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I was just screwing around with calcs today, and I happened to remember the old quote from Isard's Revenge where it is said a full volley from the VSD1's missile tubes would take down the shields of an ISD. At least I think it was an ISD, I don't have the book to check. It was eiter an ISD or MonCal, and if it was a Moncal, this gets alot more fun.

Anyways, the calc for an ISD's shields is 16TT based on proportional scaling from the reactor bulge and the size of the reactor in the ICS pic. It also fits in that 16.6 TT is the ISD broadside and a single broadside just barely overcomes the shields of another ISD.

Anywho, VSD has 20 missile tubes.
16000000000000/20=800000000000

Capital ship concussion missiles are 800 GT then?
Like I said, interesting.

It gets better, but I'll post that bit (which is alot stranger) later.

Considering thats 80 Missle Tubes that Pegs The Missles it uses at 10 GT

Hmmm

yeah but Stackpole seems to use the X-Wing games as reference material and cap ships aren't half easy to kill in that.

In TIE Fighter I nearly strafed a frigate to death with a bog standard TIE!

Mr Bean wrote:Considering thats 80 Missle Tubes that Pegs The Missles it uses at 10 GT

Hmmm

Depends on the source. WEG: 20 tubes, 4 missiles per tube.
WOTC: 80 tubes, one missile per tube.

I used one volley from WEG> Course I might not be remembering it right, as I have neither souce on hand.

Here's what I promised. I apologize for the reading difficulty, but the forum and copy pasting from Word don't get along. If a mod could Fix it, I would appreciate it.

Eclipse: 537,500,000 MT + SL
Sovereign: 125,375,000 MT + SL, + Ions
Executor: 7,937,500,000 MT + Missiles, + Ions
ISD 2: 1,875,000,000 MT + Ions
Republic: 1,252,000,000 MT + Ions
ISD 3: 946,100,000 MT + Missiles, + Ions
BAC: 301,000,000 MT + Missiles, + Ions
Defender: 252,000,000 MT + Missiles, + Ions
MC90: 18,750,000 MT + Missiles, + Ions
ISD 1: 15,000,000 MT + Ions
Rebel: 15,000,000 MT + Missiles
VSD 1: 14,000,000 MT + Missiles
MC80A: 12,000,000 MT + Ions
VSD 2: 7,000,000 MT + Ions
Dreadnaught: 7,000,000 MT
Assault Frigate: 3,753,690 MT
Strike Cruiser: 3,500,000 MT + Ions
Acclamator: 2,400,144 MT + Missiles
Battle Dragon: 2,000,000 MT + Missiles, + Ions
Thrustship: 2,000,000 MT + Missiles, + Ions
Nova: 1,250,750 MT + Ions
Marauder: 800,000 MT
Nebulon-B: 600,072 MT
Corellian Corvette: 300,000 MT
Bulk Cruiser: 720 MT
Interdictor: 480 MT
Lancer: 480 MT

This is a listing of the total release of a single volley from several ships. The numbers are probably a bit suspect to some here because I calculated tem from different values then are commonly accepted. I used 50 GT as both the LTL value and the Medium TL value because I couldn't find the conversion factor, but it works ut because I used 50 * 125 (the ROTJ intensity difference) to get the value of 6250 for a HTL. I also used WEG stats and counted a battery as 5 guns target linked. I also used the same conversion factor to go from light laser cannons to the heavy laser cannons used on the Eclipse and the Soveriegn. But I dont' figure that potential (and likely) error will show up once you factor in the SL.

Anyways, the interesting thins are this: An ISDF has only a little more firepower then a Vic 1, and a Vic 1 has alot more firepower then a Vic 2. Expecially when you factor in those missiles.

My theory is that the Vic 2 was designed knowing the ISD was going to be out soon. The Vic is designed to fill the role of the Dreadnaught while the ISD fills the role of the Vic1. As for the firepower to size difference between the ISD and Vic 1, I think that is proof of the Tarkin Doctrine being accpeted (and WEG not knowing their heads from a hole in the ground, but I digress).

Oh, and BAC means Bothan Assault Cruiser, Defender meand Defender class Star Destroyer, Republic is Republic class Star Destroyer, and Thrust ship is a Yevetha Thrustship.

I think your idea on the Vic II's bulding purpose is as good a guess as any. It makes perfect sense.

I've got a few questions for you, since you seem to be knowledgeable on the subject.

You state that an ISD's shield capabilites are 16TT. I assume this numerical value has to do with the values of the shields and how much bombardment it can withstand. So what exactly does TT mean?
Also, you state that an ISD single broadside volley equals 16.6 TT. So your saying firepower is also measured in the same way as the shield numbers are?

Can you also explain your values for the missile tubes? 16000000000000/800000000000
You then state later in the post that theoretically based on this information concussion missiles are 800 GT then. Ignoring the 800, what does GT mean? We were discussing in terms of TT before, now your talking about GT, so what's the difference?

Then in your other post where you list the capabilities of single volleys from certain ships you use MT. Once again Im lost as to the difference between TT, GT, and MT.

Sorry about all the questions but I'm quite interested in this If you could help explain this I'd greatly appreciate it.

Talon Karrde wrote:. Once again Im lost as to the difference between TT, GT, and MT.

A TT is 1000 times as much as a GT, which is 1000 times as much as a MT. MT is short for megaton, as in megatons of TNT, the usual measurement for very high explosive yields.

Raxmei wrote:

Talon Karrde wrote:. Once again Im lost as to the difference between TT, GT, and MT.

A TT is 1000 times as much as a GT, which is 1000 times as much as a MT. MT is short for megaton, as in megatons of TNT, the usual measurement for very high explosive yields.

Thanks a bunch, this helps me out a lot, it begins to make sense

Talon Karrde wrote:

Raxmei wrote:

Talon Karrde wrote:. Once again Im lost as to the difference between TT, GT, and MT.

A TT is 1000 times as much as a GT, which is 1000 times as much as a MT. MT is short for megaton, as in megatons of TNT, the usual measurement for very high explosive yields.

Thanks a bunch, this helps me out a lot, it begins to make sense

Just for reference, the Hiroshima Nuke was 20 kilotons (megaton=1000 kilotons) and the largest nuke ver was around 59 megatons.

Ok, reviewed my stuff and I have found a few errors on the missile calc.

I used total shielding, when it was to bring down a section, not the whole shpiel.

4 sections, meaning it would be 4tt shields, so 4000000000000 / 20 = 200000000000 ton missiles.

In addition, using a very generous assumption of type 10 phasers being 63 MT (All we really know is that they are less then PTs, so I'm going with this to give trekkies the benefit of the doubt even thought trek fan SCVN says type 12 are only 40 MT) I figured out some stuff about the shield trick. Assuming that it gave out the total power output of all the phasers and torps on board per second, against an ISD it would take 16 minutes, 3 seconds to take down the shields. A ISD can BDZ a planet in 15.

I can post that math if you would like (even though it is very spotty)

About your first post, I think that shielding is measured in watts (it was in SWICS), so if the 800GT missiles release their energy in one second (It's probably a far shorter time than that, an ISD TL expends it's energy in 1/15 of a second), 20 800GT missiles would release 3.36E21 watts.

By "shields", do you mean "hull"?

Also Remeber the ISD can "Reforce", "shift all power to XXX defelctors" and "bring the XXX shields back up" the first two always being done in under five seconds and the last normaly within a mintue which can have a impact on Shield Strength we can calcuate, Anywhere from 5% to a full 100% increase in shield power prehaps more(Remeber all shields to Aft means both fowrad AND Ventral Shields)

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote:About your first post, I think that shielding is measured in watts (it was in SWICS), so if the 800GT missiles release their energy in one second (It's probably a far shorter time than that, an ISD TL expends it's energy in 1/15 of a second), 20 800GT missiles would release 3.36E21 watts.

By "shields", do you mean "hull"?

Back when ICS came out, I asked him to do a comparrison with the reactor sizes, as I lack the stuff to do it with. He replied someone had alreayd done it, and that the strength was 16 TT. That's where it came from.

Him is HDS by the way. Curse no editing...

Mr Bean wrote:Also Remeber the ISD can "Reforce", "shift all power to XXX defelctors" and "bring the XXX shields back up" the first two always being done in under five seconds and the last normaly within a mintue which can have a impact on Shield Strength we can calcuate, Anywhere from 5% to a full 100% increase in shield power prehaps more(Remeber all shields to Aft means both fowrad AND Ventral Shields)

You mean DORSAL and ventral, right?

Just for reference, the Hiroshima Nuke was 20 kilotons (megaton=1000 kilotons) and the largest nuke ver was around 59 megatons.

So if an ISD's single volley is 1,875,000,000 MT, and MT equals 1000 kilotons, and the Hiroshima nuke was 20 kilotons, your telling me that during space battles we are seeing the power of nuclear war thousands times over? Perhaps Im missing something simple hear.

Also during planetary bombardments with that firepower a planet would be wiped out in seconds would it not?

You mean DORSAL and ventral, right

Arggh Forgot Dorsal!

No No They clearly Refer to Aft, Forward, Dorsal, Ventral shields so setting all to one sides could quite reforce it

Remeber Solo Command A Mon Cal Cruiser Stands up to the Iron Fist long enough to get away because it ran all it shields to one side and manvorvoed in such a way that no one else could get a shot at the other sides

So where do you get your shielding and firepower infomration from (in terms of GT, MT, KT and so on?) Does this come entirely form ICS?

Basically I took the WEG stats and the ICS numbers and did the math. For shielding I got it from HDS.