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Ron Paul wrote:If we are not a ... religious nation it won't work.
The bible says we're supposed to have honest currency and that we're not supposed to print the money.
From a biblical standpoint ... we need to look into the morality and constitutionality of our monetary system.
The bible is very clear and upfront: only and be honest with weights and measures
The bible is a good defense of the market and private property ownership
Matthew 19:21-24All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. 33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all 34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need.
To be Christian is to be many things, but being capitalist is not one of them.21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. 22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions. 23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. 24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
Haha. Fundies pick and choose which parts of the Bible they want to emphasize, or even acknowledge at all.Zaune wrote:The Bible also has some rather blunt things to say about income inequality. What do you reckon the odds are of him enshrining those in law?
Trolling again? Isn't that tedious? SM93 even quoted the stuff.Destructionator XIII wrote:He's actually for that. The Bible talks about good people being generous, and Ron Paul talks about that all the time. He's for tax deductions for private charity, and he thinks private generosity is a better way than the government doing it.Zaune wrote:The Bible also has some rather blunt things to say about income inequality. What do you reckon the odds are of him enshrining those in law?
Matthew 19 wrote:The Rich and the Kingdom of God
16 Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”
17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”
18 “Which ones?” he inquired.
Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, 19 honor your father and mother,’[c] and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’[d]”
20 “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?”
21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
22 When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.
23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”
25 When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?”
26 Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
27 Peter answered him, “We have left everything to follow you! What then will there be for us?”
28 Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29 And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife[e] or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life. 30 But many who are first will be last, and many who are last will be first.
Of course, we already have tax deductions for private charity, and the wealthy by and large don't seem to care much (with a few notable exceptions, who still wind up ridiculously wealthy anyway). Can you point to a single instance where public charity has ever worked better than government taxation for reducing wealth inequality or providing for public welfare?Destructionator XIII wrote:He's actually for that. The Bible talks about good people being generous, and Ron Paul talks about that all the time. He's for tax deductions for private charity, and he thinks private generosity is a better way than the government doing it.Zaune wrote:The Bible also has some rather blunt things to say about income inequality. What do you reckon the odds are of him enshrining those in law?
I have another point to add to my ever growing list of retarded positions that Ron Paul holds.SirNitram wrote:Not too surprised. Why wouldn't a Creationist view the Bible as embracing his looney ideas? Just another sign Ron Paul is like all the other deranged lunatics.
That implies... an unwarrantedly optimistic view of human nature on his part, to put it charitably. I've noticed that in a lot of conservatives, actually; it's not that they don't care about anyone less fortunate than themselves, it's just that they genuinely believe that the innate fundamental goodness of Man will prevail in the end if we just leave people to their own devices.Destructionator XIII wrote:He's actually for that. The Bible talks about good people being generous, and Ron Paul talks about that all the time. He's for tax deductions for private charity, and he thinks private generosity is a better way than the government doing it.
"Governments derive their power by the consent of the governed?" What about the slaves? Did they ever consent to be enslaved, whipped and beaten, forced to work without compensation, raped, executed without a fair trial, etc.?bobalot wrote:Video of Ron Paul defending the Confederate cause in front of a Confederate battle flag
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How much of a massive asshole is this guy?
You know, I used to have a certain grudging respect for Ron Paul; I might vehemently disagree with his policies, but I got the impression he was at least well-intentioned.bobalot wrote:Video of Ron Paul defending the Confederate cause in front of a Confederate battle flag:
Haven't you read Ron Paul's newsletters? Black people don't count.Sidewinder wrote:"Governments derive their power by the consent of the governed?" What about the slaves? Did they ever consent to be enslaved, whipped and beaten, forced to work without compensation, raped, executed without a fair trial, etc.?bobalot wrote:Video of Ron Paul defending the Confederate cause in front of a Confederate battle flag
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How much of a massive asshole is this guy?
You mean the part where he's trying to convince a bunch of Bible thumpers that the Bible supports his position? Don't get me wrong, I'd rather he didn't try to exploit their delusions like this, but putting your political positions in a context that is relevant to your audience is nothing new.bobalot wrote:I think the video speaks for itself.
I believe he does say that economics would eventually have forced the Confederacy to abandon slavery because of how inefficient it was compared to free labor, as well as the fact that there was now a gigantic free zone to the North that's not legally obliged to return slaves to them which would raise the cost of having to catch fugitive slaves. As for the Bible thing, in addition to what Grumman said, I think he is friends with Gary North, or at least friends of friends with him. Gary North is a writer at LewRockwell.com who apparently decided to go line-by-line through the whole Bible to make a case for capitalism. I cannot vouch for the accuracy of what he says, as I am not about to read the whole Bible. Frankly, I don't really care, either, about making a case for it based on the rantings of crazy people in the desert.Purple wrote:I don't know if this can be classified as racism. I mean, if we take into account the other stuff like his belief in that charity thing it might just be that he honestly believes the Confederates would have abolished slavery and equalized the black man on their own. You know, just how they would have magically handed out charity to everyone. It sort of fits with the thing Zaune said about these people being stupidly optimistic about human nature. So there actually is a distinct possibility that he is not a racist, just stupid.
Through whatever convoluted logic, interpretation, and translation, you can make the Bible say absolutely anything at all that you want, and it has thus been used to justify pretty much everything.Panzersharkcat wrote:As for the Bible thing, in addition to what Grumman said, I think he is friends with Gary North, or at least friends of friends with him. Gary North is a writer at LewRockwell.com who apparently decided to go line-by-line through the whole Bible to make a case for capitalism.
Pretty much, which is why I prefer to not use the rantings of crazy people in the desert whose words have been altered over thousands of years as justifications for anything.Mayabird wrote:Through whatever convoluted logic, interpretation, and translation, you can make the Bible say absolutely anything at all that you want, and it has thus been used to justify pretty much everything.Panzersharkcat wrote:As for the Bible thing, in addition to what Grumman said, I think he is friends with Gary North, or at least friends of friends with him. Gary North is a writer at LewRockwell.com who apparently decided to go line-by-line through the whole Bible to make a case for capitalism.
