Prepare for the Imperial Invasion

[TheDarkling]

The federation is not amoral the Prime directive is designed to stop bad things happening.


Tarkin talks like Picard .... The same Picard who constantly does the Moral thing no matter what?.

The Tarkin who kills billions so that the natives will stay in line and not hope for freedom?


At least show me where your hated stems from.

As for the ships thing - its a socialist state of course they are going to learn towards public transportation.

[Darth Yoshi]

Bad things? Like the Maquis getting slaughtered? And what about the Prime Directive? The Enteprise interfered in Star Trek Insurrection. How's that for hypocrisy? And for what? For the Ba'ku? What happened to the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few? With the radiation on that planet, they could have cured cancer, baldness, blindness, even reverse old age.

[Zoink]

The federation is not amoral the Prime directive is designed to stop bad things happening.

Worf's brother wants to save a primitive civilization from destruction before their world becomes uninhabitable.

Picard says they can't rescue them because of the prime directive. They have to die because they don't have warp engines.

Worf's brother rescues them anyway, hiding them in a holodeck. Picard moans and complains alot, then settles them on another planet.


So:

Evidently, *bad* things will happen if these people don't die along with the planet.

But, they ARE rescued. Picard should have phasered them all or beamed them back to their deaths, right? To prevent the *bad* things. But he doesn't.

Evidently, Picard has issues with the prime directive also. It was easy to sit and let them die. But, they were unwilling to get their hands dirty to uphold their twisted ideals.

[TheDarkling]

Yes but for every planet that they save you end up with one turned into a twisted Nazi mockery or other such mess up.

The prime directive can cause problems and shouldnt be stuck to hard and fast (None of the great captains do - take note Janeway ) but as a general rule the principle is sound.

The Ba'ku shouldnt have had their planet destroyed just for the federation, using others for your own needs is bad foreign policy and also imoral.

Im sure they have cured cancer its probably phasic cell degredation or some such which is the currect big killer.

The maquis situation was an error I agree but it wasnt done to be evil it was done to prevent a war and further loss of life.

[Zoink]

Yes but for every planet that they save you end up with one turned into a twisted Nazi mockery or other such mess up.

So you agree then that they are letting 50% of rescuable civilizations die? What kind of "sound" principle is that?

As for the other 50%: are "messed up" planets deserving of death? If the primitive people began thinking aliens were Gods... is that really worse then death?

This would fit nicely with the empire though. The imperials are just more pro-active, seeking out and destroying messed up rebel worlds.

The prime directive can cause problems and shouldnt be stuck to hard and fast (None of the great captains do - take note Janeway ) but as a general rule the principle is sound.

If great captains are not always following the directive, then the directive is flawed. They see that there are exceptions to the rule, but neither Star Fleet nor the directive allow for exceptions.

[TheDarkling]

If great captains are not always following the directive, then the directive is flawed. They see that there are exceptions to the rule, but neither Star Fleet nor the directive allow for exceptions.

and thats why computers dont run starships.

I doubt its 50/50 - in fact I doubt that the Feds have ever seen a plannet and its people go bye bye and done nothing.

However if they went around messing about they would do more harm than good.