John McClane vs Indiana Jones
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John McClane vs Indiana Jones
Put simply, which movie hero has demonstrated the greater performance in human endurance and feats? We can discount the fridge incident for Indy if that makes it fairer.
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Re: John McClane vs Indiana Jones
Even without the atomic bomb scene, Indiana Jones is still superhuman by any definition. Consider: in the very first movie, he managed to hold onto a submerged german u-boat while it dragged him all the way to the island where the Ark of the Covenant was. Even an hour of holding onto that sub would take more endurance than any real human being could ever manage. I don't know for sure, but I don't think John McClane has any feat comparable under his belt.
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Re: John McClane vs Indiana Jones
Early German U-boats weren't capable of staying underwater for prolonged periods, in some cases being actually faster on the surface, and we never saw it dive. Clinging to a pitching deck with no railings or safety line for a period of several hours still counts though.
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Re: John McClane vs Indiana Jones
Especially in the freezing waters of the sea in little more than tropical wear. It is so totally outrageous, but the movie brushed over it with a scene transition unlike the sheer in you faceness of the refrigerator scene.
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I could have sworn we saw Indy in the sub a bit later in a uniform. Oh well.
In any event, Dr. Jones has survived supernatural events....
In any event, Dr. Jones has survived supernatural events....
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Re: John McClane vs Indiana Jones
I say just pair the two and set them loose in Berlin to knock German heads, we'll call it Inglorious Basterds II.
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Re: John McClane vs Indiana Jones
He was in the Mediterranean, would the water have been that cold?Agent Sorchus wrote:Especially in the freezing waters of the sea in little more than tropical wear. It is so totally outrageous, but the movie brushed over it with a scene transition unlike the sheer in you faceness of the refrigerator scene.
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Re: John McClane vs Indiana Jones
How does a 404 fit in this thread?adam_grif wrote:You'd have to make that Inglorious Bastards 3, actually.
Also, why is this in SciFi?
As for the OP, I side with IJ.
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Re: John McClane vs Indiana Jones
Well, Indy at least is sorta scifi as of KOTCS.adam_grif wrote:You'd have to make that Inglorious Bastards 3, actually.
Also, why is this in SciFi?
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He wasn't on the sub anymore during the uniform scene. The Sub had already docked on the island by that time.Solauren wrote:I could have sworn we saw Indy in the sub a bit later in a uniform.
Anyway... Indy was 58 years old by the time of The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull and he's still runing around, using his whip to jump into moving vehicles and beating the crap out of russian soldiers that might very well be 30 years younger than him. Also, let's not forget that he was able to reist Spalko's mind reading powers (and as requested, not including the fridge scene).
On the other hand... John was 52 years old by the time of Live Free or Die Hard and he was also runing around beating people, bringing down helicopters using cars, and taking lots and lots of punishment.
This is a tough call... Both of them can take inhuman ammounts of punishment even on their old age, but I side with Indy.
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McClane has often fallen against hard solid surfaces from not-inconsiderable heights (e.g. the aircraft wing in Die Harder, falling thirty feet into the metal deck of a ship in Vengeance)--and often simply gets up and is hopping around within moments. Does that count for anything?
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This one should work.Enigma wrote:How does a 404 fit in this thread?adam_grif wrote:You'd have to make that Inglorious Bastards 3, actually.
Also, why is this in SciFi?
As for the OP, I side with IJ.
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At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at the back of the room got up and said: 'What you have told us is rubbish. The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise.
The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, 'What is the tortoise standing on?'
'You're very clever, young man, very clever,' said the old lady. 'But it's turtles all the way down.'
At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at the back of the room got up and said: 'What you have told us is rubbish. The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise.
The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, 'What is the tortoise standing on?'
'You're very clever, young man, very clever,' said the old lady. 'But it's turtles all the way down.'
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Re: John McClane vs Indiana Jones
I'd have to go with McClane, because he's far more violent than Indy. There's advantages to not having a PG rating.
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Re: John McClane vs Indiana Jones
McClaine's pretty good at dealing with improvised situations, while Indy is good at besting traps designed to intentionally kill people.
McClaine has faced terrorists and paramilitary criminal types, whereas Indy has faced pretty much the gamut of the Third Reich (Ground troops, Luftwaffe and Navy as well as various SS agents). He's also faced Soviet special forces. I'd say the class, quality, number, and resources Indy has faced far outstrips the limited forces arrayed against McClaine. Add to that the Wrath of God, mental powers, aliens, crumbling buildings, I'd say that Indy has faced far more significant threats and walked away.
So, going by the difficulties faced & quantity, quality & type of adversaries bested, I have to give this to Indy.
McClaine has faced terrorists and paramilitary criminal types, whereas Indy has faced pretty much the gamut of the Third Reich (Ground troops, Luftwaffe and Navy as well as various SS agents). He's also faced Soviet special forces. I'd say the class, quality, number, and resources Indy has faced far outstrips the limited forces arrayed against McClaine. Add to that the Wrath of God, mental powers, aliens, crumbling buildings, I'd say that Indy has faced far more significant threats and walked away.
So, going by the difficulties faced & quantity, quality & type of adversaries bested, I have to give this to Indy.
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