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Evilchumlee wrote: ↑2023-07-06 01:34pm I apologize for spoilers once again. Had no intention of that.

Also apologies again, I meant that somewhat facetiously, it didn't translate through online text.

Oh no worries on either account. I shouldn't have been snippy about it. I apologise. I only brought it up again because bilateralrope asked.

Whelp, fixed it.

Spoiler I like Ortegas more than I thought I would though. I compare Ortegas to O'Brian. She's just, a regular person. No secret dark past. No secret genetic augments. No secret dark family history. No secret future knowledge. No quirky, eccentric alien stuff. She's just, a pilot, on a ship. I like that... not everyone needs to have some extraordinary story. Some... MOST... are just people.

Ortegas does need like, an Ortegas episode. She's by far the least developed of any character... but it might actually be a part of why I like her. I fear that, given too much to do, Ortegas will lose the "regular person" thing and have some crazy backstory thing that REALLY isn't necessary.

I could do with an Ortegas/Chapel episode. Have Ortegas finally get her wish, go on an Away Team and... the shit hits the fan. Maybe Ortegas and Spock, although... I don't know... there was what might have just been a throwaway line in this episode that I fear could give me the "dark backstory" I don't want, coupled with the previous season finale... Not gonna bother spoiling when she looks at Spock and says something like "I feel angry at you"... and then her filling in the "I'm angry at Vulcans because I know what Romulans are now" role... are we going to be "treated" to Ortegas having some deep seated trauma related to Vulcans?

Kinda hope i'm looking too much into that.

I thought this week's episode was a lot of fun. I knew Ethan Peck plays a good Spock, but this really let him stretch his legs and have fun with the character.

Eh, it really didn't land with me with the focus on social awkwardness and cringe comedy. The Chapel plot was fine until the end but them going that far, well, they may pull back on it later but in TOS, was there indication chapel's feelings were reciprocated and it wasn't just her crushing on Spock?

The end scene with T'Pring really makes it clear that Spock's kind of a lousy insecure fiance and a lot of their relationship problems really are his fault.

I find it kind of odd that the space faring Vulcans would miss such an anomaly in their own system. Perhaps they just take it for granted?

When the shuttle went back, they said they couldn't communicate with anything beyond a light year. So it's at least in the next system over.

Still difficult to miss. So I'd say the Vulcans never investigated it. Though, with how much the Enterprise knew before they got there, it looks like someone investigated the rest of the planet.

Well, Enterprise (Archer's show) had the Vulcans as pretty "we know nebula like that, so why investigate this one?".

Maybe they had encountered a similar anomaly and dismissed this one as the same without taking a closer look.

Also, IIRC Vulcans are rather by-the-letter officers. If their order stated "investigate the planet" they do that, and only that. Unless something non-trivial is found.

How long has the Federation existed by this point in time ?

Because they also didn't investigate the anomaly until this episode. So I'm guessing that everybody who knew about it decided that it wasn't worth the risk of flying a manned vessel that close, until improvements in engines and sensors made the probable scientific gain worth the risk.

Grand Moff Yenchin wrote: ↑2023-07-16 09:27pm I find it kind of odd that the space faring Vulcans would miss such an anomaly in their own system. Perhaps they just take it for granted?

I don't think it's that odd when you consider the Vulcans have been space faring far longer than humans but it took humans to kick everyone in the pants and accomplish in decades what the other races never did in centuries...

AniThyng wrote: ↑2023-07-17 04:50am

Grand Moff Yenchin wrote: ↑2023-07-16 09:27pm I find it kind of odd that the space faring Vulcans would miss such an anomaly in their own system. Perhaps they just take it for granted?

I don't think it's that odd when you consider the Vulcans have been space faring far longer than humans but it took humans to kick everyone in the pants and accomplish in decades what the other races never did in centuries...

People have commented on that before. Vulcans advance science by studying things carefully and methodically. While humans are more chaotic, stumbling across really weird results.

The two approaches probably complement each other quite well.

There isn't words in Vulcan for "swirly thing alert" that's their problem.

eta: Also, I don't think Strange New Worlds has actually visited any strange new worlds yet this season.

They have had the memory loss planet and the bureaucracy in the swirly thing. Those seem like they would rank quite highly in how strange worlds in Trek are.

That was a repeat visit and a Vulcan moon respectively. So Strange, yes, but not new was my thinking.

I feel like this anomaly was potentially something recently unearthed, or perhaps it hasn't been there for a long time. They clearly full well know of the remnants of the ancient civilization, but it might have been that the actual anomaly just recently showed up.

My real issue with this episode is that... Spock and Chapel are kind of scumbags.

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Wow, that seems a bend on established dialogue to get the characters to interact in Prime timeline (does it still count as Prime timeline with the Temporal Cold War shenanigans? ) I'm looking forward to see all the outrage/rational on this.

On a funny note, we now have a "space hippies" verbal comment in universe.

Well it was said in dialogue in TOS that Kirk and PIke met when Pike was promoted to fleet captain, while the implications were that it was when Kirk took over the Enterprise it was never outright said it was so.

So as long as Kirk and Pike don't interact too much (Kirk said he had barely met Pike) this isn't out of line with canon

I find it impossible to actually dislike Kirk or Alt!Kirk in either of his guest appearances this season but it is odd to me they are leaning so heavily on using him as prominent guest star when any of their main cast could do with the exposure and screen time. His conversation with La'an was a highlight though.

I don't care for the Spock/Chapel plot and I have to wonder at Spock wanting to officially declare his affair with Chapel to Starfleet when he's engaged.

A warning for anyone who wants to avoid spoilers. Episode 7, the Lower Decks crossover episode, has been released early on some streaming platforms.

Since I don't know where it's out early and where it isn't Put my thoughts in a spoiler tag.
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I can't disagree with that.
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They're also doing a musical episode later. Not sure why the showrunners made this season with more light-hearted episodes. Not complaining, just feeling it kind of odd for a 10 episode season.

I suspect, especially from relooking at the trailers recently, that either episode 8 or 10 are going to be more very grim, Gorn related aliens knockoff episodes. So the lightness of 7 and 9 is to counteract that.

Just speculation though.