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Re: SDN World 3 Ship Design Thread

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Steve wrote:Your destroyer's range is horribly, horribly terrible- it would need to refuel constantly on the way from your east coast to west. And that first battlecruiser is waaay underarmored. Even the notoriously-unarmored Lexington design was to have 7" belt. British BCs typically had 9" and Germans even more.

Sticking with coal makes sense if your oil access is minor, but it does cost you in range per ton of fuel (also, coal grades can ruin performance; lower grade coal doesn't burn as well and you lose power; witness one reason for the fate of Cristobal Colon at Santiago de Cuba).
You are right about the battlecruiser' armor, but this specific ship is much lighter than the Lexingtons were. To fix this I dropped the range by a thousand nm and increased the belt to 6.5in main, leaving it still short of armor but not as critically.

The short range destroyer will remain as a Red sea only vessel and I created an heavier ship to supplement it.

As for oil versus coal I think I am going to have to change the Shakir class to coal. Hmm, maybe only the two that are under construction now.
Ziyad, Sudan Destroyer laid down 1921

Displacement:
735 t light; 784 t standard; 889 t normal; 973 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(254.03 ft / 252.00 ft) x 24.00 ft (Bulges 26.00 ft) x (10.55 / 11.31 ft)
(77.43 m / 76.81 m) x 7.32 m (Bulges 7.92 m) x (3.22 / 3.45 m)

Armament:
2 - 6.50" / 165 mm 45.0 cal guns - 138.47lbs / 62.81kg shells, 135 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mount, 1921 Model
1 x 2-gun mount on centreline forward
4 - 4.00" / 102 mm 25.0 cal guns - 29.08lbs / 13.19kg shells, 150 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1921 Model
2 x Single mounts on centreline, aft deck aft
1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, forward deck centre
4 - 0.75" / 19.1 mm 60.0 cal guns - 0.22lbs / 0.10kg shells, 2,000 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts, 1921 Model
4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 394 lbs / 179 kg
Main Torpedoes
4 - 21.0" / 533 mm, 16.00 ft / 4.88 m torpedoes - 1.070 t each, 4.281 t total
submerged bow tubes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 1.00" / 25 mm 162.50 ft / 49.53 m 5.88 ft / 1.79 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 99 % of normal length
Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

- Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
0.20" / 5 mm 162.50 ft / 49.53 m 8.20 ft / 2.50 m
Beam between torpedo bulkheads 17.00 ft / 5.18 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 2.00" / 51 mm - -
2nd: 0.75" / 19 mm - -

- Armoured deck - single deck:
For and Aft decks: 1.00" / 25 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 1.00" / 25 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Petrol Internal combustion motors,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 7,604 shp / 5,673 Kw = 23.50 kts
Range 3,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 189 tons

Complement:
80 - 105

Cost:
£0.200 million / $0.801 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 62 tons, 7.0 %
- Guns: 53 tons, 6.0 %
- Weapons: 9 tons, 1.0 %
Armour: 118 tons, 13.3 %
- Belts: 39 tons, 4.4 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 10 tons, 1.1 %
- Armament: 9 tons, 1.0 %
- Armour Deck: 59 tons, 6.6 %
- Conning Tower: 2 tons, 0.2 %
Machinery: 262 tons, 29.5 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 293 tons, 33.0 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 154 tons, 17.3 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
587 lbs / 266 Kg = 4.3 x 6.5 " / 165 mm shells or 0.4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.16
Metacentric height 0.8 ft / 0.2 m
Roll period: 12.4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.65
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.00

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.450 / 0.459
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.69 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 15.87 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 60 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 71
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 11.50 ft / 3.51 m, 9.20 ft / 2.80 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 9.20 ft / 2.80 m, 9.00 ft / 2.74 m
- Aft deck: 35.00 %, 9.00 ft / 2.74 m, 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 8.00 ft / 2.44 m, 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
- Average freeboard: 8.93 ft / 2.72 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 184.0 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 80.6 %
Waterplane Area: 3,858 Square feet or 358 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 111 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 45 lbs/sq ft or 219 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.92
- Longitudinal: 2.07
- Overall: 1.00
Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Cramped accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Ishmael, Sudanese Battlecruiser laid down 1916

Displacement:
24,337 t light; 26,150 t standard; 33,162 t normal; 38,772 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(732.00 ft / 724.00 ft) x 99.50 ft x (30.40 / 34.38 ft)
(223.11 m / 220.68 m) x 30.33 m x (9.27 / 10.48 m)

Armament:
6 - 14.50" / 368 mm 52.0 cal guns - 1,627.70lbs / 738.31kg shells, 180 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1916 Model
3 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
1 raised mount - superfiring
2 - 8.00" / 203 mm 52.0 cal guns - 273.35lbs / 123.99kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mount, 1916 Model
1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, aft deck centre
1 raised mount
10 - 6.50" / 165 mm 45.0 cal guns - 138.47lbs / 62.81kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1916 Model
10 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
10 raised mounts
10 - 0.75" / 19.1 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.22lbs / 0.10kg shells, 2,000 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1916 Model
10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
4 - 4.00" / 102 mm 25.0 cal guns - 29.08lbs / 13.19kg shells, 150 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1916 Model
4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 11,816 lbs / 5,360 kg
Main Torpedoes
4 - 21.0" / 533 mm, 10.00 ft / 3.05 m torpedoes - 0.695 t each, 2.782 t total
In 1 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 6.50" / 165 mm 492.32 ft / 150.06 m 11.97 ft / 3.65 m
Ends: 0.50" / 13 mm 231.66 ft / 70.61 m 11.97 ft / 3.65 m
Upper: 0.30" / 8 mm 492.32 ft / 150.06 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 105 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
2.00" / 51 mm 492.32 ft / 150.06 m 27.50 ft / 8.38 m
Beam between torpedo bulkheads 90.00 ft / 27.43 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 10.0" / 254 mm 3.00" / 76 mm 4.00" / 102 mm
2nd: 6.00" / 152 mm - 5.00" / 127 mm

- Armoured deck - single deck:
For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 5.00" / 127 mm, Aft 0.50" / 13 mm

Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
Electric cruising motors plus geared drives, 4 shafts, 124,770 shp / 93,079 Kw = 29.50 kts
Range 10,000nm at 18.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 12,621 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
1,228 - 1,597

Cost:
£4.497 million / $17.986 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 2,715 tons, 8.2 %
- Guns: 2,712 tons, 8.2 %
- Weapons: 3 tons, 0.0 %
Armour: 5,366 tons, 16.2 %
- Belts: 1,718 tons, 5.2 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 1,002 tons, 3.0 %
- Armament: 831 tons, 2.5 %
- Armour Deck: 1,693 tons, 5.1 %
- Conning Towers: 122 tons, 0.4 %
Machinery: 5,114 tons, 15.4 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 11,043 tons, 33.3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 8,825 tons, 26.6 %
Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 0.3 %
- On freeboard deck: 100 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
42,299 lbs / 19,186 Kg = 27.7 x 14.5 " / 368 mm shells or 11.4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.32
Metacentric height 8.2 ft / 2.5 m
Roll period: 14.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.47
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.16

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and a round stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.530 / 0.548
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.28 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 26.91 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 25.00 ft / 7.62 m, 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 21.00 ft / 6.40 m, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Aft deck: 38.00 %, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Quarter deck: 12.00 %, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Average freeboard: 20.67 ft / 6.30 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 92.7 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 154.5 %
Waterplane Area: 49,343 Square feet or 4,584 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 123 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 179 lbs/sq ft or 872 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.35
- Overall: 1.00
Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
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Re: SDN World 3 Ship Design Thread

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Your large cruiser should have far better range. Otherwise it cannot do what you want it to do - which is to cruise.

Seriously, it has only 30% more range than the coastal defence battleships I am selling for export.
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Re: SDN World 3 Ship Design Thread

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Seems that Spring Sharp 3b3 takes into serious consideration the bulkhead weight etc. and that tends to result in cramped machinery spaces...
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Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:Seems that Spring Sharp 3b3 takes into serious consideration the bulkhead weight etc. and that tends to result in cramped machinery spaces...
I have to admit I'm not up to date with 3b3 which I downloaded just a few hours ago. Thusly. From what I see there are pretty major differences in the fact that now additional bulkheads and strengthened bulkheads DO affect composite strength and furthermore that beam between bulkheads severely affects the length of armor needed as well as again composite strength.

But I'm at something of a loss on how these should realistically apply on designs. From a very quick reading it would seem to me battleships should be using the additional bulkheads and cruisers the strengthened bulkheads option, while from playing with the same designs on 3b3 and 3b2 it seems the beam between bulkheads assumed in the older release equals beam-20 feet.

So help...? 8)
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My understanding is that bulkheads help against torpedoes and shells that hit underwater if I recall vaguely, but it seems that these do factor in immensely so much so that my ship machinery spaces went from excellent to cramped as hell. And yes, the composite strength is immensely affected.
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Re: SDN World 3 Ship Design Thread

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Purely for the lulz....

Leviathan (Stupid Version), Cascadia Megadreadnought laid down 1940

Displacement:
95,110 t light; 102,202 t standard; 108,218 t normal; 113,031 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(1,030.82 ft / 1,015.00 ft) x 145.00 ft x (38.70 / 40.17 ft)
(314.19 m / 309.37 m) x 44.20 m x (11.80 / 12.24 m)

Armament:
16 - 18.00" / 457 mm 50.0 cal guns - 3,850.00lbs / 1,746.33kg shells, 125 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1940 Model
4 x 4-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 raised mounts - superfiring
20 - 5.00" / 127 mm 43.0 cal guns - 61.05lbs / 27.69kg shells, 350 per gun
Dual purpose guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1940 Model
20 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
10 raised mounts
100 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm 38.0 cal guns - 1.85lbs / 0.84kg shells, 4,000 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1940 Model
15 x 2 row quad mounts on sides, evenly spread
6 raised mounts
10 x 2 row quad mounts on side ends, majority forward
6 raised mounts - superfiring
Weight of broadside 63,006 lbs / 28,579 kg

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 17.0" / 432 mm 600.00 ft / 182.88 m 17.00 ft / 5.18 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 91 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
5.00" / 127 mm 600.00 ft / 182.88 m 31.00 ft / 9.45 m
Beam between torpedo bulkheads 120.00 ft / 36.58 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 22.0" / 559 mm 17.0" / 432 mm 21.0" / 533 mm
2nd: 1.00" / 25 mm - 2.00" / 51 mm
3rd: 0.50" / 13 mm - -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 10.00" / 254 mm
Forecastle: 2.00" / 51 mm Quarter deck: 2.00" / 51 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 18.00" / 457 mm, Aft 7.40" / 188 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Electric cruising motors plus geared drives, 4 shafts, 131,885 shp / 98,386 Kw = 25.00 kts
Range 10,000nm at 16.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 10,829 tons

Complement:
2,982 - 3,878

Cost:
£54.340 million / $217.359 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 10,677 tons, 9.9 %
- Guns: 10,677 tons, 9.9 %
Armour: 41,218 tons, 38.1 %
- Belts: 7,686 tons, 7.1 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 3,441 tons, 3.2 %
- Armament: 10,739 tons, 9.9 %
- Armour Deck: 18,109 tons, 16.7 %
- Conning Towers: 1,243 tons, 1.1 %
Machinery: 3,526 tons, 3.3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 39,614 tons, 36.6 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 13,108 tons, 12.1 %
Miscellaneous weights: 75 tons, 0.1 %
- On freeboard deck: 75 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
164,373 lbs / 74,558 Kg = 56.4 x 18.0 " / 457 mm shells or 35.4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.06
Metacentric height 9.8 ft / 3.0 m
Roll period: 19.4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 68 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.80
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.14

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and a round stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.665 / 0.669
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 31.86 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 39 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 33.00 ft / 10.06 m, 27.00 ft / 8.23 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 27.00 ft / 8.23 m, 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Aft deck: 35.00 %, 21.00 ft / 6.40 m, 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 21.00 ft / 6.40 m, 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Average freeboard: 23.58 ft / 7.19 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 68.4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 163.4 %
Waterplane Area: 114,300 Square feet or 10,619 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 110 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 302 lbs/sq ft or 1,474 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.00
- Longitudinal: 0.99
- Overall: 1.00
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
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Re: SDN World 3 Ship Design Thread

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Sorchus, I think you need to totally reconsider your "destroyer" designs (which I would consider to be more of seagoing gunboats). For once thing, they're way too slow for destroyer duties (all real-life destroyers of this era were around 50% faster), and second you're wasting needless tonnage on armor. Aside from maybe some splinter protection over the magazines, armoring destroyers is essentially pointless given their size and role. You should also consider ditching those 6.5 inch guns in exchange for a larger number of smaller guns. Their weight and slow rate of fire is going to make them nearly useless against fast opponents unless they're in powered mounts, which they are not. Also remember that for light combatants that Springsharp allows you to take your composite strength all the way down to 0.5.
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Some Cisplatina designs

Plan 1910 battlecruisers

A mix of American and German design ideas the Plan1910 ships were slower than contemporary British inspired designs but offering considerably better protection and being comparable in size to the US Morenos.
Plan 1910A, Cisplatina battlecruiser laid down 1910 (Engine 1911)

Displacement:
25.533 t light; 27.000 t standard; 28.269 t normal; 29.284 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(660,00 ft / 660,00 ft) x 95,00 ft x (30,00 / 30,83 ft)
(201,17 m / 201,17 m) x 28,96 m x (9,14 / 9,40 m)

Armament:
12 - 14,00" / 356 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1.383,70lbs / 627,64kg shells, 86 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1910 Model
4 x 3-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 raised mounts - superfiring
20 - 5,00" / 127 mm 40,0 cal guns - 59,90lbs / 27,17kg shells, 150 per gun
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1910 Model
20 x Single mounts on sides amidships
12 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 60,0 cal guns - 2,14lbs / 0,97kg shells, 600 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1910 Model
6 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 17.828 lbs / 8.087 kg

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 12,0" / 305 mm 444,00 ft / 135,33 m 11,70 ft / 3,57 m
Ends: 3,00" / 76 mm 216,00 ft / 65,84 m 11,70 ft / 3,57 m
Upper: 3,00" / 76 mm 444,00 ft / 135,33 m 8,00 ft / 2,44 m
Main Belt covers 103% of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
2,00" / 51 mm 444,00 ft / 135,33 m 26,94 ft / 8,21 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 12,0" / 305 mm 4,00" / 102 mm 12,0" / 305 mm
2nd: 3,00" / 76 mm - -
3rd: 0,50" / 13 mm - -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks: 2,50" / 64 mm For and Aft decks

- Conning towers: Forward 12,00" / 305 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 61.275 shp / 45.711 Kw = 25,00 kts
Range 6.100nm at 10,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2.284 tons (70% coal)

Complement:
1.089 - 1.417

Cost:
£2,867 million / $11,467 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 3.644 tons, 12,9%
Armour: 8.533 tons, 30,2%
- Belts: 3.376 tons, 11,9%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 885 tons, 3,1%
- Armament: 2.408 tons, 8,5%
- Armour Deck: 1.624 tons, 5,7%
- Conning Tower: 240 tons, 0,8%
Machinery: 2.656 tons, 9,4%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 10.700 tons, 37,9%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2.736 tons, 9,7%
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
30.045 lbs / 13.628 Kg = 21,9 x 14,0 " / 356 mm shells or 5,0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,08
Metacentric height 5,3 ft / 1,6 m
Roll period: 17,3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,77
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,01

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,526 / 0,530
Length to Beam Ratio: 6,95 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 25,69 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20,00%, 24,35 ft / 7,42 m, 15,50 ft / 4,72 m
- Forward deck: 30,00%, 15,50 ft / 4,72 m, 15,50 ft / 4,72 m
- Aft deck: 35,00%, 15,50 ft / 4,72 m, 15,50 ft / 4,72 m
- Quarter deck: 15,00%, 15,50 ft / 4,72 m, 15,50 ft / 4,72 m
- Average freeboard: 16,21 ft / 4,94 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 103,1%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 116,0%
Waterplane Area: 42.788 Square feet or 3.975 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 97%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 213 lbs/sq ft or 1.040 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,98
- Longitudinal: 1,23
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate

Plan 1913 battlecruisers

An evolution of the 1910 design the ships introduced all oil burning and all or nothing armour with the use of 4-gun turrets that would become the standard for future Cisplatine warship designs.
Plan 1913A, Cisplatina Enter ship type laid down 1913 (Engine 1914)

Displacement:
27.699 t light; 29.220 t standard; 30.502 t normal; 31.528 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(680,00 ft / 680,00 ft) x 98,00 ft x (30,00 / 30,78 ft)
(207,26 m / 207,26 m) x 29,87 m x (9,14 / 9,38 m)

Armament:
12 - 14,00" / 356 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1.400,00lbs / 635,03kg shells, 86 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1913 Model
3 x 4-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
1 raised mount - superfiring
20 - 5,00" / 127 mm 40,0 cal guns - 59,90lbs / 27,17kg shells, 150 per gun
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1913 Model
20 x Single mounts on sides amidships
12 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 60,0 cal guns - 2,14lbs / 0,97kg shells, 600 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1913 Model
6 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 18.024 lbs / 8.175 kg

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 14,0" / 356 mm 460,00 ft / 140,21 m 11,88 ft / 3,62 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 104% of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
2,00" / 51 mm 460,00 ft / 140,21 m 27,54 ft / 8,39 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 18,0" / 457 mm 5,00" / 127 mm 14,0" / 356 mm
2nd: 3,00" / 76 mm - -
3rd: 0,50" / 13 mm - -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks: 3,00" / 76 mm For and Aft decks

- Conning towers: Forward 14,00" / 356 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 86.079 shp / 64.215 Kw = 27,00 kts
Range 8.300nm at 10,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2.308 tons

Complement:
1.153 - 1.500

Cost:
£3,311 million / $13,244 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 3.644 tons, 11,9%
Armour: 9.101 tons, 29,8%
- Belts: 3.244 tons, 10,6%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 937 tons, 3,1%
- Armament: 2.538 tons, 8,3%
- Armour Deck: 2.087 tons, 6,8%
- Conning Tower: 294 tons, 1,0%
Machinery: 3.316 tons, 10,9%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 11.639 tons, 38,2%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2.803 tons, 9,2%
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
35.038 lbs / 15.893 Kg = 25,5 x 14,0 " / 356 mm shells or 5,5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,14
Metacentric height 6,2 ft / 1,9 m
Roll period: 16,6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 54 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,71
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,08

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,534 / 0,538
Length to Beam Ratio: 6,94 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 26,08 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20,00%, 28,68 ft / 8,74 m, 18,25 ft / 5,56 m
- Forward deck: 30,00%, 18,25 ft / 5,56 m, 18,25 ft / 5,56 m
- Aft deck: 35,00%, 18,25 ft / 5,56 m, 18,25 ft / 5,56 m
- Quarter deck: 15,00%, 18,25 ft / 5,56 m, 18,25 ft / 5,56 m
- Average freeboard: 19,08 ft / 5,82 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 103,7%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 138,1%
Waterplane Area: 45.817 Square feet or 4.256 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 98%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 211 lbs/sq ft or 1.030 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,96
- Longitudinal: 1,41
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

Plan 1917 battleships

Making the jump to a 16in battery the 1917 ships were considerably larger than the previous 1913 class to allow for the increased armantment but otherwise similar in protection and speed.
Plan 1917A, Cisplatina Enter ship type laid down 1917 (Engine 1918)

Displacement:
38.851 t light; 41.012 t standard; 42.426 t normal; 43.557 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(770,00 ft / 770,00 ft) x 108,00 ft x (32,00 / 32,68 ft)
(234,70 m / 234,70 m) x 32,92 m x (9,75 / 9,96 m)

Armament:
12 - 16,00" / 406 mm 45,0 cal guns - 2.100,00lbs / 952,54kg shells, 86 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1917 Model
3 x 4-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
1 raised mount - superfiring
20 - 5,00" / 127 mm 40,0 cal guns - 59,90lbs / 27,17kg shells, 150 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1917 Model
10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
12 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 60,0 cal guns - 2,14lbs / 0,97kg shells, 600 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1917 Model
6 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 26.424 lbs / 11.986 kg

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 14,0" / 356 mm 500,00 ft / 152,40 m 12,12 ft / 3,69 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 100% of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
2,00" / 51 mm 500,00 ft / 152,40 m 29,98 ft / 9,14 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 18,0" / 457 mm 5,00" / 127 mm 14,0" / 356 mm
2nd: 3,00" / 76 mm - -
3rd: 0,50" / 13 mm - -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks: 6,00" / 152 mm For and Aft decks

- Conning towers: Forward 14,00" / 356 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 102.036 shp / 76.119 Kw = 27,00 kts
Range 8.300nm at 10,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2.546 tons

Complement:
1.477 - 1.921

Cost:
£7,798 million / $31,191 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 5.194 tons, 12,2%
Armour: 13.526 tons, 31,9%
- Belts: 3.625 tons, 8,5%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 1.109 tons, 2,6%
- Armament: 3.098 tons, 7,3%
- Armour Deck: 5.326 tons, 12,6%
- Conning Tower: 367 tons, 0,9%
Machinery: 3.681 tons, 8,7%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 16.451 tons, 38,8%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3.575 tons, 8,4%
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
49.435 lbs / 22.423 Kg = 24,1 x 16,0 " / 406 mm shells or 7,5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,13
Metacentric height 7,1 ft / 2,2 m
Roll period: 17,0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 56 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,76
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,12

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,558 / 0,561
Length to Beam Ratio: 7,13 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 27,75 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20,00%, 29,41 ft / 8,96 m, 18,72 ft / 5,71 m
- Forward deck: 30,00%, 18,72 ft / 5,71 m, 18,72 ft / 5,71 m
- Aft deck: 35,00%, 18,72 ft / 5,71 m, 18,72 ft / 5,71 m
- Quarter deck: 15,00%, 18,72 ft / 5,71 m, 18,72 ft / 5,71 m
- Average freeboard: 19,58 ft / 5,97 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 97,2%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 141,2%
Waterplane Area: 58.474 Square feet or 5.432 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 97%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 238 lbs/sq ft or 1.160 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,97
- Longitudinal: 1,24
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

Plan 1921 fast battleships.

Much improved ships taking full advantage of technology developed in the 1910s and lessons from the German-Italian and Shepistani-Dominion wars.
Plan 1921, Cisplatina Enter ship type laid down 1921 (Engine 1922)

Displacement:
46.289 t light; 48.635 t standard; 51.230 t normal; 53.306 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(820,00 ft / 820,00 ft) x 108,00 ft x (34,00 / 35,08 ft)
(249,94 m / 249,94 m) x 32,92 m x (10,36 / 10,69 m)

Armament:
12 - 16,00" / 406 mm 45,0 cal guns - 2.100,00lbs / 952,54kg shells, 86 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1921 Model
3 x 4-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
1 raised mount - superfiring
20 - 5,00" / 127 mm 40,0 cal guns - 59,90lbs / 27,17kg shells, 150 per gun
Dual purpose guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1921 Model
10 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
24 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 60,0 cal guns - 2,14lbs / 0,97kg shells, 600 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1921 Model
12 x Twin mounts on sides amidships
Weight of broadside 26.449 lbs / 11.997 kg

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 15,0" / 381 mm 462,50 ft / 140,97 m 12,47 ft / 3,80 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 87% of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
4,00" / 102 mm 462,50 ft / 140,97 m 31,98 ft / 9,75 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 18,0" / 457 mm 9,00" / 229 mm 15,0" / 381 mm
2nd: 3,00" / 76 mm - -
3rd: 0,50" / 13 mm - -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks: 8,00" / 203 mm For and Aft decks

- Conning towers: Forward 14,00" / 356 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 130.437 shp / 97.306 Kw = 29,00 kts
Range 15.000nm at 10,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 4.671 tons

Complement:
1.702 - 2.213

Cost:
£11,850 million / $47,401 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 5.157 tons, 10,1%
Armour: 18.484 tons, 36,1%
- Belts: 3.813 tons, 7,4%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 2.189 tons, 4,3%
- Armament: 3.917 tons, 7,6%
- Armour Deck: 8.150 tons, 15,9%
- Conning Tower: 416 tons, 0,8%
Machinery: 4.425 tons, 8,6%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 18.208 tons, 35,5%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4.941 tons, 9,6%
Miscellaneous weights: 15 tons, 0,0%
- Hull above water: 15 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
66.629 lbs / 30.222 Kg = 32,5 x 16,0 " / 406 mm shells or 11,0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,11
Metacentric height 6,9 ft / 2,1 m
Roll period: 17,3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 53 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,75
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,06

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and large transom stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,595 / 0,601
Length to Beam Ratio: 7,59 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 33,06 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20,00%, 31,50 ft / 9,60 m, 20,04 ft / 6,11 m
- Forward deck: 30,00%, 20,04 ft / 6,11 m, 20,04 ft / 6,11 m
- Aft deck: 35,00%, 20,04 ft / 6,11 m, 20,04 ft / 6,11 m
- Quarter deck: 15,00%, 20,04 ft / 6,11 m, 20,04 ft / 6,11 m
- Average freeboard: 20,96 ft / 6,39 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 86,8%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 150,7%
Waterplane Area: 67.216 Square feet or 6.245 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 228 lbs/sq ft or 1.111 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,98
- Longitudinal: 1,17
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

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Re: SDN World 3 Ship Design Thread

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In other news, here is the rough draft of my fleet OOB. I haven't finished springsharping the smaller ships, so it could still change. In-service or building Capital ships are almost certainly in final config, though ones yet to be laid down could still change.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key= ... 6bGc&hl=en
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Re: SDN World 3 Ship Design Thread

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And the hordes of cruisers

1914 Armored cruiser.

Essentially Averof if built in 1914 and dreadnought as opposed to semi-dreadnought style.
AC 1913, Cisplatina Armored Cruiser laid down 1914

Displacement:
9.755 t light; 10.197 t standard; 10.906 t normal; 11.474 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(544,55 ft / 525,00 ft) x 70,00 ft x (23,50 / 24,35 ft)
(165,98 m / 160,02 m) x 21,34 m x (7,16 / 7,42 m)

Armament:
8 - 9,20" / 234 mm 47,0 cal guns - 405,00lbs / 183,70kg shells, 90 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1914 Model
2 x 4-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
12 - 5,00" / 127 mm 40,0 cal guns - 59,90lbs / 27,17kg shells, 150 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1914 Model
12 x Single mounts on sides amidships
12 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 62,0 cal guns - 2,15lbs / 0,98kg shells, 150 per gun
Anti-air guns guns in deck mounts, 1914 Model
12 x Single mounts on sides amidships
Weight of broadside 3.985 lbs / 1.807 kg
12 - 21,0" / 533 mm, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m torpedoes - 1,649 t each, 19,782 t total
In 4 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 8,00" / 203 mm 341,25 ft / 104,01 m 10,04 ft / 3,06 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 100% of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 8,00" / 203 mm 4,00" / 102 mm 7,00" / 178 mm
2nd: 3,00" / 76 mm - -
3rd: 0,50" / 13 mm - -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks: 2,00" / 51 mm For and Aft decks

- Conning towers: Forward 7,00" / 178 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 59.211 shp / 44.172 Kw = 28,50 kts
Range 9.000nm at 10,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1.277 tons

Complement:
533 - 693

Cost:
£1,324 million / $5,297 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1.142 tons, 10,5%
- Guns: 1.122 tons, 10,3%
- Torpedoes: 20 tons, 0,2%
Armour: 2.488 tons, 22,8%
- Belts: 1.151 tons, 10,6%
- Armament: 556 tons, 5,1%
- Armour Deck: 706 tons, 6,5%
- Conning Tower: 74 tons, 0,7%
Machinery: 2.281 tons, 20,9%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3.843 tons, 35,2%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1.152 tons, 10,6%
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
12.015 lbs / 5.450 Kg = 30,9 x 9,2 " / 234 mm shells or 1,7 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,22
Metacentric height 4,2 ft / 1,3 m
Roll period: 14,3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 52 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,44
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,04

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,442 / 0,449
Length to Beam Ratio: 7,50 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22,91 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 30,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 5,00 ft / 1,52 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20,00%, 25,20 ft / 7,68 m, 16,04 ft / 4,89 m
- Forward deck: 30,00%, 16,04 ft / 4,89 m, 16,04 ft / 4,89 m
- Aft deck: 35,00%, 16,04 ft / 4,89 m, 16,04 ft / 4,89 m
- Quarter deck: 15,00%, 16,04 ft / 4,89 m, 16,04 ft / 4,89 m
- Average freeboard: 16,77 ft / 5,11 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 99,3%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 130,3%
Waterplane Area: 23.291 Square feet or 2.164 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 129 lbs/sq ft or 632 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,94
- Longitudinal: 1,75
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
AC 1918
AC 1913, Cisplatina Armored Cruiser laid down 1918

Displacement:
10.750 t light; 11.241 t standard; 12.322 t normal; 13.186 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(585,10 ft / 565,00 ft) x 70,00 ft x (23,50 / 24,69 ft)
(178,34 m / 172,21 m) x 21,34 m x (7,16 / 7,52 m)

Armament:
8 - 9,20" / 234 mm 47,0 cal guns - 405,00lbs / 183,70kg shells, 90 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1918 Model
2 x 4-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
12 - 5,00" / 127 mm 40,0 cal guns - 59,90lbs / 27,17kg shells, 150 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1918 Model
12 x Single mounts on sides amidships
12 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 62,0 cal guns - 2,15lbs / 0,98kg shells, 150 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1918 Model
12 x Single mounts on sides amidships
Weight of broadside 3.985 lbs / 1.807 kg
12 - 21,0" / 533 mm, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m torpedoes - 1,665 t each, 19,974 t total
In 4 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 8,00" / 203 mm 368,50 ft / 112,32 m 10,04 ft / 3,06 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 100% of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 8,00" / 203 mm 4,00" / 102 mm 7,00" / 178 mm
2nd: 2,87" / 73 mm - -
3rd: 0,50" / 13 mm - -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks: 2,00" / 51 mm For and Aft decks

- Conning towers: Forward 6,00" / 152 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 76.294 shp / 56.915 Kw = 30,00 kts
Range 15.000nm at 10,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1.945 tons

Complement:
584 - 760

Cost:
£2,283 million / $9,131 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1.144 tons, 9,3%
- Guns: 1.124 tons, 9,1%
- Torpedoes: 20 tons, 0,2%
Armour: 2.630 tons, 21,3%
- Belts: 1.234 tons, 10,0%
- Armament: 553 tons, 4,5%
- Armour Deck: 775 tons, 6,3%
- Conning Tower: 69 tons, 0,6%
Machinery: 2.752 tons, 22,3%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 4.224 tons, 34,3%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1.571 tons, 12,8%
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
13.462 lbs / 6.106 Kg = 34,6 x 9,2 " / 234 mm shells or 1,8 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,24
Metacentric height 4,3 ft / 1,3 m
Roll period: 14,2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,43
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,00

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,464 / 0,473
Length to Beam Ratio: 8,07 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 23,77 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 30,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 5,00 ft / 1,52 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20,00%, 26,15 ft / 7,97 m, 16,64 ft / 5,07 m
- Forward deck: 30,00%, 16,64 ft / 5,07 m, 16,64 ft / 5,07 m
- Aft deck: 35,00%, 16,64 ft / 5,07 m, 16,64 ft / 5,07 m
- Quarter deck: 15,00%, 16,64 ft / 5,07 m, 16,64 ft / 5,07 m
- Average freeboard: 17,40 ft / 5,30 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 100,3%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 135,5%
Waterplane Area: 25.525 Square feet or 2.371 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 127 lbs/sq ft or 622 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,95
- Longitudinal: 1,52
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

Piet Heyn class, armored cruisers
AC 1922, Cisplatina Armored Cruiser laid down 1922

Displacement:
17.156 t light; 18.000 t standard; 19.763 t normal; 21.174 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(681,32 ft / 660,00 ft) x 75,00 ft x (28,00 / 29,44 ft)
(207,67 m / 201,17 m) x 22,86 m x (8,53 / 8,97 m)

Armament:
8 - 12,00" / 305 mm 47,0 cal guns - 900,00lbs / 408,23kg shells, 90 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1922 Model
2 x 4-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
1 raised mount - superfiring
12 - 5,00" / 127 mm 40,0 cal guns - 59,90lbs / 27,17kg shells, 150 per gun
Dual purpose guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1922 Model
12 x Single mounts on sides amidships
12 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 62,0 cal guns - 2,15lbs / 0,98kg shells, 600 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1922 Model
12 x Single mounts on sides amidships
Weight of broadside 7.945 lbs / 3.604 kg
12 - 21,0" / 533 mm, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m torpedoes - 1,681 t each, 20,166 t total
In 4 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 8,00" / 203 mm 480,00 ft / 146,30 m 10,39 ft / 3,17 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 112% of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1,50" / 38 mm 480,00 ft / 146,30 m 24,61 ft / 7,50 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 8,00" / 203 mm 4,00" / 102 mm 7,00" / 178 mm
2nd: 3,00" / 76 mm - -
3rd: 0,50" / 13 mm - -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks: 3,60" / 91 mm For and Aft decks

- Conning towers: Forward 6,00" / 152 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 84.060 shp / 62.708 Kw = 30,00 kts
Range 19.000nm at 10,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3.174 tons

Complement:
833 - 1.083

Cost:
£4,810 million / $19,240 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1.853 tons, 9,4%
- Guns: 1.833 tons, 9,3%
- Torpedoes: 20 tons, 0,1%
Armour: 5.091 tons, 25,8%
- Belts: 1.631 tons, 8,3%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 656 tons, 3,3%
- Armament: 837 tons, 4,2%
- Armour Deck: 1.873 tons, 9,5%
- Conning Tower: 94 tons, 0,5%
Machinery: 2.851 tons, 14,4%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 7.360 tons, 37,2%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2.607 tons, 13,2%
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
23.615 lbs / 10.712 Kg = 27,3 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 3,6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,08
Metacentric height 3,7 ft / 1,1 m
Roll period: 16,3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 51 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,87
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,02

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and large transom stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,499 / 0,509
Length to Beam Ratio: 8,80 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 29,62 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 30,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 5,00 ft / 1,52 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20,00%, 28,26 ft / 8,61 m, 17,98 ft / 5,48 m
- Forward deck: 30,00%, 17,98 ft / 5,48 m, 17,98 ft / 5,48 m
- Aft deck: 35,00%, 17,98 ft / 5,48 m, 17,98 ft / 5,48 m
- Quarter deck: 15,00%, 17,98 ft / 5,48 m, 17,98 ft / 5,48 m
- Average freeboard: 18,80 ft / 5,73 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 111,6%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 138,6%
Waterplane Area: 34.267 Square feet or 3.184 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 109%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 161 lbs/sq ft or 786 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,96
- Longitudinal: 1,41
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
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Thanas wrote:Your large cruiser should have far better range. Otherwise it cannot do what you want it to do - which is to cruise.

Seriously, it has only 30% more range than the coastal defence battleships I am selling for export.
Minimal change to an oil burning rig allowed me to up the cruising range to +5500nm which should be enough to travel from Cameroon to Somalia with out refueling.
Afzal, Sudan Large Cruiser laid down 1918

Displacement:
15,905 t light; 16,639 t standard; 22,140 t normal; 26,541 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(700.00 ft / 700.00 ft) x 76.00 ft (Bulges 82.00 ft) x (25.00 / 29.19 ft)
(213.36 m / 213.36 m) x 23.16 m (Bulges 24.99 m) x (7.62 / 8.90 m)

Armament:
8 - 8.00" / 203 mm 52.0 cal guns - 273.35lbs / 123.99kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1918 Model
4 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, evenly spread
2 raised mounts
8 - 6.50" / 165 mm 45.0 cal guns - 138.47lbs / 62.81kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1918 Model
8 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
6 - 4.00" / 102 mm 35.0 cal guns - 30.00lbs / 13.61kg shells, 150 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1918 Model
6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
6 - 0.75" / 19.1 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.22lbs / 0.10kg shells, 2,000 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts, 1918 Model
6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 3,476 lbs / 1,577 kg
Main DC/AS Mortars
2 - 300.00 lbs / 136.08 kg Depth Charges + 10 reloads - 1.607 t total
in Depth charge throwers

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 7.00" / 178 mm 455.00 ft / 138.68 m 9.14 ft / 2.79 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Upper: 2.00" / 51 mm 455.00 ft / 138.68 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

- Torpedo Bulkhead - Strengthened structural bulkheads:
2.50" / 64 mm 455.00 ft / 138.68 m 18.23 ft / 5.56 m
Beam between torpedo bulkheads 51.00 ft / 15.54 m

- Hull Bulges:
18.0" / 457 mm 200.00 ft / 60.96 m 3.00 ft / 0.91 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 8.00" / 203 mm 2.00" / 51 mm 3.00" / 76 mm
2nd: 2.00" / 51 mm - -
3rd: 1.00" / 25 mm - -
4th: 0.50" / 13 mm - -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 2.50" / 64 mm
Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm Quarter deck: 1.50" / 38 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 2.00" / 51 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 118,269 shp / 88,229 Kw = 31.00 kts
Range 5,524nm at 26.46 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 9,902 tons

Complement:
906 - 1,179

Cost:
£2.900 million / $11.601 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 901 tons, 4.1 %
- Guns: 899 tons, 4.1 %
- Weapons: 2 tons, 0.0 %
Armour: 4,619 tons, 20.9 %
- Belts: 1,508 tons, 6.8 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 767 tons, 3.5 %
- Bulges: 400 tons, 1.8 %
- Armament: 353 tons, 1.6 %
- Armour Deck: 1,557 tons, 7.0 %
- Conning Tower: 34 tons, 0.2 %
Machinery: 4,267 tons, 19.3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,094 tons, 27.5 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 6,235 tons, 28.2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 25 tons, 0.1 %
- On freeboard deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
31,143 lbs / 14,126 Kg = 121.7 x 8.0 " / 203 mm shells or 4.8 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.41
Metacentric height 6.0 ft / 1.8 m
Roll period: 14.0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.21
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.03

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.540 / 0.554
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.54 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 26.46 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 68
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m, 17.00 ft / 5.18 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 17.00 ft / 5.18 m, 17.00 ft / 5.18 m
- Aft deck: 35.00 %, 17.00 ft / 5.18 m, 17.00 ft / 5.18 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 17.00 ft / 5.18 m, 16.50 ft / 5.03 m
- Average freeboard: 17.20 ft / 5.24 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 113.1 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 131.5 %
Waterplane Area: 36,782 Square feet or 3,417 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 138 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 136 lbs/sq ft or 666 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.11
- Longitudinal: 0.96
- Overall: 1.00
Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Ma Deuce wrote:Sorchus, I think you need to totally reconsider your "destroyer" designs (which I would consider to be more of seagoing gunboats). For once thing, they're way too slow for destroyer duties (all real-life destroyers of this era were around 50% faster), and second you're wasting needless tonnage on armor. Aside from maybe some splinter protection over the magazines, armoring destroyers is essentially pointless given their size and role. You should also consider ditching those 6.5 inch guns in exchange for a larger number of smaller guns. Their weight and slow rate of fire is going to make them nearly useless against fast opponents unless they're in powered mounts, which they are not. Also remember that for light combatants that Springsharp allows you to take your composite strength all the way down to 0.5.
I think I shall leave the Hooda alone as more of a destroyer escort. The other design took a major redesign with your advice in mind. As a result it is a whole 2 tons lighter, a whole lot faster and carries an additional 4in gun.
Ziyad, Sudan Destroyer laid down 1921

Displacement:
738 t light; 782 t standard; 886 t normal; 968 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(289.38 ft / 287.00 ft) x 30.00 ft x (12.00 / 12.57 ft)
(88.20 m / 87.48 m) x 9.14 m x (3.66 / 3.83 m)

Armament:
2 - 6.50" / 165 mm 45.0 cal guns - 138.47lbs / 62.81kg shells, 90 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mount, 1921 Model
1 x 2-gun mount on centreline forward
5 - 4.00" / 102 mm 25.0 cal guns - 29.08lbs / 13.19kg shells, 150 per gun
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1921 Model
3 x Single mounts on centreline, aft deck aft
1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, forward deck centre
4 - 0.75" / 19.1 mm 60.0 cal guns - 0.22lbs / 0.10kg shells, 2,000 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts, 1921 Model
4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 423 lbs / 192 kg
Main Torpedoes
4 - 21.0" / 533 mm, 16.00 ft / 4.88 m torpedoes - 1.070 t each, 4.281 t total
submerged bow tubes

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.00" / 25 mm - -

- Box over magazines:
2.00" / 51 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 1.00" / 25 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Petrol Internal combustion motors,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 18,594 shp / 13,871 Kw = 30.25 kts
Range 3,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 186 tons

Complement:
80 - 105

Cost:
£0.259 million / $1.037 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 71 tons, 8.1 %
- Guns: 63 tons, 7.1 %
- Weapons: 9 tons, 1.0 %
Armour: 32 tons, 3.7 %
- Armament: 3 tons, 0.4 %
- Armour Deck: 27 tons, 3.1 %
- Conning Tower: 2 tons, 0.2 %
Machinery: 421 tons, 47.5 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 213 tons, 24.1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 148 tons, 16.7 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
165 lbs / 75 Kg = 1.2 x 6.5 " / 165 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.03
Metacentric height 0.9 ft / 0.3 m
Roll period: 13.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.81
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.07

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.300 / 0.313
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.57 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 16.94 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 62 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 100
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 13.50 ft / 4.11 m, 11.50 ft / 3.51 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 11.50 ft / 3.51 m, 10.50 ft / 3.20 m
- Aft deck: 35.00 %, 10.50 ft / 3.20 m, 10.50 ft / 3.20 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 10.50 ft / 3.20 m, 10.50 ft / 3.20 m
- Average freeboard: 11.01 ft / 3.36 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 196.0 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 129.2 %
Waterplane Area: 5,058 Square feet or 470 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 60 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 28 lbs/sq ft or 137 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.45
- Longitudinal: 1.73
- Overall: 0.51
Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
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Lascaris, all your designs have insufficient armor. Your armor belt is only 12-14 feet, at the very minimum it should be 15-18. Your gunhouse side armor is only 5-8 inches, it should be at least 12. Furthermore, your deck is not armored fully, which means that shells should have a nice time slipping under the main belt and detonating inside. Probably be better if you have at least 2 inch armor there.
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How large should a main armor belt be? Also how much does the height of the free board effect that? Right now I have my main belts on my newly redone 1904 Dreadnought at 11" thick and 6m wide, that goes 3m above and 3m below the waterline, then upper belt covers the rest of the free board with 2.5" of armor. Though now that I think of this some minor tweaks to my designs are going to be needed to make armor coverage work.
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Well, Skimmer told me that 15 feet was the bare minimum and that I should think about having at least 18-20feet as well as a 25-30 feet torpedo bulkhead to protect the ships properly. Or at least that is what I remember and have used in all my designs ever since.
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Then my first Dreadnoughts are good, and I'll recheck the rest of my fleet in short order.
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9-12 18" guns with 16-18" armor belt under 50ktonnes? I'm already struggling to have 9 16"/50 guns with a 15" 560ft long, 18 ft high armor belt, and a 8" deck armor, along with a 21" face, 16" side and barbette for turret armor. Thanas, are you kidding or what?
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I'll post the ship as soon as my budget is finalized. However, I can say right now that the design is feasible and has been shown to several players already - however as you are not an export partner, you did not get to see it until my orbat is finished.

Of course...if you want to buy a ship or two.... :twisted:

To be honest though, I have been fudging with the ship announcements IC due to issues of state secrecy. *And of course there is the small matter of some players not having shown their ship designs at all*
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Thanas wrote:I'll post the ship as soon as my budget is finalized. However, I can say right now that the design is feasible and has been shown to several players already - however as you are not an export partner, you did not get to see it until my orbat is finished.
Eh? How is that possible? The Yamato is pretty much the baseline platform for such a vessel. How much weight savings can you possibly get of the order of 15000 tonnes?
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Like I said, if other people would start posting their designs, I will post mine. At the latest I will do it when I post my budget (which is currently undergoing revision due to further arms orders).

I think given my past designs posted in here, you should believe me when I say something is or is not possible. Also, the Yamato had a much higher top speed and higher range, as well as much, much heavier gun armor.

Also, suffice to say that Steve has seen the Springsharp reports of all my designs.
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I have posted all of my designs and linked to them in the OoB thread if you're interested.
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I've been informing Fin via IM that I'd okayed your designs.
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Quick question, what's the maximum armor thickness possible for the face of the turrets in this era?
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Copy of Steve's provided class with a new class name
Hercules, Britain Dreadnought laid down 1922

Displacement:
46,209 t light; 49,479 t standard; 53,015 t normal; 55,845 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(849.58 ft / 830.00 ft) x 106.00 ft x (32.80 / 34.28 ft)
(258.95 m / 252.98 m) x 32.31 m x (10.00 / 10.45 m)

Armament:
12 - 15.00" / 381 mm 42.0 cal guns - 1,920.01lbs / 870.90kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1922 Model
4 x 3-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 5.00" / 127 mm 50.0 cal guns - 66.16lbs / 30.01kg shells, 350 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1922 Model
8 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
40 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 1.87lbs / 0.85kg shells, 2,000 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1922 Model
5 x 4 row quad mounts on sides, forward evenly spread
2 raised mounts
5 x 4 row quad mounts on sides, aft evenly spread
2 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 24,174 lbs / 10,965 kg

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 17.0" / 432 mm 500.00 ft / 152.40 m 15.00 ft / 4.57 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 93 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
4.00" / 102 mm 500.00 ft / 152.40 m 30.00 ft / 9.14 m
Beam between torpedo bulkheads 86.00 ft / 26.21 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 18.0" / 457 mm 11.0" / 279 mm 14.0" / 356 mm
2nd: 2.00" / 51 mm - -
3rd: 0.20" / 5 mm - -

- Armoured deck - single deck:
For and Aft decks: 9.00" / 229 mm
Forecastle: 2.00" / 51 mm Quarter deck: 2.00" / 51 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 16.00" / 406 mm, Aft 6.00" / 152 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Electric cruising motors plus geared drives, 4 shafts, 74,900 shp / 55,875 Kw = 24.00 kts
Range 9,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 6,366 tons

Complement:
1,746 - 2,270

Cost:
£10.205 million / $40.820 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 3,903 tons, 7.4 %
- Guns: 3,903 tons, 7.4 %
Armour: 22,360 tons, 42.2 %
- Belts: 5,520 tons, 10.4 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 2,220 tons, 4.2 %
- Armament: 4,350 tons, 8.2 %
- Armour Deck: 9,602 tons, 18.1 %
- Conning Towers: 669 tons, 1.3 %
Machinery: 2,541 tons, 4.8 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 17,341 tons, 32.7 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 6,806 tons, 12.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 64 tons, 0.1 %
- Hull above water: 14 tons
- On freeboard deck: 50 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
94,022 lbs / 42,648 Kg = 55.7 x 15.0 " / 381 mm shells or 19.8 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.06
Metacentric height 6.1 ft / 1.9 m
Roll period: 18.0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.85
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.25

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and a round stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.643 / 0.648
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.83 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 28.81 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 40 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 56
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 15.00 ft / 4.57 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 26.00 ft / 7.92 m, 23.00 ft / 7.01 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 23.00 ft / 7.01 m, 18.00 ft / 5.49 m
- Aft deck: 35.00 %, 18.00 ft / 5.49 m, 18.00 ft / 5.49 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 18.00 ft / 5.49 m, 18.00 ft / 5.49 m
- Average freeboard: 19.99 ft / 6.09 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 60.3 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 139.9 %
Waterplane Area: 66,966 Square feet or 6,221 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 120 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 211 lbs/sq ft or 1,031 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.99
- Longitudinal: 1.03
- Overall: 1.00
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
Last edited by Mr Bean on 2009-11-16 12:36pm, edited 1 time in total.

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