+Spoilers Enterprise Dark Mirror to Air April Fools Day+++

Tommy J · Post by **Tommy J** » 2005-01-11 10:53am

On April Fools Day, Enterprise is going to do something different.

Supposidly they've decided on a script for the Dark Mirror Episode.

Some highlights from one scene:

*Will occur during Zephrem Cochran's time but instead of peacefully meeting the Vulcans they plunder the ship instead

*The outside crowd cheers Chochran on as he completely takes everything.

*Cochran shoots the Vulcan dead.

*James Cromwell to reprise his role as an evil Cochran

*Opening sequence to be completely different than now

I like it and it's creative. Also appropriate for April Fools Day.

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2005-01-11 11:17am

Oh please let this be true! I love seeing evil Trek portrayal.

Bellator · Post by **Bellator** » 2005-01-11 11:39am

this obviously is a April Fools joke. Every year there are shows or movies or games supposedly planned for April Fools day and when the day comes they laugh in your faces for believing them.

Lord MJ · Post by **Lord MJ** » 2005-01-11 01:20pm

A nitpick, but I thought that humans and vulcans were allies in the evil Mirror universe.

Hence mirror Spock as #2 on the I.S.S. Enterprise.

Bellator · Post by **Bellator** » 2005-01-11 01:35pm

were they really allies, or where the Vulcans simply subjugated with Vulcan being another province in the Terran Empire?

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-01-11 01:48pm

He could have fought and backstabbed his way to the top.

Lancer · Post by **Lancer** » 2005-01-11 02:54pm

VT-16 wrote:He could have fought and backstabbed his way to the top.

that's the only way to rise to power in the Mirror Universe. Tiberius assassinated Pike to take command.

Bellator · Post by **Bellator** » 2005-01-11 03:18pm

Spock was in a posistion of great authority, and after Mirror, Mirror, rose to absolute power. It seems unlikly to me that they would let subjugated people into that kind of authority.

same with Thrawn in SW. Non-humans were severely discriminated against and even forced into slavery, yet Thrawn rose to admirality and eventually became the sole leader of the remnants of the Empire.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2005-01-11 04:12pm

And the Vulcans didn't curbstomp the violent primitives because...? Remember, according to ENT, the Vulcans of this time are, at best, cunning pragmatists, and at worst actively evil.

Mutant Headcrab · Post by **Mutant Headcrab** » 2005-01-11 06:27pm

RedImperator wrote:And the Vulcans didn't curbstomp the violent primitives because...? Remember, according to ENT, the Vulcans of this time are, at best, cunning pragmatists, and at worst actively evil.

They probably didn't get a chance to get a message off.

Oberleutnant · Post by **Oberleutnant** » 2005-01-11 07:31pm

RedImperator wrote:And the Vulcans didn't curbstomp the violent primitives because...? Remember, according to ENT, the Vulcans of this time are, at best, cunning pragmatists, and at worst actively evil.

Have you seen the Vulcan Arc? It does a fairly good job explaining why ENT Vulcans are what they are -- or were until the dissolution of the High Command.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2005-01-11 07:55pm

Bellator wrote:
Spock was in a posistion of great authority, and after Mirror, Mirror, rose to absolute power. It seems unlikly to me that they would let subjugated people into that kind of authority.
same with Thrawn in SW. Non-humans were severely discriminated against and even forced into slavery, yet Thrawn rose to admirality and eventually became the sole leader of the remnants of the Empire.

More recent example, mirror Kira was a dominatrix bitch queen, while actually the Bajorians were conquered by the Cardassians, or something.

FedRebel · Post by **FedRebel** » 2005-01-11 08:28pm

Actually Bajor wanted to join the Cardassian-Klingon Alliance because Bajor was occupied by the Terran Empire

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2005-01-11 09:22pm

Slartibartfast wrote:
Bellator wrote:
Spock was in a posistion of great authority, and after Mirror, Mirror, rose to absolute power. It seems unlikly to me that they would let subjugated people into that kind of authority.
same with Thrawn in SW. Non-humans were severely discriminated against and even forced into slavery, yet Thrawn rose to admirality and eventually became the sole leader of the remnants of the Empire.
More recent example, mirror Kira was a dominatrix bitch queen, while actually the Bajorians were conquered by the Cardassians, or something.

Not precisely. Mirror-Kira was a bisexual dominatrix bitch-queen. Never gloss over the details.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2005-01-11 10:24pm

Patrick Degan wrote:Not precisely. Mirror-Kira was a bisexual dominatrix bitch-queen. Never gloss over the details.

Damn! I was so going to put bisexual there (or lesbian, at least) but changed my mind in the last second before pressing post

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2005-01-11 11:35pm

Destructionator XIII wrote:Spock was in a posistion of great authority, and after Mirror, Mirror, rose to absolute power. It seems unlikly to me that they would let subjugated people into that kind of authority.

He was half human too, so its possible that in the mirror universe, mom was a high ranking or princess type chick who paid good money to be pleasured by the brute Vulcan slaves.

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2005-01-12 02:27pm

You guys don't sound properly apalled. *sniffs haughtily*

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2005-01-12 03:17pm

Eleas wrote:You guys don't sound properly apalled. *sniffs haughtily*

This is Enterprise, I lost the ability to be appalled after the 3rd episode of it.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2005-01-12 03:19pm

Bellator wrote:
Spock was in a posistion of great authority, and after Mirror, Mirror, rose to absolute power. It seems unlikly to me that they would let subjugated people into that kind of authority.
same with Thrawn in SW. Non-humans were severely discriminated against and even forced into slavery, yet Thrawn rose to admirality and eventually became the sole leader of the remnants of the Empire.

Spock was not the only Vulcan in Starfleet. His personal goons were Vulcans in Starfleet uniforms. However brutal the humans in the Terran Empire are, for some reason they're not oppressing the Vulcans. There's no reason why, given a few tweaks to history, the Vulcans couldn't have decided it's logical to be equal partners in a tyrannical empire. Keep in mind, there's no evidence from "Mirror Mirror" that humans are racist--they treat each other as badly as they do anyone else, and nobody slurs Spock behind his back.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2005-01-12 03:22pm

RedImperator wrote: Keep in mind, there's no evidence from "Mirror Mirror" that humans are racist--they treat each other as badly as they do anyone else, and nobody slurs Spock behind his back.

In fact Vulcans are feared and respected as Spock in one of his threats to Kirk that "I should remind you that my death will be avenged and some of my operatives are Vulcan." Sounds to me like that was supposed to indicate an extra sort of fear in regard to the identity of the agents as Vulcans.

When you think about it, Vulcans are 5X as strong as a human, smarter and with psi abilities? Makes you wonder why humans are on top in the Mirrror Mirror universe in the first place.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2005-01-12 03:33pm

Well, if the mirror Vulcan are anything like the regular ones, it's because Humans are just a hell of a lot better at this war stuff.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2005-01-12 03:41pm

Stormbringer wrote:Well, if the mirror Vulcan are anything like the regular ones, it's because Humans are just a hell of a lot better at this war stuff.

We're also making the assumption that these Vulcans follow the teachings of Surak. It would make more sense if they were like the Romulans and had evolved from their war like ancestry. Spock did state several times throughout the series that Vulcans were even nastier and more brutal than humans were before Surak. Unfortunately I think Mirror Spock made a few references to logic so more likely than not these are post Surak Vulcans.

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2005-01-12 03:56pm

Lord Pounder wrote:
Eleas wrote:You guys don't sound properly apalled. *sniffs haughtily*
This is Enterprise, I lost the ability to be appalled after the 3rd episode of it.

I was referring to the sexually promiscous behaviour of Mirror Universe dominatrixes. I.e. the important stuff.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2005-01-12 04:07pm

Stravo wrote:When you think about it, Vulcans are 5X as strong as a human, smarter and with psi abilities? Makes you wonder why humans are on top in the Mirrror Mirror universe in the first place.

I don't mean to Strawman here, but following that line of thought the Romulans should have absolutely cowerd the Federation in the 'real' universe ...

Unless I'm missing something (which is very likely since I don't watch a lot of Trek) ...

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2005-01-12 04:19pm

Crown wrote:
Stravo wrote:When you think about it, Vulcans are 5X as strong as a human, smarter and with psi abilities? Makes you wonder why humans are on top in the Mirrror Mirror universe in the first place.
I don't mean to Strawman here, but following that line of thought the Romulans should have absolutely cowerd the Federation in the 'real' universe ...

Unless I'm missing something (which is very likely since I don't watch a lot of Trek) ...

Its a good question and one that I can try to answer by deduction. We saw the pride of the praetor's fleet in Balance of Terror. It was a rinky dink little ship akin to a patrol boat. Its main weapon was all it had and a cloak. Her main powersource was Impulse. The Enterprise was infintely more complex, expensive and mission flexible. She may not have had the ultimate firepower that the plasma torp represented but she had phasers and photon torpedoes - and there were much more of her. We saw no evidence of any other weapon on the Bird of Prey nor that they had many in their arsenal. More likely than not she was a test bed for their new military tech.

This leads me to believe that the Romulans are essentially a poor people. They're eking out their existence on a poor stretch of space and they're not as rich as their Federation neighbors, not as numerous or militariily powerful as her Klingon neighbors so they focus on being sneaky. You never know where the Romulans are going to be. Plus they build up this reputation as nasty fuckers to help deter people from invading.

Even in TNG verse all they have are those big ass warbirds which are proved to be not as powerful as they first seemed in the Dominion War. Also in the TNG verse we get to visit the homeworld and its pretty drab and gray, sort of liek Communist China which is the analogy in my head whenever I think of the Romulans.

Also the Romulans lack the psi potential of their Vulcan cousins and they're not as strong or hardy as Vulcan is a much tougher environment than Romulus.

A comibination of this plus a strange propensity for long periods of introspection (the Earth Romulan War all the way to Balance of Terror followed by another period from sometime in the late TOS era to the TNG Episode The Neutral Zone) leads to a xenophobic and strangely backwards culture thats probably not as aggressive or warlike as the true Vulcans were before Surak.