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Lord Revan wrote: ↑2020-06-15 02:11pm
Well I wouldn't directly compare the hyperdrive rings into the size of a hyperdrive, I mean we saw a hyperdrive unit in Episode one and it wasn't that big compared to the ship it was installed in, Amidala's ship was around 90 m long IIRC and the hyperdrive looked like it was at most 2 meters wide, 2 meters tall and half a meter deep compared to Obi-wan who was working on the unit.

GuppyShark wrote: ↑2020-05-22 10:24pmShields. Shields seem to vary in strength from old-EU 'it's a hitpoint pool' to what we see in the films, where it's not uncommon to see a 'shielded' craft blapped in seconds.

Lord Revan wrote: ↑2020-06-15 02:11pm

chimericoncogene wrote: ↑2020-06-15 01:56am

Adam Reynolds wrote: ↑2020-06-14 10:55pm
Was there ever actually such a thing? In any case, the performance tradeoff can't have been that big* for a hyperdrive, as it presumably gave more power for its greater weight.

* For the F4F, it took 90 mph off the speed, which made a floatplane version all but useless. There is a reason that only one was converted.

Have you seen the layout of Jedi interceptors (and their hyperdrive rings)? Hyperdrives are reasonably large affairs, and can easily double the mass of your space fighter - with attendant costs for bigger engines, bigger s-foils, etc, etc.

Compare a V-wing or a Delta with an ARC-170. The ARC-170 has more crew, more sensors, more everything because there's no point building a lightweight fighter that's 70% hyperdrive by mass.

The A-wing is magnificent for stuffing a hyperdrive into a spaceframe that small.

Well I wouldn't directly compare the hyperdrive rings into the size of a hyperdrive, I mean we saw a hyperdrive unit in Episode one and it wasn't that big compared to the ship it was installed in, Amidala's ship was around 90 m long IIRC and the hyperdrive looked like it was at most 2 meters wide, 2 meters tall and half a meter deep compared to Obi-wan who was working on the unit.

FaxModem1 wrote: ↑2020-06-16 07:38am

We also know that something the size of the fighters of the era,, Darth Maul's one man ship also has a hyperdrive, as it's able to travel from Coruscant to Tattooine over the course of a day without a giant ring.

chimericoncogene wrote: ↑2020-06-16 08:41am

FaxModem1 wrote: ↑2020-06-16 07:38am

We also know that something the size of the fighters of the era,, Darth Maul's one man ship also has a hyperdrive, as it's able to travel from Coruscant to Tattooine over the course of a day without a giant ring.

*snip photo*

You mean this two-deck Sith Infiltrator?

chimericoncogene wrote: ↑2021-03-20 05:13am We must recall that a TIE fighter is merely the pointy end of a far greater weapons system, which includes ship/shore-based jammers, ECCM, sensors, and command-and-control systems.

(recall the tale of the air defense system with a fighter, the big control radar, and the C&C system - spending money on either one does not get you a better system because of the limitations of the other two; you need to split the money into three parts and upgrade all bits of the system equally)

TIEs, like V-wings, are lightweight capship defenders (the opposite idea to an ARC-170 recon bird designed for independent patrols). Their design philosophy offloads all the complex big-ticket items - radar, ground control/navigational interfaces, jammers, ECCM, hyperdrive - onto nearby ships, bases, and battlestations. Supported by Star Destroyers and banks of GCI capcoms, TIEs are fearsome fighters. Alone, in empty space, they're dead meat.

Network-centric warfare IN SPAAACEEE! Systems vs. platforms.

We see this a lot - backed up by the fearsome ECM and superb GCI of the Death Star, Black Squadron rips apart Red and Gold Squadrons over Yavin. Chasing the Falcon beyond capship support, TIEs are relatively easy prey to quad guns.

The Imperial bureaucrat's answer to improving the TIE fighter would thus, predictably, be to build bigger and better Star Destroyers with more powerful support jammers and bigger GCI suites. Doctrine, politics, and national character fitting like a tee.

Lord Revan wrote: ↑2021-03-20 09:50am

chimericoncogene wrote: ↑2021-03-20 05:13am We must recall that a TIE fighter is merely the pointy end of a far greater weapons system, which includes ship/shore-based jammers, ECCM, sensors, and command-and-control systems.

(recall the tale of the air defense system with a fighter, the big control radar, and the C&C system - spending money on either one does not get you a better system because of the limitations of the other two; you need to split the money into three parts and upgrade all bits of the system equally)

TIEs, like V-wings, are lightweight capship defenders (the opposite idea to an ARC-170 recon bird designed for independent patrols). Their design philosophy offloads all the complex big-ticket items - radar, ground control/navigational interfaces, jammers, ECCM, hyperdrive - onto nearby ships, bases, and battlestations. Supported by Star Destroyers and banks of GCI capcoms, TIEs are fearsome fighters. Alone, in empty space, they're dead meat.

Network-centric warfare IN SPAAACEEE! Systems vs. platforms.

We see this a lot - backed up by the fearsome ECM and superb GCI of the Death Star, Black Squadron rips apart Red and Gold Squadrons over Yavin. Chasing the Falcon beyond capship support, TIEs are relatively easy prey to quad guns.

The Imperial bureaucrat's answer to improving the TIE fighter would thus, predictably, be to build bigger and better Star Destroyers with more powerful support jammers and bigger GCI suites. Doctrine, politics, and national character fitting like a tee.

This thread is almost a year old by now, it would have probably been better for your to create a now one and link to this thread then necro this one. especially since your post reads like you posted it drunk or high on something.