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Hezbollah confirms top commander killed in Israeli strike
Hezbollah has confirmed one of its top commanders was killed in an Israeli strike on Beirut.

The Iran-backed group confirmed that Fouad Shukur, the commander allegedly behind the recent strike on the Golan Heights that killed 12 children, had been killed.

Hezbollah has denied any involvement in the Golan Heights attack.

It comes after an overnight strike in Tehran that killed Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh, which Hamas and Iran blamed on Israel.

Shukr was also suspected of being behind the deadly 1983 Marine bombing in the Lebanese capital which killed 241 US military personnel.

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said it had “carried out a targeted strike in Beirut, on the commander responsible for the murder of the children in Majdal Shams and the killing of numerous additional Israeli civilians.”

Lebanese state news agency NNA said the attack was conducted by a drone that fired three missiles.

The strike hit an apartment building next to a hospital, collapsing half of it.

The Lebanese Health Ministry said at least five civilians - two children and three women - died in the strike in a busy neighbourhood where Hezbollah has political and security operations.

Israel’s Defense Minister Yoav Gallant said “Hezbollah crossed the red line” in a social media post minutes after the Israeli military claimed responsibility for the strike on Tuesday.

A Hezbollah official, Ali Ammar, said: “The Israeli enemy has committed a great stupid act in size, timing and circumstances by targeting an entirely civilian area.

"The Israeli enemy will pay a price for this sooner or later.”
The last time Israel targeted Beirut was in January when an airstrike killed a top Hamas official, Saleh Arouri.

It marked the first time Israel had hit Beirut since the 34-day war between Israel and Hezbollah in the summer of 2006.

The two sides have exchanged near-daily strikes for the past 10 months against the backdrop of the war in Gaza, but they have previously kept the conflict at a low level that was unlikely to escalate into full-on war.

But stressed that the Biden administration did not see all-out war as inevitable, adding that the President believed a diplomatic solution was still possible as its important to “continue to be optimistic here".
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US clears $20bn in arms sales for Israel as atrocities continue in Gaza

Genocide Joe is cementing a bit of his legacy, and Netanyahu gets to keep up the crusade.

From what I can tell Harris is ready to keep it going too.
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Gandalf wrote: 2024-08-15 03:34am US clears $20bn in arms sales for Israel as atrocities continue in Gaza

Genocide Joe is cementing a bit of his legacy, and Netanyahu gets to keep up the crusade.

From what I can tell Harris is ready to keep it going too.
This is part and parcel with US foreign policy and deals with Israel.

IF Biden/Harris want to end that, doing it during an election hands Trump a metric shit-ton of political ammo to use, including claiming the Biden/Harris are anti-semtic/support terrorists/would allow another 9-11 to happen, so it's a bad idea.

The best we can hope for is Harris gets elected, and stops military aid and sales to Israel after she is sworn into office.
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Solauren wrote: 2024-08-15 07:37am
Gandalf wrote: 2024-08-15 03:34am US clears $20bn in arms sales for Israel as atrocities continue in Gaza

Genocide Joe is cementing a bit of his legacy, and Netanyahu gets to keep up the crusade.

From what I can tell Harris is ready to keep it going too.
This is part and parcel with US foreign policy and deals with Israel.

IF Biden/Harris want to end that, doing it during an election hands Trump a metric shit-ton of political ammo to use, including claiming the Biden/Harris are anti-semtic/support terrorists/would allow another 9-11 to happen, so it's a bad idea.

The best we can hope for is Harris gets elected, and stops military aid and sales to Israel after she is sworn into office.
Why would they, won't the excuse just shift to "but think of the midterms?"
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AniThyng wrote: 2024-08-15 08:04am
Solauren wrote: 2024-08-15 07:37am
Gandalf wrote: 2024-08-15 03:34am US clears $20bn in arms sales for Israel as atrocities continue in Gaza

Genocide Joe is cementing a bit of his legacy, and Netanyahu gets to keep up the crusade.

From what I can tell Harris is ready to keep it going too.
This is part and parcel with US foreign policy and deals with Israel.

IF Biden/Harris want to end that, doing it during an election hands Trump a metric shit-ton of political ammo to use, including claiming the Biden/Harris are anti-semtic/support terrorists/would allow another 9-11 to happen, so it's a bad idea.

The best we can hope for is Harris gets elected, and stops military aid and sales to Israel after she is sworn into office.
Why would they, won't the excuse just shift to "but think of the midterms?"
Perhaps. Perhaps not.
I know, that if I became POTUS, I'd pull all military from Israel over this, put it into something US Citizens, and not care if I ended up losing office because I'd have done the right thing.

A Career politico? Probably not as likely.
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Solauren wrote: 2024-08-15 04:18pm
AniThyng wrote: 2024-08-15 08:04am
Solauren wrote: 2024-08-15 07:37am

This is part and parcel with US foreign policy and deals with Israel.

IF Biden/Harris want to end that, doing it during an election hands Trump a metric shit-ton of political ammo to use, including claiming the Biden/Harris are anti-semtic/support terrorists/would allow another 9-11 to happen, so it's a bad idea.

The best we can hope for is Harris gets elected, and stops military aid and sales to Israel after she is sworn into office.
Why would they, won't the excuse just shift to "but think of the midterms?"
Perhaps. Perhaps not.
I know, that if I became POTUS, I'd pull all military from Israel over this, put it into something US Citizens, and not care if I ended up losing office because I'd have done the right thing.

A Career politico? Probably not as likely.
I don't see Biden doing this even as outgoing president now he's not running for re-election.

Israel agrees to limited pause in fighting in Gaza for polio vaccinations, UN says
Limited pauses in fighting in Gaza have been agreed upon to allow for polio vaccinations for hundreds of thousands of children, the UN's World Health Organisation has announced.

It comes after a baby contracted the first confirmed case of the disease in 25 years in the Palestinian territory.

Described as “humanitarian pauses” that will last three days in different areas of the war-ravaged territory, the vaccination campaign will start Sunday in central Gaza, said WHO representative Rik Peeperkorn.

That will be followed by another three-day pause in southern Gaza and then another in northern Gaza, he said, noting the pauses will last eight or nine hours each day.

Mr Peeperkorn said he believes more days would be needed to complete the vaccinations.

Health workers say they aim to vaccinate 640,000 children under ten and that the campaign has been coordinated with Israeli authorities.

"I’m not going to say this is the ideal way forward. But this is a workable way forward,” Mr Peeperkorn said. “It will happen and should happen because we have an agreement," he added.

These humanitarian pauses are not part of a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas that mediators from the US, Egypt and Qatar have long been seeking.

An Israeli official, speaking on condition of anonymity as plans had not been finalised, said there is expected to be some sort of tactical pause to allow vaccinations to take place.

The Israeli army has previously announced limited pauses in limited areas to allow international humanitarian operations.

Basem Naim, a member of Hamas’ political bureau, said the militant group welcomed the push for a pause in Gaza to implement the vaccination drive. He said: "We are ready to cooperate with international organizations to secure this campaign."

The WHO is joined in the vaccination effort by the Palestinian Ministry of Health, the United Nations Children’s Fund, the UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees and other partners.

Each organisation has been assigned a role in the technical and strategic “micro-plan” to execute the vaccine campaign. For weeks, the organisations have emphasised that some kind of halt in fighting — what they are calling a “polio pause”— would be crucial to the effort’s success, and even to contain the disease from spreading to the broader region.

The WHO said health workers need to vaccinate at least 90% of children in Gaza to stop the transmission of polio.

The campaign comes after ten month old Abdel-Rahman Abu El-Jedian was partially paralysed by a mutated strain of the virus that vaccinated people shed in their waste.

The baby boy was not vaccinated because he was born just before October 7, when Hamas militants attacked Israel and Israel launched a retaliatory offensive on Gaza.

He is one of hundreds of thousands of children who missed vaccinations because of the fighting between Israel and Hamas.
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Israel’s first nationwide strike starts amid anger over handling of hostage talks
Schools, offices and airport close as trade union says general strike needed to ‘shake those who need to be shaken’ over inaction

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Mon 2 Sep 2024 07.40 BST


Israel’s first nationwide general strike since the Hamas attacks of 7 October is under way, amid widespread public anger at the government’s handling of the war in Gaza after the discovery of the bodies of six hostages at the weekend.

Israel’s largest trade union, Histadrut, ordered a nationwide general strike from 6am on Monday that is expected to bring large parts of the economy to a halt. Government and municipal offices were due to close, as well as schools and many private businesses. Israel’s international airport, Ben Gurion, was reported to have shut down at 8am local time (6am BST) for two hours.

The chair of Histadrut, Arnon Bar-David, said in a statement: “I have come to the conclusion that only our intervention can shake those who need to be shaken.

“A deal is not progressing due to political considerations and this is unacceptable.”

The mayors of Tel Aviv and nearby Givatayim announced the municipalities would be striking on Monday to demand the return of the hostages, and more are expected to follow suit.

The action comes after tens of thousands of Israelis took to the streets on Sunday night, cutting off the Ayalon highway, the motorway running through the heart of Tel Aviv, and lighting fires in the streets. A few dozen police officers tried to contain the protest but were unable to push it back. Local media reported that 29 people had been arrested.

The union called the strike after campaign group the Hostages and Missing Families Forum backed the idea in order to force the government to reach a deal for the return of the remaining hostages taken during Hamas’s attacks on 7 October. Israel’s opposition leader Yair Lapid also supported the move.

“Were it not for the delays, sabotage and excuses” in months of mediation efforts, the six hostages “would likely still be alive”, a statement from the group said, referring to the discovery of Carmel Gat, Hersh Goldberg-Polin, Eden Yerushalmi, Alexander Lobanov, Almog Sarusi and Ori Danino in tunnels “dozens of metres” underground during fighting in Rafah, southern Gaza.

The strike could affect hospitals and other public services, costing the economy millions of shekels.

On Sunday, Israeli media reported the attorney general, Gali Baharav-Miara, had instructed prosecutors to seek an injunction against the strike. Israel’s far-right finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich, wrote to the attorney general on Sunday seeking an injunction, arguing that it would harm the economy and had no legal basis as its main aim was to influence government policy on state security.

The Histadrut union has not taken such drastic action since March 2023, over Netanyahu’s controversial judicial overhaul plans.

Military spokesperson Daniel Hagari said all six hostages “were abducted alive on the morning of 7 October” and “brutally murdered by Hamas terrorists shortly before we reached them”.

However, the findings pointing to Hamas executions did little to deflect widespread fury towards Benjamin Netanyahu and his rightwing coalition for failing to agree a US-backed hostages-for-peace deal with Hamas, which has been on the negotiating table since late May. The longtime Israeli leader has been repeatedly accused of stalling on a ceasefire deal for his own political gain.

On Sunday, Netanyahu asked hostage Lobanov’s parents for “forgiveness for not succeeding in bringing Sasha back alive”.

Some analysts said the public outcry over the six hostages who died could signal a new level of political pressure on Netanyahu. “I think this is an earthquake. This isn’t just one more step in the war,” said Nomi Bar-Yaacov, associate fellow in the International Security Programme at Chatham House, shortly before Sunday’s protests.

The US president, Joe Biden, said he was “devastated and outraged” by the hostage deaths, but told reporters he was “still optimistic” a deal could be reached.

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Israel's Labour Court has since ordered the strike to end at 14:30 local time. As far as I know, this has not happened.
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Israeli PM asks for 'forgiveness' over hostage deaths amid protests outside his home
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has asked the families of six hostages whose bodies were recovered over the weekend for "forgiveness".

Speaking at a press conference, he said: “I told the families, and I repeat and say this evening: I am asking for your forgiveness that we didn’t manage to bring them back alive. We were very close but we couldn’t make it.”

His vow to bring consequences to Hamas comes as protests have broken out across Israel, including in front of Netanyahu's home.

Israelis poured into the streets late on Sunday in grief and anger in what appeared to be the largest protest since the start of the war. The families and much of the public blamed Netanyahu, saying the hostages could have been returned alive in a deal with Hamas.

A rare general strike was held across the country on Monday, affecting airports, shopping centres and schools in a day of action calling on the government to agree a Gaza ceasefire deal to release hostages held by Hamas.

The move was organised by Israel's largest trade union, the Histadrut, and marks the first of its kind since the October 7 Hamas attack on Israel, where some 250 people were taken hostage by the militant group.

Flights from Israel's Ben-Gurion airport were halted between 8am and 10am local time (6am - 8am BST), with some slight delays.

The union said banks, some large shopping centres and government offices were closed due to the strike, as well as some transport services, but no major disruptions were reported.

In Tel Aviv, school hours were shortened and public nurseries were closed.

In the UK, foreign secretary David Lammy announced that the government would be suspending some arms exports to Israel.

Histadrut said hospitals and healthcare services could also be impacted, with both working on a weekend schedule and on an emergency basis.

Others parts of Israel were not participating in the strike, including in Jerusalem.

There was a night of protests on Sunday, with organisers estimating 500,000 people took to the streets after the bodies of six more hostages were recovered in Gaza.

Demonstrators demanded Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu reach a ceasefire deal with Hamas where remaining hostages would be released, chanting: "Now! Now!".

Thousands of people, some of them weeping, gathered outside Netanyahu's office in Jerusalem. In Tel Aviv, hostages' relatives marched with coffins.

Izzat al-Rishq, a senior Hamas official, said the hostages would still be alive if Israel had accepted a US-backed ceasefire proposal that Hamas said it had agreed to in July.

Three of the six hostages found dead were reportedly scheduled to be released in the first phase of the deal.

Hamas has offered to release the hostages in return for an end to the war, the withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza and the release of a large number of Palestinian prisoners, including high-profile militants.

The Israeli government blamed Hamas for stalled negotiations, and said the six hostages were killed shortly before Israeli forces discovered their bodies in a tunnel beneath Gaza.

“Whoever murders hostages doesn’t want a deal,” he said.

One of those found dead was Israeli-American Hersh Goldberg-Polin, 23, who lost part of his left arm to a grenade on October 7.

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The army identified the others as Ori Danino, 25; Eden Yerushalmi, 24; Almog Sarusi, 27; Alexander Lobanov, 33; and Carmel Gat, 40.

President Biden has been "clear" that Hamas is the one responsible for the deaths of Goldberg-Polin and the five other hostages.

Biden previously said that Netanyahu is not doing enough to secure the release of hostages held by Hamas, and that he is "close" to presenting a final deal to negotiators working on a ceasefire agreement.

The Hostages and Missing Families Forum praised the comments made by Biden.

According to the Israeli Health Ministry, the hostages were shot at close range and were recovered just half a mile from where a hostage was rescued alive last week.

During the funeral of Almog Sarusi, his mother said: “You were abandoned on and on, daily, hour after hour, 331 days.

“You and so many beautiful and pure souls.”
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Israel remembers October 7 as conflict in the Middle East rages on
Vigils, rallies and memorial events were held in Israel and around the world on Monday, to mark one year since the October 7 Hamas attacks.

The assault, which saw around 1,200 Israelis killed and 251 civilians taken hostage, led to intense military retaliation by Israel and escalating tensions across the Middle East.

Its aftershocks are still apparent one year later. As well as the ongoing war against Hamas in Gaza, Israel is now fighting a new war against Hezbollah.

On Monday, both of those groups made their presence felt.

Hamas launched rockets that set off air raid sirens in Tel Aviv, as well as closer to the Gaza border.

There were also reports that Hezbollah rockets had hit Israel's third-largest city, Haifa, early on Monday causing injuries but no deaths.

Meanwhile, Israel went ahead with its planned commemorations, which included a state ceremony at Mount Herzl to remember fallen soldiers and the civilian lives lost.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's first public appearance on Monday was a visit to a memorial in Jerusalem for civilians and soldiers who died on October 7.

“We remember our fallen, our hostages - whom we are obliged to bring home - and our heroes who fell for the defense of the homeland and the country,” Netanyahu said. “We went through a terrible massacre a year ago, and we stood up as a people, like lions.”

"We will end the war when we complete all the goals we have set," Netanyahu said later on Monday.

At 6.30am on Monday - the exact hour Hamas launched its attack - the families of those killed at the Nova music festival gathered at the site where almost 400 civilians were gunned down or taken hostage.

After briefly playing the same trance music that was blared during the festival, hundreds of family members and friends of the victims stood for a moment of silence.

Remembrance ceremonies were also scheduled in Ofakim, Sderot, and Nir Oz, as well as at several other kibbutz sites that were attacked that day.

The flags at the Israeli Knesset were lowered to half-staff and an official state ceremony focusing on acts of bravery and hope was due to be aired on Monday evening.

The ceremony was prerecorded without an audience, apparently to avoid potential disruptions.

Meanwhile, people gathered in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv to use the anniversary to repeat their call for the release of the hostages still being held in Gaza.

Around 100 hostages are still being held captive in Gaza, though it is unclear how many are still alive.

Anger at the government's failure to prevent the attack and enduring frustration that it has not returned the remaining hostages prompted demonstrations.

Some protests were scaled back drastically over prohibitions on large gatherings, apparently due to the threat of missile attacks from Iran and Hezbollah.

Among the hostages who were taken a year ago was 28-year-old British woman Emily Damari. Her family has criticised the government for not doing more to secure her release.

During a visit to a synagogue in London on Monday, Foreign Secretary David Lammy said the anniversary was a moment of "deep reflection and pain".

"And particularly we think of Emily Damari, the British hostage, and her family have no word of her fate or how she is doing," he said.

Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer also marked the anniversary, describing October 7, 2023 as “the darkest day in Jewish history since the Holocaust” and said that “collective grief has not diminished” in the year since.

While reiterating calls for a ceasefire, Starmer said that the UK "must unequivocally stand with the Jewish community”.

Speaking in the Commons on Monday, the prime minister described the situation as “a living nightmare", and said the deaths among innocent civilians in Gaza were "truly devastating".

Fifteen British citizens were killed a year ago today, while another has since died in captivity.

In a statement issued by the White House on Monday, US President Joe Biden recalled the "unspeakable brutality" of the attacks which had led to one year of "a devastating war".

He condemned the "vicious surge in antisemitism" that followed and paid tribute to the "indomitable spirit of the Jewish people."

"I believe that history will also remember October 7 as a dark day for the Palestinian people because of the conflict that Hamas unleashed that day," he added.

"Far too many civilians have suffered far too much."

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In the days leading up to the anniversary, Israel intensified its bombardment of northern Gaza, southern Lebanon and the southern suburbs of Beirut, where Hezbollah has its stronghold.

Palestinian militants in Gaza fired rockets into Israel on Monday without disrupting a nearby commemorative service.

The strikes followed attacks over the weekend, including a round of airstrikes that hit Beirut suburbs late on Sunday and a strike on a mosque in Gaza, which Palestinian officials say killed at least 19 people the same day.

Israel's military offensive in the Gaza Strip has killed at least 41,909 Palestinians and wounded 97,303 since October 7, 2023, the Palestinian enclave's health ministry said on Monday.
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Ralin wrote: 2024-07-23 10:40pm So not really sure where to go about looking this up, but is Netanyahu known to have any strong opinions regarding female politicians and having to deal with them being in a position of power?
Not aware of Netanyahu's personal position, but he's allied with the far-right, extremely conservative ethnoreligious types who think women belong in the home popping out babies and advocate extreme gender segregation, to the point they've been known to air-brush female politicians out of photos when they're pictured with their male colleagues so draw your own conclusions.
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Broomstick wrote: 2024-10-14 05:53am
Ralin wrote: 2024-07-23 10:40pm So not really sure where to go about looking this up, but is Netanyahu known to have any strong opinions regarding female politicians and having to deal with them being in a position of power?
Not aware of Netanyahu's personal position, but he's allied with the far-right, extremely conservative ethnoreligious types who think women belong in the home popping out babies and advocate extreme gender segregation, to the point they've been known to air-brush female politicians out of photos when they're pictured with their male colleagues so draw your own conclusions.
I'm wondering if he's the kind of person to shoot his relationship with the US in the foot over having to deal with a president who is a black woman. I don't expect Harris not to be a Zionist but I don't see any reason to assume she'll be as willing to take crap as Biden either.
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Female heads of state tend to be treated different than ordinary [Ferengi accent] females [/Ferengi accent) but who knows? Her being Black may not be as much of an issue as her being female when it comes to dealing with the hyper-conservative Israelis.
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Broomstick wrote: 2024-10-14 04:15pm Female heads of state tend to be treated different than ordinary [Ferengi accent] females [/Ferengi accent) but who knows? Her being Black may not be as much of an issue as her being female when it comes to dealing with the hyper-conservative Israelis.
Would be grimly appropriate if that was what ended up bringing all this to a halt.
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What is THAAD? Powerful US anti-missile defence system being sent to Israel
The US will send one of its most powerful anti-missile systems, THAAD, to Israel in an effort "to help bolster its air defences”, the Pentagon has announced.

It comes after Iran launched at least 180 ballistic missiles towards Israel earlier this month in an unprecedented attack.

Missiles have also been launched by the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah into the country over the past few weeks.

THAAD (Terminal High-Altitude Area Defense) is expected to help protect Israel from future missile attacks, having shown a near-perfect success rate in tests.

Military analyst Cedric Leighton, a former US Air Force colonel said: “When it is put in place, it will actually add a layer to the existing Israeli air and missile defenses.”

THAAD can intercept ballistic missiles at far ranges up to 93 to 124 miles, using a combination of advanced radar systems and interceptors.

It is the only US defence system capable of intercepting and destroying either short, medium or long-range missiles - whether inside or outside the Earth's atmosphere.

Most missile interceptors destroy incoming missiles by exploding near their warheads, but THAAD directly collides with its target.

It can also communicate with other US missile defences, including their Aegis systems normally found on navy ships.

Despite its advanced technology, soldiers are needed to operate THAAD. The US plans to send 100 troops to Israel to control the system.

What makes THAAD so accurate?

The AN/TPY-2 radar system, which provides targeting information for THAAD, ensures that the missile defence system is accurate.

The radar system is capable of detecting and tracking targets at ranges of up to 1,865 miles.

THAAD is reportedly so accurate that production models have never failed to intercept incoming targets during testing.

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What about Israel’s other anti-missile systems?

Israel has multiple advanced anti-missile systems in place that have already been successful in destroying missiles from Iran and Hezbollah.

Its defence system, the Iron Dome, is one of the most important tools in Israel's arsenal.

The system allows the army to predict the flight path of incoming rockets and uses a command-and-control system to quickly calculate whether a projectile poses a threat or is likely to hit an unpopulated area.
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I do not want American boots on the ground there, and I am kinda wondering if the DoD is using this as live-fire testing for THAAD.
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Ralin wrote: 2024-10-14 06:50am I'm wondering if he's the kind of person to shoot his relationship with the US in the foot over having to deal with a president who is a black woman. I don't expect Harris not to be a Zionist but I don't see any reason to assume she'll be as willing to take crap as Biden either.
I hope that Harris being a black woman does cause the current Israeli leadership to screw up the Israel/US relationship.

I can imagine without that kind of support, Israel's policies and politics would undergo a 'strategic realignment' very quickly.
I've been asked why I still follow a few of the people I know on Facebook with 'interesting political habits and view points'.

It's so when they comment on or approve of something, I know what pages to block/what not to vote for.
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If these doctors and medical staff are right, and the death toll in Gaza is over 118,000 then that's the equivalent of one My Lai Massacre or two Oklahoma City bombings every day.


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Or if you go by percentages, the equivalent of 17,820,000 Americans being killed.
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Elfdart wrote: 2024-10-21 02:32am If these doctors and medical staff are right, and the death toll in Gaza is over 118,000 then that's the equivalent of one My Lai Massacre or two Oklahoma City bombings every day.


Gaza Healthcare Letters

Or if you go by percentages, the equivalent of 17,820,000 Americans being killed.
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International Criminal Court issues arrest warrant for Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu
The International Criminal Court (ICC) has issued an arrest warrant for Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and the former defence minister Yoav Gallant, as well as the military commander of Hamas.

The court has accused the three men of war crimes and crimes against humanity.

The ICC is a last resort court whose job it is to investigate when domestic authorities have not done so or cannot do so.

The move makes Netanyahu an internationally wanted suspect but could potentially complicate efforts to negotiate a cease-fire to end the 13-month war in Gaza.

The court panel says it believes "there are reasonable grounds to believe" Netanyahu and his former minister "intentionally and knowingly deprived the civilian population in Gaza of objects indispensable to their survival, including food, water, and medicine and medical supplies, as well as fuel and electricity".

However, the material impacts of the warrant for Netanyahu's arrest are limited. Neither Israel nor the United States, who have supported Israel throughout the conflict, are members of the ICC.

Also, Hamas' military leader Mohammed Deif and several other group officials included in the warrants are thought to have died since the start of the conflict.

Netanyahu and other Israeli leaders have condemned ICC Chief Prosecutor Karim Khan’s request for warrants as disgraceful and "antisemitic".

In a post on X, Netanyahu said: "This was a dark day for justice. A dark day for humanity.

"(The ICC) has chosen the side of terror and evil over democracy and freedom, and turned the very system of justice into a human shield for Hamas’ crimes against humanity."

US President Joe Biden blasted the prosecutor and expressed support for Israel’s right to defend itself against Hamas.

Hamas welcomed the decision by the ICC, describing it as an “important and historic precedent” after what it said was decades of injustice at the hands of a “fascist occupation".

The Netherlands is one of the first countries that has confirmed it will arrest Netanyahu if he arrives on Dutch soil.

The Israeli Foreign Ministry has said it challenged the judgement in September. Still, they were not given the opportunity to investigate the allegations from the ICC before the warrants were issued.

UN human rights expert warns Israel is inflicting 'wanton destruction' on Gaza
A spokesperson from the Ministry claimed that "no other democracy with an independent and respected legal system like that which exists in Israel has been treated in this prejudicial manner by the Prosecutor".

Charity Medical Aid for Palestinians (MAP), welcomed the ICC's decision and accused Israel of war crimes including “starvation as a method of warfare” and “the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts”.

"Israel's ongoing violations against Palestinians have been emboldened by decades of impunity and the attacks on Gaza in the past year have devastated the health system and caused enormous civilian suffering. This must be a turning point for Gaza and the broader region," it said.

It has urged the UK to ensure the arrest warrants are "upheld," and "to review all relations with Israel in light of this decision, and to suspend immediately all arms licences and transfers".

The warrants follow an overnight Israeli air strike in northern Gaza on Wednesday night.

Paramedics and Hamas-affiliated media said at least 66 were killed in a strike that hit a shelter for displaced people and a hospital in the town of Beit Lahia.

The Civil Defence agency - run by Hamas - said another 22 people were killed in a further strike on a house in Gaza City.

A hospital in the southern Gazan city of Khan Younis also said the bodies of 24 people were admitted on Thursday morning, thought to have been killed in Israeli military action.

Since October 7, more than 44,000 Palestinians have been killed and 104,000 injured in the Israel-Hamas war, the Hamas-run Health Ministry in Gaza said on Thursday.

This particular conflict began when Hamas militants launched an attack on southern Israel, killing about 1,200 people, mostly civilians, and kidnapping 250. Around 100 hostages remain in Gaza.

Figures provided by the Hamas-run health ministry are considered reliable by the United Nations and Human Rights Watch. A paper published in the Lancet found "no evidence of inflated mortality reporting from the Gaza Ministry of Health".
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Now, the BIG QUESTION -- who's gonna actually go arrest him for this? Hmm?
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LadyTevar wrote: 2024-11-21 02:58pm
Now, the BIG QUESTION -- who's gonna actually go arrest him for this? Hmm?
Officials in any of the 124 counties the ICC has jurisdiction, if he's stupid enough to travel to any of them :wanker:
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EnterpriseSovereign wrote: 2024-11-22 03:41pm
LadyTevar wrote: 2024-11-21 02:58pm
Now, the BIG QUESTION -- who's gonna actually go arrest him for this? Hmm?
Officials in any of the 124 counties the ICC has jurisdiction, if he's stupid enough to travel to any of them :wanker:
AGAIN.
Who in any of those countries is actually going to have the balls to arrest the Leader of a Foreign Nation.
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LadyTevar wrote: 2024-11-22 04:39pm
EnterpriseSovereign wrote: 2024-11-22 03:41pm
LadyTevar wrote: 2024-11-21 02:58pm

Now, the BIG QUESTION -- who's gonna actually go arrest him for this? Hmm?
Officials in any of the 124 counties the ICC has jurisdiction, if he's stupid enough to travel to any of them :wanker:
AGAIN.
Who in any of those countries is actually going to have the balls to arrest the Leader of a Foreign Nation.
Nobody. Let's be honest, that's a symbolic gesture.

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LadyTevar wrote: 2024-11-22 04:39pm
EnterpriseSovereign wrote: 2024-11-22 03:41pm
LadyTevar wrote: 2024-11-21 02:58pm

Now, the BIG QUESTION -- who's gonna actually go arrest him for this? Hmm?
Officials in any of the 124 counties the ICC has jurisdiction, if he's stupid enough to travel to any of them :wanker:
AGAIN.
Who in any of those countries is actually going to have the balls to arrest the Leader of a Foreign Nation.
We won't know until it happens.

But then, Netanyahu doesn't know either.
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LadyTevar wrote: 2024-11-22 04:39pm AGAIN.
Who in any of those countries is actually going to have the balls to arrest the Leader of a Foreign Nation.
How many people in a country have the authority to make the decision to take him into custody ?

If any random police officer can do so, that makes it far more likely than if it has to go through someone higher up.

Then there is the problem if a fight breaks out between the people protecting him and those trying to arrest him. If that escalates to gunfire, Netanyahu might not survive the arrest attempt.
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