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So Doug Walker, better known as the Nostalgia Critic, bowed to pressure to do a review of the AtlA movie by Shyamalan. But since the show is such a sensation he decided to watch the show first, so he could best understand and judge the film as an adaptation. Shortly after starting this, he decided to do an episode a night, and post a short (like 6-12 minute) video of his thoughts and reactions right after.


Boy in the Iceberg
The Avatar Returns
Southern Air Temple
Warriors of Kyoshi
King of Omashu
Imprisoned
Winter Solstice
The Waterbending Scroll
Jet
The Great Divide
The Storm
The Blue Spirit
The Fortuneteller

Kind of nice to sort of rediscover the show through a newcomer's eyes, see the skepticism turn to respect and so on. I also really respect his efforts to remain spoiler free, though how long that'll last with the comments section... :roll:

Mostly though, I have this sense of anticipated schadenfreude for watching Doug watch the show, watching him fall in love with the characters and the story, and watching his meltdown reaction to the movie. It's sort of like having friends watch Game of Thrones, knowing the Red Wedding is approaching slowly. Except I don't know Doug, and he probably has a good idea going in that the movie is shit. Still.

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No, you're a lovely person, and were I in possession of a uterus, would want your babies.

I shall watch these at some point. I never got the whole Avatar thing, but maybe this will persuade me to give it a go.
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I'm watching this too and I also have the same anticipations. Hell I'm even rewatching the entire show while he is. I can't wait for him to get to episode 26 :P
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I like how he brings up that his parents joined his brother and sister-in-law in watching "Warriors of Kyoshi"... and all laughed about Foaming Mouth Guy.
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Admiral Valdemar wrote: I shall watch these at some point. I never got the whole Avatar thing, but maybe this will persuade me to give it a go.
Seems most appropriate.

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Show's a little slow to start. The animation for the first half part of Water (season 1) drove me nuts and I don't remember being really impressed by the show until I saw the Storm and the Blue Spirit in one sitting. That said, this is absolutely a show that rewards your for sticking through the early bits.
gigabytelord wrote:I'm watching this too and I also have the same anticipations. Hell I'm even rewatching the entire show while he is. I can't wait for him to get to episode 26 :P
26... Toph's intro story, right?

Yeah, she really elevated the show, even beyond where it had been.
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Hmm. I like Doug Walker talking about things. I like Avatar The Last Airbender. For some reason my first reaction though was I don't want to watch those videos. Like they wouldn't mix or something.

I've not watched The live action movie, though. Wondering if I should.
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Crazedwraith wrote:Hmm. I like Doug Walker talking about things. I like Avatar The Last Airbender. For some reason my first reaction though was I don't want to watch those videos. Like they wouldn't mix or something.

I've not watched The live action movie, though. Wondering if I should.
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Lets put it this way the live action film was so bad it did only nearly killed the franchice for good, the makers of Legend of Korra took a HUGE risk by not going the easy road with their main character aka making the main character a convetionally actractive male with no clear indication of ethnic backround unless said backround is generic white guy, instead of making main character not only a girl, but a girl that didn't have the typical silm supermodel look of female heroes and had a fairly clear ethnic backround (that isn't "white"), bare in mind that Legend of Korra is main aimed at teen boys.

Now while I aplaud the makers for taking the risk and not going the easy (if racist and sexist) route, can understand why they were worried it might not work.
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I don't think The Last Airbender nearly killed the franchise, unless you're talking about just the potential for TLA movies. Most fans just kept them well partitioned, which was easy because of how bad Shymalan's movie was (and the liberties they took with some elements). And Shymalan kept the show creators at arms' length after getting the rights to make it.
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Here's the thing with the movie, 95% of my complaints would be minor nitpicks if they didn't constitute the entire film. Little things like no one's name being pronounced like on the show, or Zuko's scar being barely noticeable, or Roku being a dragon. The props, costumes and make-up are pretty bad too, but that's nothing. The movie's actual problem is that it tries to fit the entire book of Water into a single film, and it's a short film, like 90 maybe 100 minutes? So they're constantly throwing exposition and narration at you and merging some plotlines in the weirdest way. Like, after helping out the imprisoned earthbenders, Aang and Katara are given a very familiar scroll of waterbending techniques. Or Aang goes alone to the Northern Air Temple, is betrayed by the only guy there (who isn't the Mechanist) and captured by the Fire Nation, prompting his rescue by the Blue Spirit. It just feels really rushed and unfocused and was probably helluva confusing to people who didn't watch the show.

Also, all the dialogue sounds like a speech, and all the speeches sound really terrible. Bending looks fucking silly in the movie, maybe that was unavoidable to an extent, but on the show the elements moved like they were a part of the benders' bodies. An Earthbender stomps the ground so a rock flies up, then punches the air to send it flying. In the movie, Aang does like 6 seconds of Power Ranger moves and then there's a wind. Oh, and firebenders can't create fire, despite that being a large source of their pride and belief in their superiority, they bend fire bolts from nearby campfires and torches, ironically making them the weakest benders. Ozai (who gets a lot of screentime in the movie, along with Zhao) actually says that Sozin's comet will give them the power to make fire or something similar. And while we're on the topic of bending-related silliness, remember the oil rig-thing the Fire Nation used as a prison for earthbenders, so they would be apart from their element? Remember how cleverly the kids found earth (coal) for them to use? In the movie, the earthbender prison is a fenced-in quarry with 10 guards, tops. I'm dead serious. A fucking rock quarry. That'll hold an earthbender for maybe ten seconds, if he was a distance from the gate when he decided to leave.

Oh, and there's this really weird subplot about how Aang can't waterbend until he accepts the deaths of the Air Nomads and lets himself grieve. I dunno, maybe it was an attempt to make all bending more spiritual, like Aang had to learn to tackle his problems head-on to learn earthbending. Iroh also seemed to have read ahead, he was bugging Zuko the whole film to give up the hunt and live a happy life outside the Fire Nation.

But like I said, these are asethic and style problems. I could live with them, it's the terrible pacing and shitty dialogue that really sunk the movie. That and the unrealistic expectation people seemed to have that at this point in his career, Shymalan could equal the quality of a nickelodeon cartoon. /rant.


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Guardsman Bass wrote:I don't think The Last Airbender nearly killed the franchise, unless you're talking about just the potential for TLA movies. Most fans just kept them well partitioned, which was easy because of how bad Shymalan's movie was (and the liberties they took with some elements). And Shymalan kept the show creators at arms' length after getting the rights to make it.
no I meant the whole deal, before Legend of Korra came out there was some real fears that the live-action movie had damaged the franchise so badly that there wouldn't be an audience for a new series thus it would have killed the franchise, thankfully those fears turned out to be unfounded but not totally unjustified.
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Ahriman238 wrote:26... Toph's intro story, right?

Yeah, she really elevated the show, even beyond where it had been.
Exactly, That episode is the one that really got me into the show, and locked me there, wouldn't let me go until it was over.

I'm wondering if the same will happen to Doug?
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Ahriman238 wrote: Bending looks fucking silly in the movie, maybe that was unavoidable to an extent, but on the show the elements moved like they were a part of the benders' bodies.

M Night Shyamalan didn't know how to do action scenes in general, let alone how to incorporate vfx into them in a believable way. See, as a director he loves long sweeping pans, but if you use a long sweeping pan in an action scene, like he does in TLA, you can see everyone standing around waiting for their go.

He really needed to go and watch a hell of a lot of kung fu movies and figure out how to incorporate the various kung fu styles chucking rocks, water, and fire at each other into the type of angles and shots that make for dynamic and exciting fights.

That's why the bending in the movie is crap, the director had absolutely no idea how to do a good action scene at any level, from camerawork to choreography.

Whereas the show put a hell of a lot of effort into the choreography, basing each bending type on distinct and thematically appropriate kung fu styles whose stances and motions looked appropriate to the element they were moving. (Even to the extent that Toph gets a special style of her own, Chu Gar Preying Mantis, which is a style where most attacks use the hands and kicks are kept fast, short, and low to keep the feet on the ground and maintain balance. Perfect for a character who wants to keep her feet on the ground because she uses them to see.)
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Yeah, you really don't get a feeling of "crap, Aang's dangerous at any range" so much as wondering why the Fire Nation soldiers don't just run up to Aang and kick the crap out of him while he's trying to figure out his bad dance moves. There was one point where the guy he hits with a wind (after a 3 second routine) was maybe 4 feet away.

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Ahriman238 wrote:Yeah, you really don't get a feeling of "crap, Aang's dangerous at any range" so much as wondering why the Fire Nation soldiers don't just run up to Aang and kick the crap out of him while he's trying to figure out his bad dance moves. There was one point where the guy he hits with a wind (after a 3 second routine) was maybe 4 feet away.
from the vids I've seen they added alot of unneeded movement to bending, where is the series it essentially 1 move per action, in the movie you need a dozen moves to do the same thing or less, thus making bending look less like martial arts and more like a silly dance.
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Ahriman238 wrote:Yeah, you really don't get a feeling of "crap, Aang's dangerous at any range" so much as wondering why the Fire Nation soldiers don't just run up to Aang and kick the crap out of him while he's trying to figure out his bad dance moves. There was one point where the guy he hits with a wind (after a 3 second routine) was maybe 4 feet away.
from the vids I've seen they added alot of unneeded movement to bending, where is the series it essentially 1 move per action, in the movie you need a dozen moves to do the same thing or less, thus making bending look less like martial arts and more like a silly dance.
There was an analysis piece put up on io9 or buzzfeed way back in the day comparing the show bending vs movie bending along with this Youtube video of rather low quality demonstrating show earth bending vs movie earth bending.

Example to get rock in the show earth bender stamps ground up comes rock. A second punching or kicking motion throws the rock. Need a rock to shield you from a fire attack? Plant your feet and throw up your arms and up comes rock shield, push arms down to lower rock shield. In the movie however what I just described takes twice to four times as many moves to do the exact same thing making bending look slow and silly.

Can be summed up this way. In the show you can throw a bolder the size of torso in two quick movements, one to tear it out of the ground the other to throw it. In the movie it takes six guys doing a four second dance to throw a similar size..

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I wonder if the extra movements were something the studio wanted or something the director wanted.
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I've been watching Doug's review and i'm particularly interesting in his opinion on The Great Divide. Which I thought the general opinion of was that it was forgettable filler episode with a pretty blunt lesson of prejudice. but Doug really likes it. Until the last thirty seconds where Aang glibly reveals he was lying about his story about knowing the two founders of the feuding villages, which he finds unjustifiable.

Now i always liked it. Not for the lying of the episode's implication that this is funny but for simply avoiding the idea that Aang was always in the right plae a hundred years ago to learn stuff that's relevant in the episodes.

What does everyone think of this issue?


edit: holy crap, Doug noticed azula in The Storm first time through. And his thoughts on the two routes Zuko's story can take. Basically Zuko does one then the other.
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Honestly, when I watched the episode my first thought was "no way, even on a kid's show. Aang did not know everyone in the Earth Kingdom." Then they revealed the lie, and I felt a bit satisfied. As for the rest, like you say, it was a forgettable episode. I wasn't outraged, but in retrospect I can see how someone could have that reaction.
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And the Waterbending Master

I guess that makes tomorrow night the Siege of the North.
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ha. I thought from what he said earlier (in kyoshi episode I think) that he wasn't going to take a shine to that episode.

He also pointed out something. Katara really is a badarse bender in that episode. I mean alot better at bending than even the previous episode. She'd been improving slowly over the season. Especially since she got the scrolls but she suddenly got a lot better just in time to fight paku.
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one possibility is that she (unknowingly?) holding back before for what ever reason but the master pissed her enough to go all out. After all when fighting firebender the Gaang is typically outnumbered so holding back the more advanced moves could be considered wise, since IIRC harder the move, more exausting it will be for the bender to do it.
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I took it as a combination of Katara having learned a lot from the waterbending scroll off-screen, and Pakku's playing with her.

The Siege of the North is up.

Mostly with complaints that the story felt rushed, and the sudden introduction of Yue's connection to the Moon Spirit. Also confusion over the role the moon plays in waterbending. Some love for Koh, not enough for Koizilla.

At least Doug should have a couple questions answered tonight,when he sees the Avatar State.
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And opening Earth with The Avatar State
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