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"DO YOU WORSHIP HOMOSEXUALS?" - Curtis Saxton (source) - PeZook
Yes it is.Kanastrous wrote:...is that a Munich 1973 reference...?
Although the Munich hostage crisis was a real wakeup call for the German police, I must say that it was a more difficult situation than this with multiple hijackers carrying grenades in addition to automatic weapons.Serafina wrote:Yes it is.Kanastrous wrote:...is that a Munich 1973 reference...?
You can extend it a couple more years until the RAF started to kick in, if you want. But from all i've gathered, it looks like you have the same problem the german police had back then - no idea how to deal with a hostage situation at all.
In fairness, back then nobody did. Terrorist hostage taking was in its infancy and nobody really had the playbook down well. Also, the German police had a lot of baggage that restricted what they could be seen training to do. And they were pretty thoroughly infiltrated by the East. Today, there's no excuse.Serafina wrote: You can extend it a couple more years until the RAF started to kick in, if you want. But from all i've gathered, it looks like you have the same problem the german police had back then - no idea how to deal with a hostage situation at all.
He's cop, they're cop. May be as simple as that; they valued his life more highly than his hostages. Or they valued his life equally with those of the hostages, which would also be pretty damn disgusting, if true.Siege wrote:Dealing with it in-house is one thing, but one has to wonder why the police didn't just shoot the fucker in the head when he was standing right there in the door--
Yes. And stillShroom Man 777 wrote:You're a Filipino, Zinegata?
over the whole thing.He was kicked off in 2008, but he still had relatives in the police.Kanastrous wrote:I thought that he was recently kicked off the force. Do I have that wrong?
Knew it. Police and armed forces units here can be really tribal and stupid about crap like this. Not just in an "interservice rivalry" way, either. There was an incident years back about two police units from different jurisdictions getting into a brief shoot-out over a suspect. Luckily, no one got killed in that idiocy and heads did roll.Stuart wrote:Word from the herd is that because the perp here was an ex-police officer, the local police wanted to deal with the situation in-house and didn't call in the specialists. Hence the bungled job. I was watching the raw video of the recovery effort and it was pitiful to behold.
They gave him a letter from the Ombudsman saying that he would reconsider his case. Which, legally speaking, is what the Ombudsman does, at least in the jurisdictions I know. Investigate, make recommendations... but not actually compell people like a court can (he makes up for his by having to go through less procedure and pretending to be all friendly instead a mean, mean court or inquisitor). He, not surprisingly, thought it was all BS and naturally did not help things at all.Kanastrous wrote:I'm a little puzzled as to why they didn't just tell him, yeah, sure, we see it your way, no worries, you get your job back, come on out and let's nail down the particulars - then just blow his head off when he stepped off the bus.
Maybe they tried it and it didn't work...
"DO YOU WORSHIP HOMOSEXUALS?" - Curtis Saxton (source) - PeZook Idiot piece of shit.After hostage crisis, Aquino begs for understanding wrote:(UPDATE) President Benigno “Noynoy” Aquino III pleaded for more understanding days after the shocking hostage drama that killed Hong Kong nationals in Manila.
“We hope we could have done better,” Aquino said in a press conference.
“There is a tragic loss of life then we will have to bear accepting this anger because letting it out would be healthy to the relations of our countries,” Aquino added.
Aquino related his recent conversation with Hong Kong Administrative Region Chief Executive Donald Tsang and noted he reiterated his sincerest condolences as he “begged for understanding.”
“None of us wanted this outcome,” added Aquino.
Aquino also defended himself for being caught smiling while inspecting the ill-fated bus where at least eight foreign tourists from Hong Kong lost their lives after a day-long hostage drama staged by ex-policeman Rolando Mendoza.
“My smile might have been misunderstood. If I offended several people I apologize to them,” Aquino said.
“I smile when I’m happy and when I’m faced with an absurd situation to keep emotions in check. If I offended people, I’m sorry,” he added, noting the smile was “more an expression of exasperation.”
Several people from Hong Kong also criticized Aquino in his Facebook page for not immediately acting on the situation in his capacity as President.
Asked about his supposed absence during the hostage drama, Aquino said he placed his trust on the police and other people on the ground during the hostage crisis.
“I believe somebody was more capable than I am in determining which forces was capable,” Aquino said, noting he “purposely didn’t want to interfere because” the police and the negotiators had a lot in their plates at that time.
Aquino earlier demanded an investigation while a high end delegation is set to leave for Hong Kong.
“The Vice President [Jejomar Binay] and DFA and Presidential spokesman will be part of the delegation,” said Aquino. He said the delegation will deliver RP’s letters to Hong Kong’s respective officials.
Meanwhile, Aquino revealed during the press conference that he has accepted the offer of Manila Police District head, Chief Superintendent Rodolfo Magtibay to go on leave.
Meanwhile, the President said he was open to accepting equipment and training from experts from other countries, as he acknowledged the country’s need for help to beef up its security forces.
Aquino also stressed he was aware how the recent incident will impact Philippine tourism. But he stressed that the country will recover in due time.
“Given enough time we can recover,” he said.
Idiot corrupt fuckpieces.Bus blunders latest black mark on Philippine police wrote:
MANILA (AFP) - – Blunders in the deadly end of the Philippine's hostage crisis are just the latest black mark for its police force, which has long been hounded by accusations of torture, murder, corruption and ineptitude.
The bloody conclusion to Monday's hijacking highlighted a myriad of problems within the much-maligned force of 135,000, according to human rights advocates, the Philippine media and security experts.
"There is something wrong with the national police. It is viewed more as a source of livelihood for the policemen rather than an institution to protect law and order," human rights lawyer Harry Roque told AFP.
The latest tragedy began when an ex-policeman hijacked a busload of Hong Kong tourists, demanding to be reinstated after he was sacked for extortion.
After muddled attempts to negotiate his surrender, the rogue policeman began shooting, prompting the police to storm the bus. But it still took more than an hour before they penetrated the vehicle and killed the hostage-taker.
The poor response left eight Hong Kong tourists dead, the police force admitting to making mistakes and a public aghast at how poorly the security personnel performed.
"Someone should have the sense of honour to say: 'This is a blunder, this is a national shame. I should resign,' but nobody does," said Manila-based Augustus Esmeralda, president of Ace and Associates security consultancy firm.
The police said in a statement that its mistakes included poor negotiations tactics with hijacker Rolando Mendoza, inadequate equipment for the commandos, allowing the media to roam around the hostage site and bad crowd control.
Four policemen who led the bungled assault were on Wednesday suspended pending an inquiry.
But national police spokesman Superintendent Agrimero Cruz insisted the tidal wave of anger directed at the force was "unfair".
"They are all in the gallery, watching," he said of the critics. "They should try being in the line of fire and let us see how they react."
Nevertheless, Interior Secretary Jesse Robredo, who is in charge of the police, conceded that the hostage crisis highlighted many deep-rooted problems, such as lack of proper equipment, training and resources.
"It's a combination of all these factors. All the inadequacies came together," Robredo told reporters.
Philippine media outlets have also been critical, saying the crisis exposed many of the shortcomings within the force.
"(The hostage-taker's) caper gives added urgency to the need for a thorough housecleaning in the Philippine National Police," the Philippine Star newspaper said in its editorial on Wednesday.
Roque said one of the force's biggest problems was corruption.
There have been many accounts of prospective recruits paying bribes to join the service, and paying again to get important posts with the express intention of using their positions to make money, Roque said.
Aside from the corruption, the practice leads to incompetent policemen getting promoted, he said.
"It all ties together," Roque said.
The police force was already under fire a week before the hostage crisis, over a video showing policemen torturing a naked man in a Manila police station.
Eleven policemen were suspended after the video was aired on television.
Human rights lawyers also say the problem of police shooting suspects deliberately is a major concern, with the practice so prevalent that it has its own term -- "rub out".
The national human rights commission is currently investigating the case of a car thief who apparently died in custody after what police said was a shoot-out in Manila this month.
Initial tests indicated the suspect had not been armed.
Over 60 policemen are also accused of complicity in the massacre of 57 people in the southern province of Maguindanao in November last year in the worst case of political violence in the country's history.
Human Rights Watch's representative in the Philippines, Jessica Evans, said there was a "culture of impunity" among uniformed men who feel they are not accountable.
"A police force that feels it can break the law and not be accountable is going to have problems in general," she said.
Idiots.Palace: Hijacked bus not a tourist attraction wrote:Malacañang on Wednesday appealed to Filipinos to stop taking pictures and strolling around the site of Monday’s bloody hostage-taking in Manila that left eight Hong Kong tourists dead. At a press briefing on Wednesday, presidential spokesperson Edwin Lacierda said Filipinos should be sensitive and “not trivialize the area" where the bloody hostage drama occurred. “We only ask Filipinos not to tarnish the incident… Please do not trivialize the area," he said. Lacierda said Filipinos who take pictures near the bus where 25 people, 21 of them tourists, were held hostage for 11 hours by a dismissed policeman, must “show respect" for the lives lost during the incident.
This page requires a higher version browser “Let’s respect the place for now, it’s a place of grief," he said. The disgruntled former policeman, Rolando Mendoza, was killed by members of the SWAT team that responded to the hostage crisis in a nighttime assault.
Since Tuesday, the bullet-riddled bus has become an attraction of sorts for motorists and pedestrians, with some of them slowing down to get a closer look and even take pictures of it.
Manila policemen have cordoned off the site and have likewise appealed to the public to be sensitive to the victims and their relatives. - Andreo Calonzo/KBK, GMANews.TV
"DO YOU WORSHIP HOMOSEXUALS?" - Curtis Saxton (source) - PeZook Well, no Sherl, shitcock!Interior Secretary Jesse Robredo wrote:Nevertheless, Interior Secretary Jesse Robredo, who is in charge of the police, conceded that the hostage crisis highlighted many deep-rooted problems, such as lack of proper equipment, training and resources.
"It's a combination of all these factors. All the inadequacies came together," Robredo told reporters.
"DO YOU WORSHIP HOMOSEXUALS?" - Curtis Saxton (source) - PeZookFilipino workers have always been discriminated against... not in public of course, but the bias is there.Shroom Man 777 wrote:I'm hearing the local news say that Filipino workers in HK are getting discriminated at. HKers, what's the word on this?
There are good HKers, and then there are bad ones. With regards to the incident, there have been reports of sackings, but so far isolated cases as I can tell - source are the papers and my own ears. SCMP has reported that the Filipino union had at least one reported case this morning, but it doesn't seem to be happening on a large scale.If it's just dog, that's still fairly polite as Cantonese goesShroom Man 777 wrote:HKers call our President the 'Smiling Dog'.
"DO YOU WORSHIP HOMOSEXUALS?" - Curtis Saxton (source) - PeZookheh, I'm not surprised. We don't have any commonly used insults against Filipinos here, just bias and disregard. But I have to ask, no offence, Filipino sounds pretty harsh when I hear it (though Cantonese probably does too to a non-speaker). Is it always like that or is it kind of a exposure bias, since the maids probably come from rural areas and urban poor?Shroom Man 777 wrote:Well, even us Chineses here in the Philippines have a lot of unkind words for our fellow countrymen. Chineses are pretty damn discriminating, but very politely and quietly so. Man. Sucks that the Philippines just basically confirmed every bias and stereotype towards crappy S. East Asianers the Chinese have. There's a word that basically says 'smelly barbarian' in Fukien that a lot of Chineses, or at least my mom, use to describe Filipinos.
I don't know. I just use 'white ghost' (gwei lo) and that's only really offensive to someone who doesn't live in Hong Kong, since some of the local white people have adopted it to describe themselves, quite affectionately at that. People outside HK often equate it with Gaijin or the n-word for black people, but in my view in modern Hong Kong usage it's really quite common and mostly innocent, though of course it can be used in a derogatory context. Not polite, of course, you wouldn't use it in written language. But you can add penis-face to anything in Cantonese and it'd work.Kanastrous wrote:Isn't there a term for European types that means red-faced hairy jerk-offs or something like it...?
