BREAKING NEWS: Explosion at Norway Prime Ministers Office

[Edi]

So, apparently he had recently purchased six tons of fertilizer for his farm, but I guess it didn't end up in his fields. According to the wholesaler it was a typical order for a farm, nothing suspicious.

[weemadando]

I saw this on youropenbook before and it was too good/depressing to ignore.

[Dralan]

Norway Labour Party. Dastardly left-wingers! Apparently, a photo from Utøya in 2009:

Danger to Christ and Country, nothing more and nothing less.

Actually these are not from the AUF ( Labor Party Youth) but rather from SU ( Socialist Youth ) witch is even more to the left on the political spectrum in Norway.

[Dralan]

The lastest article on the massacre in Norway in En glish in the norwegian news

http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/oslo ... d=10080597

Hopefully this massacre will not change our views on gun laws and other liberties that we cherish so much. This really is a great tragedy for Norway. Unfortunately it is difficult to stop a single insane person no matter what security and laws you enact to secure the country. And most such restrictions that we can see introduced in USA and Britain for example does not seem to do much except to make life a bit more difficult for law abiding citizens.

I see several articles on the net and other forums that says that the massacre on the island Utøya would never have happened with US gun laws and security in place.

I disagree in this case because AUF ( labor party youth ) was on the yearly summer camp. Most of the participants are between 14-20 years and this is an isolated island. The only reason this disturbed psychopath managed to get out to the island is because he was dressed as a Police officer and identified himself to the guard on the main land who checked those who would use the boat out to the island. And apparently according to the articles I have read he said to the guard that he was there to secure the youth just in case more terrorist were around. So apparently the guard witch saw nothing wrong in either the explanation or with the ID that the fake police officer showed allowed this psychopath to go on the boat over to the island. I think he would have been able to pass a US checkpoint in the same way if it had happened over there.

I don't see how anyone could have stopped such an attack. The planning and execution of this attack against a country who is not used to distrust everyone was beyond anything we could have prepared for. Most of our security preparations are against international attacks just like the rest of the world. And apparently this person was not active in any of the internal groups that the police are monitoring on the far right in Norway.

It is shocking, and sickening what he did. And I hope we recover without sacrificing our way of life and way of thinking.

Thankfully our prime minister said : We must not cave into fear. We must not allow fear to restrict us. We will answer this with more democracy and more openness.

This at least gives hope that Norway will return its normal way of life in a little while.

[ComradeClaus]

This is a horrifying situation & I hope gov't agencies throughout Europe & the US keep an eye out to prevent copycats from striking.

Unfortunately, the extremist in this case had the intellect necessary to plan & pull of such a devastating attack. He may have let himself get taken alive in the hopes of sensationalizing his trial. (Whern I first read the article in the Watertown Daily Times, I was reminded of the operations carried out by seal team 6 founder Richard Marchinko, when his group tested US/Nato base security in the 1980's, sometimes they used False Flag tactics to sneak into bases, disguising as security, stealing IDs) Too bad the guard on the Island wasn't suspicious of a SINGLE 'cop' arriving to 'secure' the island.

And it's no surprise a Neo-Nazi would kill fellow citizens first, rather than 'foreigners'. The original Nazi's first victims before they used gas chambers were their very own members (Night of the Long Knives) Fanatics want only the 'pure' to exisit in their 'utopia' & they want to ensure they have no 'native' oppostion before they purify 'their' nation of 'foreign' elements. They'll never succeed in this modern age, but doesn't stop them from trying.

Damn, a whole camp of future left partie members, a better target a killer couldn't ask for. I hope the wounded pull through.

But I'm damn certain norway will see tighter gun laws.

Why the hell is this year so particularly bad?! Kathy giffords gets attacked by a rightist looney, Gahadaffi kills protestors, Japan gets tsunami'd then melts down.

[General Mung Beans]

This is a horrifying situation & I hope gov't agencies throughout Europe & the US keep an eye out to prevent copycats from striking.

Unfortunately, the extremist in this case had the intellect necessary to plan & pull of such a devastating attack. He may have let himself get taken alive in the hopes of sensationalizing his trial. (Whern I first read the article in the Watertown Daily Times, I was reminded of the operations carried out by seal team 6 founder Richard Marchinko, when his group tested US/Nato base security in the 1980's, sometimes they used False Flag tactics to sneak into bases, disguising as security, stealing IDs) Too bad the guard on the Island wasn't suspicious of a SINGLE 'cop' arriving to 'secure' the island.

Would he really be "martyred" at a trial? He'd probably be publically humiliated and exposed as the psychopath, coward, and disgusting wretch he is.

And it's no surprise a Neo-Nazi would kill fellow citizens first, rather than 'foreigners'. The original Nazi's first victims before they used gas chambers were their very own members (Night of the Long Knives) Fanatics want only the 'pure' to exisit in their 'utopia' & they want to ensure they have no 'native' oppostion before they purify 'their' nation of 'foreign' elements. They'll never succeed in this modern age, but doesn't stop them from trying.

He wasn't neo-Nazi though-more of a Geert Wilders type (rather American style) conservative: pro-Israel but anti-immigrant.

Why the hell is this year so particularly bad?! Kathy giffords gets attacked by a rightist looney, Gahadaffi kills protestors, Japan gets tsunami'd then melts down.

I agree.

[Big Orange]

The sly cunt detonated the bomb at Oslo to draw away the SWAT teams and police choppers to the centre of town, two dozen miles away from the holiday camp, giving him more time to rampage around the island undisturbed by the police: it took armed police about 90 minutes to get there and take him down. He most probably had accomplices that helped him gear up for the mass murder spree, but there's confused reports of a second shooter (same turd, different clothes?) and I've seen footage of second guy being arrested who had a knife in his pocket (a weird attention whore methinks rather than a real perpetrator).

[Flagg]

Kinda pissing me off that the news outlets here keep calling it as a "massacre" and not what it is: A terrorist attack. But I guess only Muslims launch terrorists attacks.

[Spoonist]

The fucking cunt posted a manifesto online for copycats to follow.
Including a diary of how and what he did etc.

That is going to be bad news. This guy is going to be a figurehead to the idiots on the sites that Mung frequents...

[Lord of the Abyss]

<snip> and I've seen footage of second guy being arrested who had a knife in his pocket (a weird attention whore methinks rather than a real perpetrator).

Someone on another forum said that the guy with the knife claimed to the press as he was hauled off that he was one of the people from the island and was carrying a knife because he was afraid.

[Serafina]

Kinda pissing me off that the news outlets here keep calling it as a "massacre" and not what it is: A terrorist attack. But I guess only Muslims launch terrorists attacks.

The reason is quite simple: They do not want to talk about the political motivation, and without a political motivation of some sort it is not terrorism.

I was also quite annoyed how everyone (especially US-media) were immediately thinking that it was an muslim terrorist attack, despite their being no evidence either way at that time. And of course almost no one is admitting that error.

[Tribun]

Kinda pissing me off that the news outlets here keep calling it as a "massacre" and not what it is: A terrorist attack. But I guess only Muslims launch terrorists attacks.

Considering the death count is 90+ and how he literally slaughtered the people on the island, the term massacre is actually quite appropiate.

[Big Orange]

The way his bomb blast wrecked the government sector in Oslo strongly reminded me of the almost routine bomb detonations around Afghanistan and Pakistan. He was a terrorist-cum-spree killer (if he carried out the actual attack by himself).

[Flagg]

Kinda pissing me off that the news outlets here keep calling it as a "massacre" and not what it is: A terrorist attack. But I guess only Muslims launch terrorists attacks.

Considering the death count is 90+ and how he literally slaughtered the people on the island, the term massacre is actually quite appropiate.

9/11 killed almost 3000, we don't call that a "massacre" we call it what it is, a terrorist attack. I can guaran-fucking-tee you that if this guys name was Mohammed it would be called what it is.

[Tribun]

Maybe the meaning of "massacre" is somewhat different in German, as we use is when a large number of people (it's not a fixed number) are killed because of lowly, unbelievable or coldly calculating motives.

[Serafina]

Massacre is an appropriate word here, but it is notable that it is getting used (almost) exclusively. They just don't use the word "terrorist attack", despite it being just as accurate - never mind terms like "terrorist massacre".

[Flagg]

Maybe the meaning of "massacre" is somewhat different in German, as we use is when a large number of people (it's not a fixed number) are killed because of lowly, unbelievable or coldly calculating motives.

Massacre in English just means a bunch of people were killed. Terrorism is violence in furtherance of a cause, be it political or religious. This guy targeted and killed people of a certain political persuasion and their children in furtherance of his own rightwing Christian fundamentalist views (apparently). If the facts as they stand are correct then he's just as much of a terrorist as Osama Bin Laden or Timothy McVeigh.

[Zaune]

Does it actually matter all that much what the media prefer to call it? And in any case, calling something a "terrorist attack" could mean anything from a fertilliser bomb blowing in a few windows to 9/11; massacre gets the scale of the crime over rather better.

[Flagg]

Does it actually matter all that much what the media prefer to call it? And in any case, calling something a "terrorist attack" could mean anything from a fertilliser bomb blowing in a few windows to 9/11; massacre gets the scale of the crime over rather better.

It does, actually. It shows bias because if this guy had done it for Allah or Palistine instead of Jesus or Rightwing kookery he'd be labeled a terrorist and these would be labeled terrorist attacks. It's about journalistic standards.

[Serafina]

What matters is that some media (US-american ones particularly) apparently do not want to report about the political motivations behind this.
Calling it a massacre makes it sound like a random act of a nutjob, not a calculated act of violence to further political goals by means of terror.

[ComradeClaus]

The sly cunt detonated the bomb at Oslo to draw away the SWAT teams and police choppers to the centre of town, two dozen miles away from the holiday camp, giving him more time to rampage around the island undisturbed by the police: it took armed police about 90 minutes to get there and take him down. He most probably had accomplices that helped him gear up for the mass murder spree, but there's confused reports of a second shooter (same turd, different clothes?) and I've seen footage of second guy being arrested who had a knife in his pocket (a weird attention whore methinks rather than a real perpetrator).

it's like the Anarchists that used 2 bombs to kill Tsar Alexander 2nd. After the first bomb, he left his protective carriage to try & help the wounded (shame, he was a truly kind royal, liberated the serfs IIRC) then BAM! Second one took him out.

Lots of bombings in Iraq were multiple, works damned well. Unlike most right-wing loonies, this one did his homework & got an "A+" in "Abominable Asshole" fortunatly, most loonies are fucking "F-", "Fundamentalist Fail Fucks"

How much time elapsed between his "how to be a mass murder" Blogpost & his killspree? I want to know how much time the police had to find out & respond before the attack happened. (This is why far right blogs & forums [like stormfront] must be monitored, to prevent situations like this. See a guy post pictures or videos playing w/ guns & pretending he's badass [& he's politically outspoken]? He's less than a few hours from killspreeing, arrest him first, ask questions later!)

"And this Class, is why Nationalism is EVIL (NAZI=NAZIonal Socialiste Deutsche Artbeit Partie=NSDAP)"- Integration Advocate

[Sea Skimmer]

So, apparently he had recently purchased six tons of fertilizer for his farm, but I guess it didn't end up in his fields. According to the wholesaler it was a typical order for a farm, nothing suspicious.

That's lucky then, because he used nothing like that amount in his bomb. The Oklahoma city bomb weighed about 6,500lb in comparison; including the weight of the steel barrels and nitromethane racing fuel used to make it.

[Lord of the Abyss]

What matters is that some media (US-american ones particularly) apparently do not want to report about the political motivations behind this.

The American media and governemnt does tend to soft pedal terrorism by right wingers. You generally don't for example see killing and threatening doctors who perform abortions labeled as terrorism even though that's what it is. Nor are the historical actions of the KKK labeled terrorism. Timothy McVeigh's status as a terrorist also got soft pedaled.

[Spoonist]

Breaking news is that he has confessed through his court appointed lawyer.

Other thing would be the details of the manifesto talking about a new group of "templar knights" which he claims he is a part of. (Not to be confused with his masonic membership). That would mean that there people out there who helped him.

@massacre vs terrorism angling
Do you remember the interpol report where 90% of european terrorism was nationalist or separatist? For the media of US UK SE DK etc etc all to get it wrong and point in an unlikely direction means that yes they are agenda driven. That may not be a conscious choice though.

@ComradeClaus
You are an idiot who repeatedly show your ignorance of history whenever you get the opportunity. Please just shut up.
It does not compare. At all.

[Marcus Aurelius]

This is a horrifying situation & I hope gov't agencies throughout Europe & the US keep an eye out to prevent copycats from striking.

Unfortunately, the extremist in this case had the intellect necessary to plan & pull of such a devastating attack. He may have let himself get taken alive in the hopes of sensationalizing his trial.

He was evidently a fanatical Roman catholic, so I would guess he didn't kill himself because the RCC is strongly against suicide. I mean murder regardless of the number of victims is something you can get absolution from, but after a suicide you are dead and unable to repent your sins...