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Chase Bank Is Shutting Down Porn Actors' Bank Accounts

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Reportedly, Chase Bank recently sent letters to hundreds of porn performers informing them that their accounts will be shut down by mid-May. This isn't the first time Chase has targeted those who work in the adult industry — and, sadly, I doubt it will be the last.

According to Perez Hilton (I know, I'm sorry), hundreds of letters went out to members of the adult industry informing them, "We recently reviewed your account and determined that it will be closing on May 11, 2014." The letter goes on to apologize for the inconvenience and instruct the recipient to cancel all automatic deposits and withdrawals.

Sex work is never specifically mentioned, but — as Kitty Stryker points out at The Frisky — Chase has a dubious history of discriminating against people in the adult industry (and even people who just do work that's related to sexuality). Last year, for instance, Chase refused to process payments for Lovability, a company that sells condoms and promotes female sexual empowerment, because condoms are "adult-oriented material" and thus a "reputational risk." After Lovability CEO Tiffany Gaines engaged in a high-profile protest against the company, the bank agreed to process Lovability's payments — but, notably, not to remove condoms from the "prohibited adult" category. Gaines responded to this decision on xoJane:

Chase's ability to pass judgment calls on what we can buy and sell is a breach of everyone's rights... We cannot allow any large corporations like Chase bank to get away with governing our ability to take responsibility for our sexual health.


A month after this, former softcore porn producer Marc L. Greenberg sued Chase for refusing to underwrite a loan for "moral reasons." Greenberg approached the bank for help refinancing one of his properties; although he had an annual income of $500,000 and a net worth of $10 million, his request was ignored for four months. Finally, a high-ranking official at the bank told him that his loan application had been refused due to "JPMorgan's disapproval of plaintiff's former source of income and occupation as an owner of a television production company that produced television programs that dealt with the subject of human sexuality." It doesn't matter if the money is legally earned: if it has anything to do with sex, Chase views it as sordid.

If Chase is really shutting down the personal bank accounts of members of the porn industry just because they do porn, that's pretty fucking dire. Banks shouldn't have the right to deny people access to their services for purely political or "moral" reasons — after all, sex work is work, too, and working in porn is perfectly legal. To decree that it's "immoral" or "reputationally damaging" and thus a liability isn't some kind of business decision: it's discrimination.
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Pretty much every online money transfer company does - or threatens to do - the same bullshit. It would be great if there was an alternative to Paypal or whatever that wasn't run by puritan assholes.
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Grumman wrote:Pretty much every online money transfer company does - or threatens to do - the same bullshit. It would be great if there was an alternative to Paypal or whatever that wasn't run by puritan assholes.
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No, too much daily variation and mob connections.
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Thanas wrote:No, too much daily variation and mob connections.
If you are using a payment processor like BitPay, the volatility would be managed on their end. Cash has a lot of 'mob connections' too, but thankfully the central banks cannot withold cash from people in the porn industry due to their moralistic nonsense.
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It sounds like it could be discrimination to close a bank account based on a legal (even if morally dubious) profession. It's not much farther to go ahead and close bank accounts based on religious or political affiliations...
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Stas Bush wrote:Bitcoin?
You might then go ahead and accept pay in tulip bulbs or rare early issues of Spiderman too.
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Stas Bush wrote:If you are using a payment processor like BitPay, the volatility would be managed on their end. Cash has a lot of 'mob connections' too, but thankfully the central banks cannot withold cash from people in the porn industry due to their moralistic nonsense.
They also could use Dogecoin? It's a joke like Bitcoin, but both the user and creators laugh.
Also, what would BitPay keep from cancelling contracts at will?

The best thing to do for the customers is to look for a better bank. The worst thing is that they will pay higher interest rates for the rest of their lives because they now are marked with a cancelled bank account. That lowers any credit rating. :(
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If they close the account before the bank does then it shouldn't go on their credit report... but then the bank will say they left "voluntarily".
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Not surprising; I'm pretty sure Chase is ran by a bunch of sexually frustrated, poo flinging howler monkeys.
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If banks were serious about not dealing with anyone who profits from immoral behavior, they'd have to stop dealing with each other and themselves.
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Zeropoint wrote:If banks were serious about not dealing with anyone who profits from immoral behavior, they'd have to stop dealing with each other and themselves.
The thing is that screwing somebody over should be immoral behavior. . . .
Sex, even sex for money, should not be immoral behavior.
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Some payment processors won't work with porn studios and distribution companies because of high chargeback percentages on customer credit cards ("Girls Gone Wild" used to be notorious for that), but there are a few that specialize in processing payments for porn companies, like RedPass.

In any case, that's not what happened here. It sounds like they identified a bunch of adult film actors and actresses and terminated all of their real-name accounts. Their personal accounts (at least according to Teagan Presley, one of the actresses affected), not business accounts associated with their stage names.

It's legal, but pretty shitty.
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How are they going to be sifting through to see if any of their customers bought porn? Presumably they'll be as keen to shut their accounts down?
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The Guid wrote:How are they going to be sifting through to see if any of their customers bought porn? Presumably they'll be as keen to shut their accounts down?
That sounds like a kick-ass business model right there.
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Darksider wrote:
The Guid wrote:How are they going to be sifting through to see if any of their customers bought porn? Presumably they'll be as keen to shut their accounts down?
That sounds like a kick-ass business model right there.
Banks don't really need a good business model to make lots of money these days. So really it makes sense for them to forego some profits in favor of using their vast wealth and political power to reshape society as they see fit. I mean really, past a certain point dicking with people you don't like is worth a hell of a lot more than extra cash.
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Good for them. Because, honestly - is anyone out there going to cancel their Chase/Wells Fargo/Bank of America accounts because a porn star might bank there?

I just can't see that happening. Even if they disapproved of porn stars and porn, it's a pain in the ass to switch everything over.
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You know what I'd like to see? Let's have a major bank start banning members of Congress from holding an account due to morality. Then maybe we could get some people changing their tune on bills that allow companies to discriminate for "religious" reasons.
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Wells Fargo may not have much power to prevent it, if rumors are true.
Vice.com wrote:Is the DOJ Forcing Banks to Terminate the Accounts of Porn Stars?

By Mary O’Hara
April 27, 2014 | 5:55 am

This past Monday, porn star Teagan Presley arrived home in Las Vegas from yet another whirlwind strip club appearance tour and found a letter from her bank.

Chase was closing her account, which was listed under her legal name, as well as the account of her husband.

When Presley went to the bank in person to ask why, she was told it’s because she’s considered “high risk.”

“And then they told me that they canceled my husband’s account too, because our social security numbers are linked,” Presley told VICE News. “They told him that it was because I’m a notorious adult star. Which is funny, because I’m kind of a goody-goody in the business, and I’m not even doing porn anymore.”

This isn’t the first time adult entertainers have claimed that banks were discriminating against them.

In May 2013, CNBC wrote about actress Chanel Preston’s sudden account termination at Los Angeles’ City National Bank, and porn studio head Marc Greenberg’s lawsuit against JP Morgan Chase for violation of fair lending laws. Greenberg wanted to refinance his longstanding home loan, and said a JP Morgan vice president told him he was being declined for moral issues.

A Chase representative told VICE News they have no comment.

Now, news is slowly surfacing that shows the US Department of Justice may be strong-arming banks into banning porn stars.

It’s called Operation Choke Point, and it has nothing to do with deep-throating.

Instead, it’s a targeted effort to shut down as many as 30 separate industries by making it impossible for them to access banking services.

In a Wall Street Journal op-ed Thursday, American Banking Association CEO Frank Keating wrote that the Justice Department is “telling bankers to behave like policemen and judges.”

“Operation Choke Point is asking banks to identify customers who may be breaking the law or simply doing something government officials don’t like,” Keating wrote. “Banks must then ‘choke off’ those customers’ access to financial services, shutting down their accounts.”

Keating said the highly secretive operation was launched in early 2013. That’s when porn stars started to complain to the media that their bank accounts were being shut down without explanation.

And while the actors are quick to blame banks like Chase and Bank of America for discrimination, those institutions may in fact have no choice.

“If a bank doesn’t shut down a questionable account when directed to do so, Justice slaps the institution with a penalty for wrongdoing that may or may not have happened,” Keating wrote.

And bankers are just as pissed as porn stars.

Even the former chairman of the FDIC, William Isaac, wrote in American Banker magazine this week that Operation Choke Point is “way out of control,” adding that 23 bipartisan members of Congress wrote a letter to the DOJ stating that the operation is driving legal business into the ground. That includes banks themselves.

Camden Fine, president of the Independent Community Bankers of America, wrote a letter to the Justice Department in early April, saying that Operation Choke Point makes it too tough for small community banks to compete with the big chains.

The Justice Department did not respond to VICE News’ request for comment.

Accounts Closed With No Explanation

New York City-based porn star Stoya, famous for being the first “alt” girl to receive a contract with a large production company, told VICE News that she opened a Chase account last year and trouble arose when she tried to deposit her paycheck.

“They came back and asked what Manwin was,” Stoya said in reference to the corporation that owns her production company, Digital Playground. “I told them it was an adult company. They told me my business account was being closed, and then wouldn't give me a straight answer about why they were closing my account.”

Stoya said it came as no surprise that she wasn’t offered an explanation.

“Like any smart company they certainly aren't going to come right out and say that the reason has to do with allowing my genitals to be photographed and videotaped in exchange for money, and they most definitely aren't going to say it in writing,” she said.

California adult entertainment lawyer Michael Fattorosi told VICE News he’s seen this before, but hasn’t found a way to litigate yet, much less account for how many closures have occurred industry-wide.

“We don’t know if Chase may have closed as few as five accounts, or as many as several hundred,” Fattorosi said. “People who are in the industry often don’t like to broadcast that.”

A representative from the San Francisco branch of the Federal Reserve Bank told VICE News that anyone who has a complaint about their bank should contact the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.

But it isn't just the porn industry that the banks might be regulating.

In 2011, the FDIC listed 30 “merchant categories that have been associated with high-risk activity,” likening pornography to Ponzi schemes, racist materials, “lifetime guarantees,” and sales of fireworks and tobacco.

But it’s Operation Choke Point that researchers say is the force behind banks threatening to close payday lenders’ accounts unless they go out of business.

At a March hearing before a Senate Banking subcommittee, the Washington Post reported, Senator David Vitter (R-La.) said “there is a determined effort, from [the Justice Department] to the regulators… to cut off credit and use other tactics to force [payday lenders] out of business. I find that deeply troubling because it has no statutory basis, no statutory authority.”

Fattorosi told VICE News that bank account closures for sex industry workers are unfair.

“If I’m just a regular Joe that likes to purchase firearms or pornography, my account isn’t going to be closed,” he said. “What they’re basically doing is saying someone’s lifestyle choice is unacceptable. I don’t see where the account holders’ lifestyle choices have anything to do with banking policy.”
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It's just as objectionable if the banks are closing policies on people who sell fireworks, guns, or tobacco.

I don't know to what extent this is a federal activity, and to what extent it's the banks making the decision. But it's a horrible thing for the Department of Justice to be doing. Even when targeted against people suspected of actual crimes, it's a violation of their rights for the federal government to start exerting extra-legal pressure on their banks to harass them by damaging their finances. It's worse yet when this is aimed at people in a legal industry.
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Obama's DoJ using shady, quasi-legal tactics? Color me surprised. I never thought that I would be longing for the days of Alberto Gonzales again. At least with them you knew where you stood.
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