Quite a broad-ranging subject, this one. Basically, what terrible films do you love, even though you know they suck? It can be anything from deliberately bad films like some grindhouse flicks, to poorly conceived and poorly made toilet. It can be loved for any reason - maybe it has one incredible scene or moment in it amongst all the crap ones, maybe it's endlessly quotable, maybe it's just so much damn fun that you forgive its massive shortcomings. Maybe it's a simple case of being so bad it's good.
Some of mine:
- Pacific Rim. I know full well this is a terrible, terrible film. A script that could've been written by a 6 year old. Horrendously cliched and even offensive characters. A story that makes as much sense as my dog's eternal battle with the vacuum cleaner. And yet as discussed on this board before, I find it so brainlessly enjoyable I'll happily sit down to watch it if it's on, or at the very least skip to the fight scenes which are incredibe to see.
- Independence Day. First time I saw it a good 12 years ago, it immediately became my favourite film (I was . An absolute blast, and I still love the nuke scene. Even today I have a great fondness for it, appalling though it may be, for very similiar reasons to Pacific Rim.
Yeah, I've always taken the subtext of the Birther movement to be, "The rules don't count here! This is different! HE'S BLACK! BLACK, I SAY! ARE YOU ALL BLIND!?
- Raw Shark
Destiny and fate are for those too weak to forge their own futures. Where we are 'supposed' to be is irrelevent.
Those original movies from SF. You know, megashark and giant piranhas and what not. You can't beat that.
It has become clear to me in the previous days that any attempts at reconciliation and explanation with the community here has failed. I have tried my best. I really have. I pored my heart out trying. But it was all for nothing.
You win. There, I have said it.
Now there is only one thing left to do. Let us see if I can sum up the strength needed to end things once and for all.
Pacific Rim was amazing, and fuck anyone that says otherwise.
On the other hand, Six String Samurai could legitimately be called terrible (90s post apocalyptic film), but the sheer comedy value made it enjoyable enough that I simply didn't care.
"It's you Americans. There's something about nipples you hate. If this were Germany, we'd be romping around naked on the stage here."
The Final Countdown has the worst pacing problem ever. The audience knows ten minutes into the movie that they went back in time, but an hour in they're still debating it and largely in denial. Which is admittedly realistic for people inadvertently flung through time.
Mother, Juggs and Speed is a major nostalgic film for me, but boy does it have problems. Then again, it has Bill Cosby as a lovable maniac, so maybe it all evens out.
"Any plan which requires the direct intervention of any deity to work can be assumed to be a very poor one."- Newbiespud
'The Final Countdown' was awesome. Well, technically it wasn't because it's true, as a movie it was something of a letdown, but it was awesome for showing what happens (or was about to happen) when you put a 1980s era CVN up against the WW2 era IJN.
'Street Fighter'. That movie is so incredibly bad it's good (or at least entertaining) again. Unless 'so bad it's good again' entries aren't allowed?
'Next time I let Superman take charge, just hit me. Real hard.'
'You're a princess from a society of immortal warriors. I'm a rich kid with issues. Lots of issues.'
'No. No dating for the Batman. It might cut into your brooding time.'
'Tactically we have multiple objectives. So we need to split into teams.'-'Dibs on the Amazon!'
'Hey, we both have a Martian's phone number on our speed dial. I think I deserve the benefit of the doubt.'
'You know, for a guy with like 50 different kinds of vision, you sure are blind.'
Batman wrote:'Street Fighter'. That movie is so incredibly bad it's good (or at least entertaining) again. Unless 'so bad it's good again' entries aren't allowed?
"So bad it's good" is a FUCKING STUPID descriptor, because it describes nothing. "So bad, it provides endless opportunities to laugh at how bad it is, and the movie is good entertainment for that reason," is an acceptable one, because a reason is provided. A cliché should make sense to the average person, before it becomes popular enough to become a cliché; if you simply shout, "so bad it's good," the way characters in 1984 shout, "freedom is slavery," you're just being a troll.
Those gun nuts do not understand the meaning of "overkill," and will simply use weapon after weapon of mass destruction (WMD) until the monster is dead, or until they run out of weapons.
They have more WMD than there are monsters for us to fight. (More insanity here.)
I appreciate pedantry as much as the next guy, but why do you think people use "so bad it's good" except as shorthand for "So bad, it provides endless opportunities to laugh at how bad it is, and the movie is good entertainment for that reason?"
“Heroes are heroes because they are heroic in behavior, not because they won or lost.” Nassim Nicholas Taleb
Esquire wrote:I appreciate pedantry as much as the next guy, but why do you think people use "so bad it's good" except as shorthand for "So bad, it provides endless opportunities to laugh at how bad it is, and the movie is good entertainment for that reason?"
Because it uses and confuses the metric of good/bad film and good/bad entertainment. There's a big difference.
"Oh no, oh yeah, tell me how can it be so fair
That we dying younger hiding from the police man over there
Just for breathing in the air they wanna leave me in the chair
Electric shocking body rocking beat streeting me to death"
- A.B. Original, Report to the Mist
"I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately."
- George Carlin
Not sure I follow - my claim is that "so bad it's good" is a shortened version of the alternative Sidewinder gave, and a fairly intuitive one. I didn't need to have it explained in a particularly painstaking manner, I don't think, and everybody I talk to about movies agrees on what the phrase means. All that being true (and it may not be), what's being confused?
“Heroes are heroes because they are heroic in behavior, not because they won or lost.” Nassim Nicholas Taleb
Esquire wrote:Not sure I follow - my claim is that "so bad it's good" is a shortened version of the alternative Sidewinder gave, and a fairly intuitive one. I didn't need to have it explained in a particularly painstaking manner, I don't think, and everybody I talk to about movies agrees on what the phrase means. All that being true (and it may not be), what's being confused?
Some people just like to drag on and use 50 words where 5 suffice as if they were in a court room. That's all, I think.
It has become clear to me in the previous days that any attempts at reconciliation and explanation with the community here has failed. I have tried my best. I really have. I pored my heart out trying. But it was all for nothing.
You win. There, I have said it.
Now there is only one thing left to do. Let us see if I can sum up the strength needed to end things once and for all.
Yes, I stand by that notion. A great movie regarded as terrible for no good reason.
A minute's thought suggests that the very idea of this is stupid. A more detailed examination raises the possibility that it might be an answer to the question "how could the Germans win the war after the US gets involved?" - Captain Seafort, in a thread proposing a 1942 'D-Day' in Quiberon Bay
No Retreat No surrender. What's not to love? An early appearance by the Muscles from Brussels, only Van Damme played a Russian fighter. Kurt McKinney was in an early phase of his acting career and just over acted. But it was hell awesome.
Never apologise for being a geek, because they won't apologise to you for being an arsehole. John Barrowman - 22 June 2014 Perth Supernova.
Countries I have been to - 14.
Australia, Canada, China, Colombia, Denmark, Ecuador, Finland, Germany, Malaysia, Netherlands, Norway, Singapore, Sweden, USA.
Always on the lookout for more nice places to visit.
Yes, there is a movie about a serial killer stalking people at an ATM machine. Yes, all of the "victims" are far too dumb to live. Yes, the killer's "plans" were ridiculously stupid and contrived, especially towards the end. And yes, I found the concept absolutely hilarious.
Bonus points for watching the movie without having read about it before hand. I suspected from the title that something like this was going to happen, but I didn't know how gloriously cheesy it would get.
"I reject your reality and substitute my own!" - The official Troll motto, as stated by Adam Savage
Batman wrote:'The Final Countdown' was awesome. Well, technically it wasn't because it's true, as a movie it was something of a letdown, but it was awesome for showing what happens (or was about to happen) when you put a 1980s era CVN up against the WW2 era IJN.
I also like it for the F-14 porn. It's also kind of cool to see the US Navy from that era.
By the pricking of my thumb,
Something wicked this way comes.
Open, locks,
Whoever knocks.
Does Equilibrium count? Rated 37% on Rotten Tomatoes, though I just found that 82% of the RT members who voted liked it.
Whatever. I liked it.
If The Infinity Program were not a forum, it would be a pie-in-the-sky project. “Faith is both the prison and the open hand.”— Vienna Teng, "Augustine."
Trashy sci-fi - mentions so far for waterworld, equilibrium and independence day, but no love for armageddon?
There's a whole range of Japanese stuff - tetsuo for example
"Aid, trade, green technology and peace." - Hans Rosling.
"Welcome to SDN, where we can't see the forest because walking into trees repeatedly feels good, bro." - Mr Coffee
The Adventures of Pluto Nash. It almost reminds me of a Sinatra movie, only sci-fi. And Eddie Murphy makes a surprisingly good straight-man.
There are hardly any excesses of the most crazed psychopath that cannot easily be duplicated by a normal kindly family man who just comes in to work every day and has a job to do.
-- (Terry Pratchett, Small Gods)
Replace "ginger" with "n*gger," and suddenly it become a lot less funny, doesn't it?
-- fgalkin
The underworld movies. First movie is really good, second and following less so in terms of story, but I just really like the visual design and style of the movies.
Whoever says "education does not matter" can try ignorance
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A decision must be made in the life of every nation at the very moment when the grasp of the enemy is at its throat. Then, it seems that the only way to survive is to use the means of the enemy, to rest survival upon what is expedient, to look the other way. Well, the answer to that is 'survival as what'? A country isn't a rock. It's not an extension of one's self. It's what it stands for. It's what it stands for when standing for something is the most difficult! - Chief Judge Haywood
------------ My LPs
I forgot about the Final Countdown, that was a fun flick. Too bad they ran out of money on the way to stopping the Pearl Harbor attack. Pacific Rim and The 13th Warrior are also firm favorites.
Godzilla vs. Hedorah (The Smog Monster). Yes, Godzilla flies, yes the military is nearly nowhere to be found, and yes the cartoons included are real trips. But the film has the biggest message to sell since the original 1954 Godzilla, and Hedorah is so creepy and the tone so dark that the film sucks you in anyway. Lotsa people get maimed and killed here, and in very messy ways. It’s an amazing mix of horror and camp, a 70’s Japanese SyFy.
The Last Samurai. Historical fantasy fiction where the samurai ideals are touted without a hint to their reality, like celebrating old south plantation life while completely ignoring slavery. Everyone I talk to stays away from it just because Tom Cruise is in it. But I think the Japanese actors, costumes, sets, and overall production are terrific, and Watanabe as Katsumoto deserved an Oscar, delivering a performance that Cruise’s presence can’t diminish. Come to think of it, I think I liked 47 Ronin for the same reasons.
Creature. The 1985 Alien clone that tries so hard. Zombie crewmen, Klaus Kinski, face-ripping, exploding heads, and recycled spacesuits from 2001. It steals directly from The Thing From Another World in a nice homage, too. It’s nice to see it’s a Netflix staple.
The Green Slime. An American production with Italian funding, Italian and American actors, and Japanese special effects/direction. This is how Armageddon wouldn’t have sucked so much if it was shorter. Then the loony monsters show and it gets crazier. I love this film.
Night of the Lepus. Giant Killer Rabbits. And Dr. McCoy. ‘Nuff said.
"In the long run, however, there can be no excuse for any individual not knowing what it is possible for him to know. Why shouldn't he?" --Elliot Grosvenor, Voyage of the Space Beagle
Thanas wrote:The underworld movies. First movie is really good, second and following less so in terms of story, but I just really like the visual design and style of the movies.
I'll second those. It doesn't hurt that Kate Beckinsale looks damn hot as a vampire in that black outfit.
I also like the Resident Evil movies. I've barely play the first game, and the movies aren't all that great but I enjoy them anyway.
By the pricking of my thumb,
Something wicked this way comes.
Open, locks,
Whoever knocks.
. An absolute blast, and I still love the nuke scene. Even today I have a great fondness for it, appalling though it may be, for very similiar reasons to Pacific Rim.
