appear and butcher the RDA mercenaries and is potrayed as par the course and heroic, you might have a point there.

Now people might wonder why I am digging into him on this point when he has already conceded.. after I cited 7 examples of the Doctor's similar behaviour AFTER I had mentioned 2 other examples in previous posts. What is this, everyone else needs to obtain mountains of evidence, while he can just say hur hur <insert insulting description here> and claim victory?

4. The fic is full of it (Doctor's "dickery").

Since a lot of his criticisms didn't occur in the story, lets focus in on the only thing that did. The Doctor killing the RDA mercenaries with wanton butchery in a hur hur revenge fantasy. Presumably this is what he means by dickery. Lets have a look at the actual scene shall we.

Those were Quaritch’s last words as the Vashta Nerada made short work of him. Where before stood Miles Quaritch, head of security on Pandora, now stood an skeleton. Soon the whole human base on Pandora would feel their hunger.

Oooh lah lah. I count 39 words out of a fic of 2300 + words. A mere 39 words and the fic is full of the Doctor's dickery. Nevermind the scenes where he saves Grace and saves the Na'vi from orbital bombardment. The description of him saving the Na'vi from orbital bombardment has twice as many words dedicated to it. Most of the words in the story were taken up by either introduction and the Doctor's argument with Quaritch.

The fic is clearly "full of it." Man, what does lazerus define as "full of it"? Maybe greater than zero?

5. I can criticise things even if its not in the fic

Now people its ok for lazerus to sprout bullshit. He has reserved the option of criticising things even NOT in the story. How do we know? Why he said it himself
right here

Sheesh, if you are going to criticise it, at least apply fair standard to things like what constitutes being "More Mary Sueish" than usual, or how about criticise ideas I made (as opposed to suggested by another poster). Yeah thats a thought.

Why the fuck should I? Your fanfic blew like a cheap whore. It's "morality" would be hilariously hypocritical if it weren't so pathetic, the writing is shitty, the characterization is worse, and it manages to make the main character so unlikeable that the RDA seems okay -- because hey, which is worse, psuedo-conquistadors or a vengeful, petty, mass-murdering god?

Yep. Why the fuck should he only criticise the things written in the story? Hmm. Have to think on that one. How about criticism of a fake thing doesn't achieve anything? How about its unfair. How about the author cannot improve if the criticisms aren't actually relevant to their story.

How ever does he get off sprouting such crap with a straight face. Must be that dope you were smoking while watching the movie or watching an episode of Doctor Who.

6. Its not genocide unless I say it is

As promised earlier we get to see more of lazerus semantic whoring par excellence. You see, I pointed out the Doctor had done worse things (by lazerus's standards naturally), ergo my characterisation is not inaccurate. Dumbshit boy's response is to argue that those things weren't really as bad as the hur hur revenge fantasy I wrote.

You see, the Doctor had to commit genocide on the Racnoss to save humanity just as he killed the RDA mercenaries to save lots of Na'vi lives. Not only did the Doctor kill lots of bad guys in "The Christmas Invasion", he also effective genocided them, while clearly there are much more humans on Earth in the Avatar universe.

The fact that the Racnoss queen and her children were the last of their kind seemingly eluded lazerus boy despite it being a plot point of the story. But thats ok, cover up your ignorance with more semantic whoring.

As far as I am concerned, killing the last Racnoss in the galaxy would consisted of 1 count of murder. That's it.

As far as he is concern, its not genocide because he said so (and he actually killed more than one in that episode).

Who gives a fuck what you think dumbass? You didn't invent the english language nor write the law books on which people can be charged with genocide. If Serbian figures can be charged with genocide even though relatives of their victims are still alive in numbers, then hell yeah, the Doctor commited genocide by leaving only the Racnoss Queen alive. Lazerus is too stupid to realise words have meaning, and genocide doesn't just have bad connotations, it actually has its own meaning.

Give that moron an A in English. A for awesomely stupid.

I was going to talk more about retard boy's RDA apologism, but fuck it. His reading comprehension skills never advanced more than primary school level anyway, so its not like he is going to understand it anyway.