[STGOD] Anti-slavery Alliance

Post by **Beowulf** » 2003-04-28 08:57pm

The Oceania Union would like to propose an alliance for the specific and sole purpose of preventing the trafficking in of intelligent beings. Any other nations wishto join us?

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-04-28 09:00pm

The Free Floater Republics will stand by the Oceania Union on this issue. Slavery must end!

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-04-28 09:03pm

The New Roman Empire does not understand the aversion to slavery. Our slaves are well-treated and many earn their freedom. There are some rather unpleasant masters but laws are in place to prevent harsh cruelty to slaves. The slaveowners of the Empire have commited no atrocities save dispensing just punishment for rebellion; the more dangerous slave-occupations are filled exclusively with criminals. Slaves are not degraded and many integrate seamlessly into society once they have earned their freedom. Further, many freemen even willingly become slaves; the glory of the gladiator is like a siren call to many.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2003-04-28 09:03pm

The Pan-Slavic Republic wholeheartedly supports any such endeavour. Before joining, however, we must request that the Oceania Union come forth with a brief list of articles for this alliance. How will it pursue its objective? What will be required of the signatories?

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-04-28 09:08pm

The practice of slavery is a stain on all nations as long as it exists. The Lost will, of course, interdict any convoys carrying slaves and free those such imprisoned.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2003-04-28 09:12pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:The Pan-Slavic Republic wholeheartedly supports any such endeavour. Before joining, however, we must request that the Oceania Union come forth with a brief list of articles for this alliance. How will it pursue its objective? What will be required of the signatories?

The signatories would be required to:

Keep their own space clear of slavers, by any means necessary.
Allow merchant marine flying their flag to be inspected by any other signatory.
If necessary, use economic sanctions against slaver outlaw states.

Other articles would be decided upon by the initial signatories.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2003-04-28 09:17pm

Beowulf wrote:The signatories would be required to:
Keep their own space clear of slavers, by any means necessary.
Allow merchant marine flying their flag to be inspected by any other signatory.
If necessary, use economic sanctions against slaver outlaw states.

Other articles would be decided upon by the initial signatories.

The PSR feels compelled to join this alliance, but it must also point out that it has recognized the Sol System as an neutral zone for warships and shipping, and cannot interdict ships moving through it, no matter how repugnant their purpose and cargo.

Besides this proviso, we accept this articles.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-04-28 09:19pm

The Asgard wholeheartedly endorse this endavour.

Seggybop · Post by **Seggybop** » 2003-04-28 09:26pm

Soirehtyiaz will sign to this agreement.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-04-28 09:26pm

We too accept this proposal.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-04-28 09:28pm

HemlockGrey wrote: Further, many freemen even willingly become slaves; the glory of the gladiator is like a siren call to many.

And just like the Siren call...they die upon reaching the source

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-04-28 09:29pm

The Kokand Empire supports this treaty but cannot currently sign it on account of its second article. Allow merchant marine flying their flag to be inspected by any other signatory.

Our merchant shipping will submit to whatever inspections are required to enter the territory of another star nation. That is all.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-04-28 09:30pm

And just like the Siren call...they die upon reaching the source

Not always. Some gladiators retire rich and famous; and if they die, well, it was their choice!

And only criminals are forced into gladiatorial combat unwilling.

Arthur_Tuxedo · Post by **Arthur_Tuxedo** » 2003-04-28 09:33pm

The UPK already has strict laws against the keeping and moving of human cargo, but would prefer not to strain relations with the NRE, with whom we are beginning to have a fruitful trading relationsihp. We remain sympathetic to the virtues espoused by this treaty, but regretfully cannot sign it at this time.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-04-28 09:33pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:The Kokand Empire supports this treaty but cannot currently sign it on account of its second article. Allow merchant marine flying their flag to be inspected by any other signatory.

Our merchant shipping will submit to whatever inspections are required to enter the territory of another star nation. That is all.

Indeed, we likewise agree to customs inspections, not harassment. Perhaps the point should be clarified?

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-04-28 09:34pm

HemlockGrey wrote:
And just like the Siren call...they die upon reaching the source
Not always. Some gladiators retire rich and famous; and if they die, well, it was their choice!

And only criminals are forced into gladiatorial combat unwilling.

Some, not all. Why must they enter into servitude to do so?

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-04-28 09:36pm

The Emperor and the Senate have issued an edict commanding all slaves and slaveowners to avoid the territory of the above signatories. We will not interfere with you, and would appreciate it if the favor were returned.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-04-28 09:40pm

HemlockGrey wrote:The Emperor and the Senate have issued an edict commanding all slaves and slaveowners to avoid the territory of the above signatories. We will not interfere with you, and would appreciate it if the favor were returned.

We have made our position clear, there can be no negotiation.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-04-28 09:41pm

Some, not all. Why must they enter into servitude to do so?

It is a tradition stretching back to the founding of the City. If they do not wish to enter into servitude, they do not have to become gladiators.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-04-28 09:43pm

We will not permit your Empire to ttraffic in Human beings, r other species of sentient life

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2003-04-28 09:43pm

Though we support the measure, the Monacoran Nation cannot sign the bill for various political reasons. Rest assured however that the Monacoran Customs agency, and the more local agencies have many laws outlawing slavery.

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2003-04-28 11:50pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:The Kokand Empire supports this treaty but cannot currently sign it on account of its second article. Allow merchant marine flying their flag to be inspected by any other signatory.

Our merchant shipping will submit to whatever inspections are required to enter the territory of another star nation. That is all.

How about a modification that allows a signatory nation to inspect a merchant ship within its borders for slaves or other sentients in bondage if it had probable cause to believe they were being smuggled? If this modification was made, Her Serene Majesty's government would sign.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-04-28 11:57pm

The Duchess of Zeon wrote:
How about a modification that allows a signatory nation to inspect a merchant ship within its borders for slaves or other sentients in bondage if it had probable cause to believe they were being smuggled? If this modification was made, Her Serene Majesty's government would sign.

If a vessel is within another star nations boarders it would already be subject to search. A provision that customs officials will inspect for sentient cargo as contraband is sufficient.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2003-04-29 12:17am

Sea Skimmer wrote:
The Duchess of Zeon wrote:
How about a modification that allows a signatory nation to inspect a merchant ship within its borders for slaves or other sentients in bondage if it had probable cause to believe they were being smuggled? If this modification was made, Her Serene Majesty's government would sign.
If a vessel is within another star nations boarders it would already be subject to search. A provision that customs officials will inspect for sentient cargo as contraband is sufficient.

Seeing as many of the possible signatories see the second provision to be useless or worse, dangerous in that it allows potential harassment of merchant shipping, it will be stricken from the articles.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-04-29 06:55am

HemlockGrey wrote:
And just like the Siren call...they die upon reaching the source
Not always. Some gladiators retire rich and famous; and if they die, well, it was their choice!

And only criminals are forced into gladiatorial combat unwilling.

*Video transmission of a Fenari "Sporting Event", involving swords, scooped devices, and a large sphere, that some times explodes, and is some times replaced with the head of an opposing team member*

<Does the Roman Empire play *Ball Game*, actually the Fenari just enjoy the competition, *Ball players* are drawn from groups of Fenari blessed by use of *Teleportation Booths*>