TrekUnited quits; Enterprise finally dead.

[Praxis]

http://www.trekfansunited.com/forum/ind ... topic=3732

Tim can not get into the chat room. Seems someone has been up to some dirty tricks there. So here is the announcement. Tim can also not log onto the forum for some reason.



Paramount has agreed to do a release on our combined efforts proving that we were involved with these talks, negotiations or whatever you choose to call them. This is supposed to come from Mr. Wentworth’s office. We will see if they stay true to this. I have NO doubts that many of you will contact him. Please feel free to do so.



First, let me start off by saying that the way that most fans have united here is astounding. Most have all pulled together to try and keep Enterprise and Star Trek alive. I would also like to add that I am not sure why some on other forums were so mistrusting of what we as fans we were trying to do. It really saddens me that we could not all pull together in this to try and make a positive impact on the future of Enterprise and Star Trek.



Although non of our members that have contributed to the campaign have complained, most everyone else has. It boggles the mind that people do not have at least some trust in the fellow fans. It does not matter what series you are a fan of. They all push for unity as well as peace and that is not what all of the fans here on the internet have made this about. It has turned into a total concept of who is going to win and who is going to loose.


That has been wrong from the start and should not have come down that way by either side. If you were not happy with the way we were doing things. OFFER suggestions not criticism. Not one of the people putting down our efforts even tried to offer advice or contacted me personally to say “try this” or you might want to run this by your staff.



Here are the facts. We have been in talks with Paramount. We have brought millions and millions to the table to keep the show going. We have had two companies in Canada that were involved in trying to move it to Canada. We also proposed another way of keeping it in the U.S so that no one would have to move. This was all thought out very well in advanced and pushed forward not by just the staff at Trek United but by the other Canadian Companies as well.


We had many people involved in this outside of Trek United. We are NOT producers, directors or know anything about the television business. This is why we got in touch with people who were. We made a proposal to these companies in Canada and they wanted to take it to the next level which was Paramount.



The main problem here seems to be us accepting fan money. This will no longer be an issue. Starting Monday or Tuesday. Andrew our attorney and I will start the forms and refunding all money that our members have contributed to this campaign as per the TOS.



With this being said. The money from the fans was meant to make a point and that is what happened. People stood up and took notice. The media ate it up. Paramount has noticed us to say the least. We have taken this campaign to new heights beyond any other. We let them know that we would not go quietly into the night without speaking our mind.



A lot of our staff and members have taken a lot of abuse from others on forums and various places for standing up for what they believe in and something that they hold dear which is this wonderful world of Star Trek. Most of our members stand for what Star Trek is all about. Unity, peace and working together for a common cause and we did this against incredible odds which to be honest I thought was Paramount. I never dreamed that we would be fighting fans in this battle as well. This is NOT what Star Trek is all about.



For the people that have supported us from the start and for the ones that continue to do so. Please hang tight. You have done everything that you could to try and make this happen. It is plain to see that this is not about money, ratings and or anything else other than politics with UPN and Paramount or somewhere else.



Our final proposal was knocked down by Paramount. We will not see a season five for Star Trek Enterprise. All money as I stated earlier will be refunded starting Monday or Tuesday of this week. We will not allow people bashing our efforts on our own forums. Please keep in mind that our members are fans just like you are. If you feel the need to rejoice over this.. Please direct your email to me. [email protected]



For the members that have supported us Thank you. We are all winners. We had the dream that we could make this happen. Trek United will continue to be here and we will explore new ideas, but the fan donation part if it has made the point we intended it to .



Tim

[Petrosjko]

"It's dead, Jim."

[Robert Walper]

"It's dead, Jim."

"Resistance was futile."

[CDiehl]

I'd like to know what point they think they were making with all this. That there are some very uncritical Star Trek fans out there with money to burn? If so, then they have little to worry about. As long as people like them exist, Viacom will continue to grind out schlock for them to enjoy.

[Bounty]

At least there's another four good episodes coming up.

I'd like to know what point they think they were making with all this.

Trying to save a show that was finally - finally - finding it's feet thanks to a new writing staff and producer.

Why is it so damn hard for some people to understand that there are still Trek fans who just want to see a good Trek series ? Who are pissed when UPN pulls the plug just as they were getting what they wanted ?

[Lord Pounder]

So what happens to all the money they where collecting? Some pasty geek is going to Hawai to become a well tanned geek?

[Lancer]

So what happens to all the money they where collecting? Some pasty geek is going to Hawai to become a well tanned geek?

it's quoted in the OP that they're refunding the money.

[Ra]

You hear that, Enterprise? That is the sound... of inevitability. That is the sound of your death...
- Agent Ra

[Crossroads Inc.]

Everything is proceeding as I have Forseen...

[Petrosjko]

"Let it all end in fire."

[CDiehl]

Trying to save a show that was finally - finally - finding it's feet thanks to a new writing staff and producer.

Too little, way too late. Why didn't they hire good writers and write good episodes right off the bat, instead of waiting three seasons to do their job?

Why is it so damn hard for some people to understand that there are still Trek fans who just want to see a good Trek series ? Who are pissed when UPN pulls the plug just as they were getting what they wanted ?

Well, maybe you should have spoken up back in 2001, when it still had an audience. All you look like now is what I said before, a bunch of uncritical fans with money to burn. You've ensured that another Star Trek series will be made and will suck too, because they don't have to make it good to keep you watching.

[JME2]

"Your time is over! The Warsises control sci-fit now and forever!!

[Soulman]

Too little, way too late. Why didn't they hire good writers and write good episodes right off the bat, instead of waiting three seasons to do their job?

Well, maybe you should have spoken up back in 2001, when it still had an audience. All you look like now is what I said before, a bunch of uncritical fans with money to burn. You've ensured that another Star Trek series will be made and will suck too, because they don't have to make it good to keep you watching.

I don't get it either. Why do Star Trek series start off crap whilst Neo-BSG and Firefly hit the ground running? The incompetence at Paramount is astounding. The thing is they could have doubled their audience by hiring a couple of good writers and producers instead of crap ones and spend no more money at all doing it.

[Bounty]

Too little, way too late. Why didn't they hire good writers and write good episodes right off the bat, instead of waiting three seasons to do their job?

How the fuck should I know ? Because they though brand loyalty was enough to keep people watching ?

Well, maybe you should have spoken up back in 2001, when it still had an audience. All you look like now is what I said before, a bunch of uncritical fans with money to burn. You've ensured that another Star Trek series will be made and will suck too, because they don't have to make it good to keep you watching.

What's with the "you" ? There's more then one kind of Trek fan, you know, and most of them *do* know crappy sci-fi when they see it. Or did you miss the outrage over ENT's craptitude that started basically right after the pilot ?

The thing is they could have doubled their audience by hiring a couple of good writers and producers instead of crap ones and spend no more money at all doing it.

Too little, too late. They should've gotten an all-new staff during even before Voyager.

[Burak Gazan]

"another 4 good episodes" ?

I presume you are discounting the just aired infantile-hormone wank that even some of the positive Trek sites are calling an utter pile of shit?



Jammer's Review: Bound

and

Trek Nation


When even Coto comes up with crapola like this, its time to press the button labeled "delete"

[Bounty]

"another 4 good episodes" ?

I presume you are discounting the just aired infantile-hormone wank that even some of the positive Trek sites are calling an utter pile of shit?

I'm not counting the finale, which is - literally - a TNG episode.

And I liked Bound. Sure, it was just an excuse to show half-naked girls, but it was done with a sense of humour and the whole Trip/T'pol thing is *finally* going somewhere.

Not that I'm going to convince anyone on this board

[Burak Gazan]

It's not a matter of convincing , Bounty -- the reason trek gets hammered so hard here is because most of the board members ARE fans of ST, but not FANATICS --- which means, tending to be critical of blown opportunites, bad premises, utter disregard for continuity -- the B+B factor alone would fill volumes

But here is where trek is now, and its time for a hiatus -- preferably until B+B are long gone, or at least until there is no possibility of them having the remotest involvement with any successors.

[Bounty]

It's not a matter of convincing , Bounty -- the reason trek gets hammered so hard here is because most of the board members ARE fans of ST, but not FANATICS --- which means, tending to be critical of blown opportunites, bad premises, utter disregard for continuity -- the B+B factor alone would fill volumes

I couldn't agree more. (I was actually referring to the episode specifically, not to Trek as a whole)

But here is where trek is now, and its time for a hiatus -- preferably until B+B are long gone, or at least until there is no possibility of them having the remotest involvement with any successors.

Indeed.

[Crossroads Inc.]

IO have always wanted to know why it seems it takes every Trek Series X-years before the Story starts to 'get good'

Seriously, I know of know other Sci-Fi show or franchise where you did not know right away that something was either good or bad. For me, Enterprise didn't have ANY real worth while shows until after the whole stupid thing with the 'Temporal Cold War' and that was more then half the show.

[CDiehl]

Because they though brand loyalty was enough to keep people watching ?

Since you kept watching, and these people raised a few million bucks to keep it on the air, you've just confirmed that theory. As a result, in a few years, Viacom will slap on another crappy ST series on the air, which uncritical, wishful-thinking Trekkies will watch it no matter how bad it is, and maybe hold another fundraiser when it gets cancelled.

What's with the "you" ?

I mean you and everyone else who, in spite of saying Enterprise is crap, continued to watch every week. I mean everyone who rewarded the producers for making crap by making that crap profitable.

Or did you miss the outrage over ENT's craptitude that started basically right after the pilot ?

And yet, despite said craptitude, you kept watching, and rewarded that same craptitude in the only way TV people respond to. Saying "it sucks" doesn't get results. Not watching what sucks does.

[Firefox]

And there was much rejoicing.

[Bounty]

IO have always wanted to know why it seems it takes every Trek Series X-years before the Story starts to 'get good'

-TOS was good from year one
-TNG suffered from recycled Phase II plots, Roddenberry's influence, writer's strikes and a too-eighties-ish style, it took three years to find it's own identity
-DS9 took off once people realised that you can't make a series that focuses *just* on the station, once they brought in the Defiant and the Dominion it got better
-VOY was never good
-ENT needed to get rid of B&B before it got better

[Patrick Degan]

Why is it so damn hard for some people to understand that there are still Trek fans who just want to see a good Trek series ?

Funny, many of us who have seen Boobyprise for the unmitigated disaster it was have wondered the same thing.

[Chmee]

Watching Bound I could only think of Dan Akroyd as Leonard Pinth-Garnell on SNL's "Bad Theater" ......

"There now ... that wasn't so good, now was it?"

If that was the last Enterprise episode, they could say that the series went out not wiith a bang, but with a slave-girl moan .....

SG-1 did the whole 'them pheromones be makin' the men-folk crazy' episode so much better with Hathor ... and that was in SG-1's Season One, yet another show that managed to hit the ground running at close to full speed and not stagger along for years before finding its feet.

[Lancer]

"Your time is over! The Warsises control sci-fit now and forever!!

Stargate and BSG are still running strong (despite that BSG hasn't even gone into 2nd season yet).