Sci Fi power ranking

thecreech · Post by **thecreech** » 2005-04-08 05:47pm

Ok so if we where to take all the Sci fi universes that we know and love and and rank in order of power who would be on top and on bottom. it should look something like this ofcourse i am not a versed as some of you guys so feel free to make corrections

1. The culture
2. Xeelee
3. Starwars
4. WH40k
5.Halo/Startrek
6 Gundam
7. B 5
8. etc

That is just a mock list but how would you rank em and add more universes too

The Guid · Post by **The Guid** » 2005-04-08 06:45pm

Well I know very few I am afraid.
1. Dr. Who.
2. Star Wars
3. Warhammer 40K.
4. Star Trek.
5. Worms.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-04-08 06:48pm

Gundam is WAY below Babylon 5.

Nephtys · Post by **Nephtys** » 2005-04-08 06:52pm

Hell, Gundam should be way below pretty much anything. No FTL, no deep space flight, but.. uh.. hand to hand combat? Not much use in everything above that, where routine travel measures in millions of kilometers or more.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-04-08 06:57pm

Well, the first series is set in 2259, afterall.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-04-08 06:58pm

No wait, fuck, I mean 2159.

18-Till-I-Die · Post by **18-Till-I-Die** » 2005-04-08 07:13pm

Just the ones i know...

#1Xeelee--the epitome of wank and the worst kind of crap to me but to each their own.

#2 Time Lords--what can i say: multiple lives, complete time travel, Death Star scale weapons, virtually indestructible TARDIS ships. Cool Wank.

#3 Skylark--they can destroy entire galaxies, or create new ones, from millions of light-years away. They have weapons with intergalactic range, and STUPID FAST-class FTL drives.

#4 TIE: Lensmen Civilization/The Culture--slower FTL, but immensely powerful weapons, actualy WORKABLE transporters, and the beuaty that is the Effector make The Culture a power that would make Galactus soil himself. On the other end of the spectrum, Civilization controls two galaxies, probably hundreds of trillions of Jedi-level psychics, has virtually instantanious intergalactic FTL as well as realspace FTL, and, oh yeah, they can mass produce supernovas now.

#5 Palpatine's Empire--the Death Star, the Sun Crusher, World Devastators, the beautiful Galaxy Gun...the Empire's superweapons are too numerous to count. Combine that with PTshields and TT range weapons and you got yourself a bad ass.

#6 4th Empire--a huge fleet of Death Star-sized ships capable of vaporizing planets, and armies of bio-enhanced soldiers that would make the Imperium of Man come in their shorts, make them bad asses. Their slow FTL and relatively low missile yields hold them back.

#7 Imperium of Man--firepower close to Palpatine's Empire, and shielding coming close too, plus psionics that would make an Arisian cry, make them very tough, but lacking reliable FTL they are destined to remain also-rans.

thecreech · Post by **thecreech** » 2005-04-08 07:31pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Gundam is WAY below Babylon 5.

Well like i stated i am not as informed i just threw it in the list because it came into my head. thats why i asked you guys

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2005-04-08 07:38pm

The Xeelee should be well above the Culture

Junghalli · Post by **Junghalli** » 2005-04-08 08:01pm

We already had a huge nineteen page thread on this a month ago. Where we left of the list was as follows.

Excission Builders
Xeelee
Time Lords
Skylarkers
Culture
Great Old Ones (Lovecraft)
Xunca (Foster's Commonwealth universe)
Xeeleeverse humanity
Daleks
Systems Commonwealth
Five Galaxies
Necrons
Foundation (as of 600 FE)
Galactic Empire (Foundationverse)
Galactic Empire (Star Wars)
Imperium of Man (WH40K)
Tyrannids
Farscape Ancients
SG1 Ancients (at their height)
Orks (WH40K)
Scarrans
Peacekeepers
Concordiat
Vorlons & Shadows
Borg
Sephirotic metaempire (Orion's Arm)
Republic of Man (Resnick's universe)
Tar Aiym (Foster's Commonwealth universe)
Tau
Zerg
Gao'uld
Dominion
Terran Confederation (Wing Commander)
Kilrathi
Hominid Phylum
Imperium (Dune universe)
Protoss
Starfire universe
Humanx Commonwealth (Foster's Commonwealth universe)
Puppeteers
Covenant
Terran Federation (SST book)
Bugs (SST book)
Haloverse humans
Starcraft Terrans
Wraiths (SG:A)
Federation (Trek)
Romulans
Klingons
Known Space humans
Kziniti (with FTL)
Cardassians
Minbari
League of Nobles (Dune prequel novels)
Synchronized Worlds (Dune prequel novels)
Fifty Spacer Worlds (Foundationverse)
Earth Alliance (B5)
Narn
Terran Federation (SST movie)
Eldar
Cylons
Twelve Colonies (Galactica)
Gundam
The Alien universe
Dark Eldar
ID4 aliens
The Race
Draka (as of 2004)
modern Earth
Necromongers
Footfall aliens
Neanderthal Parallex novels
Bugs (SST movie)
Bantags

SCVN 2812 · Post by **SCVN 2812** » 2005-04-09 12:58am

United Earth and Chigs (Space: Above and Beyond) should probably go above The Race and below the Alien Universe. Not knowing much or anything about the Dark Eldar, I can't really place them exactly.

Hawkwings · Post by **Hawkwings** » 2005-04-09 01:25am

who are the Excission Builders and why are they at the top of the list?

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2005-04-09 01:55am

Excession Builders built a bizzare thingy in the Cultureverse that did a variety of impossible deeds, including interconnecting universes. This is rather powerful.

The Borg are so badly overstated in that list I don't know where to begin. Except to say, in my usual manner, 'Prove it, numbnuts'.

Post by **Kuja** » 2005-04-09 02:01am

Dark Eldar below Gundam?:wtf:

They're weak-ass compared to the other folks in 40K, but not THAT weak.

Nephtys · Post by **Nephtys** » 2005-04-09 02:43am

The problem of absolute listing is that they're not all equal. This is apples-compared-to-oranges stuff here. Race Y might have incredible territory and military size, but might have crap luck in a war with race Z, which has supertech but almost no numbers. Which is like the case there, where the US Army today is listed as higher than the movie Klendathu bugs. Or whatever.

GeneralTacticus · Post by **GeneralTacticus** » 2005-04-09 03:06am

Which idiot decided to rank the Borg above the Tau?

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2005-04-09 03:26am

GeneralTacticus wrote:Which idiot decided to rank the Borg above the Tau?

To say nothing of the Eldar FFS. Burned out husk of a former empire they may be, they're still a vicious civilization.

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2005-04-09 03:36am

#1Xeelee--the epitome of wank and the worst kind of crap to me but to each their own.

Huh. Why d'you think the Xeelee are wank and "the worst kind of crap"? You read the books, or just hear the occasional comment about 'em?

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-04-09 04:52am

GeneralTacticus wrote:Which idiot decided to rank the Borg above the Tau?

The borg have more drones than the Tau have pulse rounds you know. Add to that that the borg's standard means of fighting involves beaming up their victims using what the feds term Protocol 5, which means when their victims arrive, they have no weapons or complicated equipment, and they could actually do a nasty number on most of the outlying septs.

Murazor · Post by **Murazor** » 2005-04-09 06:37am

Excission Builders
Xeelee
Time Lords
Skylarkers
Culture
Great Old Ones (Lovecraft)
Xunca (Foster's Commonwealth universe)
Xeeleeverse humanity
Daleks
Systems Commonwealth

Uh? There is some reason for this that I don't know? If this is the Andromeda systems commonwealth, while it is a fairly powerful civilization with damn fast FTL, last time I checked general agreement was that firepower-wise and production-wise, any of the Galactic Empires was above it.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2005-04-09 06:45am

Where's the Perry Rhodan-verse? Or am I not seeing it? Oh, and Firefly should be at the bottom.

Morat · Post by **Morat** » 2005-04-09 06:49am

Its possible that the SC was ranked that high due to the option of massive WMD deployment. A million ships and fighters carrying nova bombs and extremely fast FTL could put the lights out on most civilizations pretty quickly.

However, that is completely out of character for them. Aside from that, I would agree that they're too high.

Civil War Man · Post by **Civil War Man** » 2005-04-09 07:31am

In that big list, I noticed that there was mention of the Ancients and the Goa'uld from SG-1, but no mention of the Asgard. I imagine they would fall somewhere in between the two (maybe somewhere between the Tau and the Vorlons?). The Ancients seem to be designed to be a step above everyone else, but some threats from the Asgard were able to make the Goa'uld System Lords crap their pants and hammer out a treaty with Earth.

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2005-04-09 07:39am

Morat wrote:Its possible that the SC was ranked that high due to the option of massive WMD deployment. A million ships and fighters carrying nova bombs and extremely fast FTL could put the lights out on most civilizations pretty quickly.

Star Wars also has supernova-inducing bombs. Mass produce that, put it in ISDs and those hyperdrive capable TIEs and you've got a big problem also.

As for the Asgrad, Thor's ship went from near the Asgrad homeworld to right above Earth within an hour, and those two worlds are in two different galaxies. That's gotta count for something!

Omega18 · Post by **Omega18** » 2005-04-09 07:40am

One comment at the moment on the Xunca. While its possible the previous debate covered something about them I missed, from what I can tell we really have been somewhat limited in what we know for sure about their capabilities. As a result, I really don't think we have all that firm a grasp on their overall capabilities other than they definately were capable of intergalatic travel, and admitedly we learned some more things from learning about the Howling Stones. (Alan Dean Foster has suggested they will come up again in a later book, so this could change in the future.)

Note: I'm not really disagreeing with their ranking persay and its possible once we get more info it will turn it that it is appropriate.