Concordiat (Boloverse) vs. the Federation (ST)

[Black Admiral]

The Concordiat of Man, at its highest point of military readiness

vs

The UFP, at a similar point

One caveat though: the Concordiat isn't going to start mass usage of planet-busters without a very good reason

[18-Till-I-Die]

While i'm not sure about the firepower of Concordat ships, i know what a Hellbore can do and since they use the same weapons on their ships but just more of 'em, i'd say at the very least they're even with the Federation for weapons, and i'm willing to think maybe surpass them. The thing is, i dont think we know how many ships they have, or how vast their infrastructure is. If they outnumber the Feds by 10 to one, they'll win eventually, if it's the other way around, they'll have to fight much harder.

Bolos will, to be frank, ass rape the Federation three ways to sunday. No question. Photon torpedoes could probably turn a Bolo to an ash hill, but if the Concordat controls orbital space, it wont be available, and iwth the Federation's ground 'army' consisting it seems of mainly infantry, they simply cant win on the ground.

I dont know enough about the Concordat military infrastructure, but i know they could drop a few Bolos on Earth and that would be that for teh Federation homeworld. Unless i've missed something about their ground forces.

[Black Admiral]

Well, I can provide data on the ships of the Concordiat Navy:
Terra-class superdreadnaughts
Repulse-class battlecruisers (note: main battery is 200cm Hellbores)
Heavy cruisers, unknown class
Light cruisers, unknown class (note: Bolo Mark 33's secondary batteries euqal to or greater in firepower than CL main guns)
Destroyers, unknown class
Victory-class carriers
Xenophon-class transports (note: not technically a combat ship, but can be converted into one by attach Bolos to the external docking clamps)
Bonaventure Royale type infiltration deployment ship (note: is armed with unspecified main battery and 'ship-class repeaters')

[consequences]

The Concordiat woud pretty much squish the Feds. Even taking the highest end interpretation of Trek firepower leaves the Concordiat within spitting distance(if not exceeding, I'm not sure how Hellbore firepower scales up with size). Anything like the kiloton range weapons suggested by the Trek canon leaves Starfleet being casually swatted out of the sky by lone Bolos on outer Concordiat colonies.

[Black Admiral]

The Concordiat woud pretty much squish the Feds. Even taking the highest end interpretation of Trek firepower leaves the Concordiat within spitting distance(if not exceeding, I'm not sure how Hellbore firepower scales up with size).

Hellbore power seems to increase by about .25 megatonnes per 10cm barrel bore IIRC.

[18-Till-I-Die]

And those Hellbore Railcannons have like 6 gigatons right? Plus they have acess to pleanty of planetbusters, and of course, the ultimate battle machine, the Bolos. They could take transporst with bolos on teh hull and crush the Federation. A Hellbore puts out something like six or seven megatons a second, right? I think i read that somwhere. And KKM (kinetic-kill missiles) would probably plow through Federation ships and come out the other side.

And even if the Federation is unbeatable in space (which, against the Concordat i dont think it is) the Bolos would be able to fire up into space and strike their ships in orbit. The ones like Hector (Bolo Rising) demonstrated this feat, which is no small task i'd imagine.

[Black Admiral]

And those Hellbore Railcannons have like 6 gigatons right?

Depending on the exact refire rate, the Hellrails put out 5.4 to 6.48 gigatons per shot.

Plus they have acess to pleanty of planetbusters,

For the purposes of this debate, they're not going to use them without good reason.

A Hellbore puts out something like six or seven megatons a second, right?

5 MT/sec for a normal 200cm Hellbore, 6 MT/sec for the HCT variant Bolo's main guns.

[consequences]

Which gives a Mark 33 something like 22 Megatons per sec of firepower(3 200 CM main guns, and 14 20 CM secondaries IIRC)

[Black Admiral]

Which gives a Mark 33 something like 22 Megatons per sec of firepower(3 200 CM main guns, and 14 20 CM secondaries IIRC)

HCT variant = 21.5 MT/sec total for Hellbores

Mark XXXIII/D = 20.6 MT/sec for Hellbores

[Uraniun235]

The Concordiat of Man, at its highest point of military readiness

vs

The UFP, at a similar point

One caveat though: the Concordiat isn't going to start mass usage of planet-busters without a very good reason

Wait, define this "highest point of military readiness." Do you mean when the Concordiat was at the height of their power, with the Mk 33 Bolos?

If so, the Concordiat takes it very easily. Otherwise, it utterly depends on what timeframe we're looking at.

Personally, I think a more interesting question would be "at what point did the Concordiat exceed the Federation in terms of military might?"

[Black Admiral]

Wait, define this "highest point of military readiness." Do you mean when the Concordiat was at the height of their power, with the Mk 33 Bolos?

If so, the Concordiat takes it very easily. Otherwise, it utterly depends on what timeframe we're looking at.

Yes, I did mean just before Ragnarok, and yes, it is a bit unfair.

Personally, I think a more interesting question would be "at what point did the Concordiat exceed the Federation in terms of military might?"

I suppose that the Concordiat as of Cold Steel would be a fairer fight.

[Uraniun235]

Well, even then, I think a Concordiat/Federation war could only fall in the Federation's favor as long as the Concordiat fleet was significantly inferior to the Federation fleet. Remember that the Federation's ground forces are pitifully inferior and certainly don't mount any starship-grade weapons, unlike their Concordiat adversaries. The Federation would have to make damn sure that the Concordiat never got a Bolo planetside, because once they did there would be unholy hell to pay.

Given the very low density of starships to space in the Federation, this could be very difficult.