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What should have happened to "Bob"

1. Promote him to a managerial position for showing ingenuity
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2. Fire him and then outsource similar positions to elsewhere so we don't have to hire any more lazy people like Bob.
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3. Keep him in the same position - If management can outsource his job, why can't he, as long as the work remains of high quality
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4. Fire him - we pay him to do the job, not surf for cat videos.
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This story has been going on several websites, but I thought this one would be the better link

http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunity/20 ... stead.html
Developer outsources his own job to China, watches cat videos instead
by Lauren O'Neil Posted: January 16, 2013 9:07 PM

An investigation into a quiet software developer's browsing history found he'd been secretly subcontracting his job to a Chinese firm so that he could surf Reddit and watch cat videos at work, according to a blog post by security experts at U.S. telecom firm Verizon Enterprise Solutions
"We received a request from a U.S.-based company asking for our help in understanding some anomalous activity that they were witnessing in their [virtual private network] logs," said Andrew Valentine, a forensics manager at Verizon in a post on the the company's website on Wednesday.

The company at which the man worked, which is not named on Verizon's blog, discovered in May 2012 that someone in Shenyang, China, was using an employee's log-in information to access their network – a service set up two years earlier so employees could work virtually from home on certain days.

The log-in belonged to "Bob," a mid-40s family man with a "relatively long tenure with the company," Valentine said. "Someone you wouldn’t look at twice in an elevator."

"Plainly stated, the VPN logs showed him logged in from China, yet the employee is right there, sitting at his desk, staring into his monitor," says Valentine. "Based on what information they had obtained, the company initially suspected some kind of unknown malware that was able to route traffic from a trusted internal connection to China, and then back.

Verizon investigators were called in to help and seized Bob's computer for clues, suspecting an external attack may have come from a corrupted download.

"What we found surprised us – hundreds of PDF invoices from a third party contractor/developer in [you
guessed it] Shenyang, China," Valentine said.

The quiet and inoffensive employee had been outsourcing his job, for about a fifth of his six-figure salary.

According to the blog post, a typical ‘work day' for Bob looked like this:

• 9am: Arrive and surf Reddit for a couple of hours, watch cat videos
• 11.30am: Take lunch
• 1pm: eBay
• 2pm-ish: Facebook updates, LinkedIn
• 4.40pm-end of day: Update email to management
• 5pm: Go home.
Valentine writes the best part of the investigation was being able to see Bob's performance reviews while they worked alongside the company's human resources department.

"His code was clean, well written, and submitted in a timely fashion," Valentine said. "Quarter after quarter, his performance review noted him as the best developer in the building."
Other sources say that he was working several jobs at once. I wonder how his tax return would look like. Would he list the outsourcing as a deduction?

On another note, he must love cat videos.
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I just found a duplicate thread in OT http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=157633

Can a mod please merge the threads?
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None of the above.
Fire him because he allowed access to the company's whatever (proprietary work, passwords, servers).
This isn't Star Trek where you make Captain for cheating on a test.
THEN fire everyone else and outsource to the company that clearly is doing better work than your employees.
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Havok wrote:None of the above.
Fire him because he allowed access to the company's whatever (proprietary work, passwords, servers).
This isn't Star Trek where you make Captain for cheating on a test.
THEN fire everyone else and outsource to the company that clearly is doing better work than your employees.
I wouldn't do the last bit - there's no guarantee that they can scale up the volume of their work to replace everyone - but I'd definitely fire this guy for giving out his passwords, and then hire his subcontractor to do his job, for double what Bob was paying them. I save 60% of Bob's salary, his subcontractor gets a big pay rise, everybody wins.
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Anyone who thinks it's 'ingenious' to probably violate every single page of his employment contract might be in for a shock in the workforce.

It's just a laugh it took so long to notice.
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Nice work if you can get it, eh?

Waaaaaaaaait a minute. Wasn't there a story about this in The Onion a couple of years ago?
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The Four Hour Work Week

This guy basically did pretty much what was recommended in this book; Ferriss basically says straight up to outsource your job (he suggests India, but I suppose China might be the new India or something) after setting yourself up to "work from home", which is where this dude failed-- if he had simply had his contractor send him the work at his home computer and then forwarded them to his work, that'd have eliminated the whole company picking up on it.

Book is essentially a lengthy spiel on "I'm awesome, I did this and SO CAN YOU"... can't believe my wife wasted $20 on that book four years ago...
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Stark wrote:Anyone who thinks it's 'ingenious' to probably violate every single page of his employment contract might be in for a shock in the workforce.

It's just a laugh it took so long to notice.
"Ingenious"? not really - The idea of farming out work to subcontractors is hardly new, but someone taking the initiative and doing it off the books is new, to me at least. Smart and legal? definitely not.
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mr friendly guy wrote:Other sources say that he was working several jobs at once. I wonder how his tax return would look like. Would he list the outsourcing as a deduction?
Why wouldn't he? It's an expense he has from work. His job is to deliver good code, and this expense helped him do so. The civil contract between employer and employee doesn't really bother the tax authorities.

That guy should have become a freelancer, then they wouldn't have detected him. Or found a company, then letting other people do your work and keep most of the profit is called "management", and a sign of great personal skills.
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Welf wrote:
mr friendly guy wrote:Other sources say that he was working several jobs at once. I wonder how his tax return would look like. Would he list the outsourcing as a deduction?
Why wouldn't he? It's an expense he has from work. His job is to deliver good code, and this expense helped him do so. The civil contract between employer and employee doesn't really bother the tax authorities.

That guy should have become a freelancer, then they wouldn't have detected him. Or found a company, then letting other people do your work and keep most of the profit is called "management", and a sign of great personal skills.
This. What he did evidently improved the quality of his work, while reducing his personal stress and costing the company not a dime more. Further, he demonstrated initiative and resource management skills. He should have been promoted for this.
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Then promptly fired for shipping his authentication token to an unauthorized third party, which is spectacularly bad judgment.
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As an IT goon myself, I concur. Fucks given about the outsourcing itself: zero. The massively, egregiously stupid security breach, however...
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As a former Systems Admin Shipping his authentication code trumps the positives. Fire his ass and sue.
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Welf wrote:That guy should have become a freelancer, then they wouldn't have detected him. Or found a company, then letting other people do your work and keep most of the profit is called "management", and a sign of great personal skills.
Then he would have had to build his own relationships and network, and run his own career, instead of do nothing all day. I think you've misjudged this guy a tiny bit. Obviously your understanding of management is infantile, but that's not relevant.

But man 'getting someone else to do it' 'improved' the 'quality' of 'his' work. That's gold!

In the context of people whining about globalisation (Apple should run factories in America at reduced profit just ... because) this is just hilarious. Yes, there are cheap and quality skilled people available elsewhere in the world. Everyone knows this. If they should promote this guy (because... nerd champion I guess) they should fire all his workmates, because they are literally useless, and just outsource. :lol:
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Fire him, and then arrange for a special visa to get the Chinese dude over and give him this guy's job for the same pay. Heck, you may even get by with a smaller benefits package since he's new to the company.
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I doubt it was one Chinese Dude, it's more likely a small outsource specialist company, with his work shared out between people with different specialisations. He wouldn't have been the only client either.

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Elheru Aran wrote:(he suggests India, but I suppose China might be the new India or something)
China is the new India, for IT outsourcing. Just last week I was organising some (customer provided) offshore resource for a project, and I was asked to use China if possible, because specialist skill requirements (C++ is a specialist skill apparently) could be met at much lower cost. Apparently the problem is that intense competition for talented developers in Bangalore, Pune etc has driven salaries (for good devs) up beyond what the classic outsourcing bulk-cheap-programmers compensation model can handle. I insisted on India even if it cost more, because while a 5.5 hour time difference seriously impedes co-operative development, an 8 hour time difference kills it completely, and the project isn't one that would work with the 'two completely separate teams sharing a code base' model. I guess that's not a factor in the US where there is no working hours overlap for either site.
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Fire him. Giving out the authentication key is a seriously bad idea (wonder if they can sue him for doing that)?
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madd0ct0r wrote:Artificially restrict free movement of labour? Then the capital will have to move. The market finds a way.
LOL

Starglider, in the specifically programming side of outsourcing markets, at what level are the tasks split? Does a contractor give an entire task to a subcontractor who arranges it to be done by whatever combination of people is cheapest, or does the contractor break it into cheaper/more logical parts to contract out individually? Is this decision motivated by money or security or simple project management concerns?
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Stark wrote:Starglider, in the specifically programming side of outsourcing markets, at what level are the tasks split? Does a contractor give an entire task to a subcontractor who arranges it to be done by whatever combination of people is cheapest, or does the contractor break it into cheaper/more logical parts to contract out individually? Is this decision motivated by money or security or simple project management concerns?
There are companies offering every model you can imagine. In finance, the prevailing model is banks setting up their own fully owned Indian subsiduaries that employ staff directly, because of concerns about intellectual property, security, liability and control of delivery. In other industries e.g. my (limited) experience of telecoms local contract agencies provide bodies en masse (e.g. first-line support staff, testers, enterprise Java code grinders). Certainly some Indian outsourcing companies (e.g. Wipro) have been successful at moving further up the value chain and do plenty of business as general IT consultancies, offering the whole package from business analysis to implementation. In fact the issue I mentioned in my earlier post is largely due to companies selling consulting and software products directly hiring away the best developers from the bodyshops and in-house 'cheap developer farms'. In general of course it's good that Indian salaries continue to rise, and ultimately the migration of the 'cheapest possible human resource' money into China will enable the same kind of development of skillsets and companies there.
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The programming industry seems really suited to outsourcing to an outsider, because it doesn't involve factories and yet is predictable in production. The concerns like ownership, security and oversight are important, and especially relevant to this 'joke' that people laugh at right after being worried about their job security. :v
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Starglider wrote: China is the new India, for IT outsourcing. Just last week I was organising some (customer provided) offshore resource for a project, and I was asked to use China if possible, because specialist skill requirements (C++ is a specialist skill apparently) could be met at much lower cost. Apparently the problem is that intense competition for talented developers in Bangalore, Pune etc has driven salaries (for good devs) up beyond what the classic outsourcing bulk-cheap-programmers compensation model can handle. I insisted on India even if it cost more, because while a 5.5 hour time difference seriously impedes co-operative development, an 8 hour time difference kills it completely, and the project isn't one that would work with the 'two completely separate teams sharing a code base' model. I guess that's not a factor in the US where there is no working hours overlap for either site.
There are companies in India and the Phillipines that specifically run on American schedules for just this reason.

That said, I know people who 'do this for a living' and regularly fail because they refuse to learn how to do anything themselves. My mind is on the security breach here too - fire and sue - but this guy would not have gotten away with this if he was completely clueless about coding. I've rescued my own share of crappy outsourcing attempts.
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Stark wrote:The programming industry seems really suited to outsourcing to an outsider, because it doesn't involve factories and yet is predictable in production. The concerns like ownership, security and oversight are important, and especially relevant to this 'joke' that people laugh at right after being worried about their job security. :v
You're right for an overwhelming majority of cases, but it's amusing how companies think it applies for *all*. I work in embedded software (the software that controls electronic devices at the most basic level) and my companies has more than once had to rescue clients who outsourced the software and realised that doing QA on actual devices is as expensive as the cost differential in outsourcing. Plus we use Agile programming techniques so they're kept in the loop (with working demos et al) better than they could ever be over 6000 miles.
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