From Pierre Spey, one of the "fathers" of the F-16.
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Normally, I'd only post this in HAB, but this is funny enough.
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I thought I did post this in the HAB (along with another article) a while back? Or at least mentioned it. It's not new, mind.
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Looking at his "lessons learned":
- this is nice, but it's not really necessary for combat. At that speed, your turn radius will be grossly large.20 minutes combat cruise above Mach 1.2
High maneuverability. I can understand that, if you're in a guns-only environment with no BVR engagement ability. It's even nice as a backup. It's not a "must-have" for a fighter.Subsonic maximum g and transients near F-16 level
Primary dependence on passive avionics/anti-radiation missile

Yeah! Like the landing gear and the ejection...seat...what? OK, so maybe there have been some wonky changes to aircraft (F-16 as a bomb truck), but that's post-development, and it's done because it works.Radical elimination of specifications and equipment
Now you've probably eliminated the supercruise of specification #1, you've got a short-legged, light-armed aircraft due to lack of payload capacity, and your avionics bay will be tiny, limiting what you can do with passives. Half the other criteria are violated by this criterion.Size smaller than F-5
That's roughly 1.3 million in FY2006 dollars. Back in 1979, we were trying to sell 50 F-5's to Saudi Arabia for $525 million. Even figuring we marked up the price, we couldn't build an F-5 today for under $4 million, let alone Sprey's uber-gnat of DOOM.Cost below $4 million (in FY79 dollars)
This will cost money to develop (see above), as well as reducing versatility of the aircraft, as the high V, low mass bullet is less useful in an anti-ground role.More lethal gun (higher Vo, smaller caliber)
From what I've read, AIM-9X does this and has the head-on capability. Epic fail.More reliable snap-shoot IR missile (head on unnecessary)
Sprey also seems to feel pilots are cheap and expendable, wanting mass swarms of knife-fighter airplanes that are too small for good avionics and legs, and too lightly-armed for sustained combat. This is a great way to pull a Japanese Empire and run rampant for six months or a year, and then have a bunch of dead pilots and no air superiority.
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That extra 3,000 lbs of weight and $3 million of equipment turned the F-16 from a slower, more manuverable F-104A (clear weather only fighter) to an all weather fighter that actually was better than what it was replacing.The Dark wrote: OK, so maybe there have been some wonky changes to aircraft (F-16 as a bomb truck), but that's post-development, and it's done because it works.
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Oh, I certainly agree with that. It's just the idea of a light fighter acting as a bomber that strikes most people a bit oddly. I still remember the big excitement over the upgrades to the Block 48 Falcons.MKSheppard wrote:That extra 3,000 lbs of weight and $3 million of equipment turned the F-16 from a slower, more manuverable F-104A (clear weather only fighter) to an all weather fighter that actually was better than what it was replacing.The Dark wrote: OK, so maybe there have been some wonky changes to aircraft (F-16 as a bomb truck), but that's post-development, and it's done because it works.
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