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The Borg queen

Posted: 2005-01-06 11:02am
by Sarevok
If the Borg queen was killed in First Contact how come she is back in Voyager ?

Re: The Borg queen

Posted: 2005-01-06 11:06am
by Robert Walper
The Shadow wrote:If the Borg queen was killed in First Contact how come she is back in Voyager ?
She's artificially constructed. Like Picard, her form was assimilated from a prior species. In her case, Species 125.

The Borg Queen is a compact, mobile version of the Borg Vinculum with personality. Every Borg vessel has a Vinculum. Borg Queens are for specialized purposes.

Posted: 2005-01-06 12:11pm
by Pastor Andy
What exactly is a "vinculum"? I'm not familiar with that term. Thanx!

Posted: 2005-01-06 12:52pm
by Robert Walper
Pastor Andy wrote:What exactly is a "vinculum"? I'm not familiar with that term. Thanx!
Here's a couple of links with basic descriptions: Link 1 Link 2

One of these devices was found by Voyager in a Borg debris field (ref STVOY "Infinite Regress"). According to Seven of Nine, every Borg vessel is equipped with one. It "brings order to chaos" (how the Queen described her function). Seven elaborated further by telling the Voyager crew the device was responsible for purging "irrelevent thoughts and data", only retaining and utilizing that which is useful to the Collective.

Re: The Borg queen

Posted: 2005-01-06 02:00pm
by Tommy J
The Shadow wrote:If the Borg queen was killed in First Contact how come she is back in Voyager ?
To build on what's already been said, she tells Picard in First Contact not to think one dimensionally. In other words, they can transfer her personality into any Drone.

Perhaps the bigger question is why was species 125 selected to always assume the form of the Borg Queen

Re: The Borg queen

Posted: 2005-01-06 02:09pm
by Robert Walper
Tommy J wrote: Perhaps the bigger question is why was species 125 selected to always assume the form of the Borg Queen
You misunderstand. A member of Species 125 became a template for the Borg Queen, not a matter of Species 125 specifically being used as Borg Queen sources. Picard was being prepared in a similar manner, but humans are by no means a species the Borg acquire for the sole purpose of humanoid Borg Vinculums.

Re: The Borg queen

Posted: 2005-01-06 02:24pm
by Tommy J
Robert Walper wrote:
Tommy J wrote: Perhaps the bigger question is why was species 125 selected to always assume the form of the Borg Queen
You misunderstand. A member of Species 125 became a template for the Borg Queen, not a matter of Species 125 specifically being used as Borg Queen sources. Picard was being prepared in a similar manner, but humans are by no means a species the Borg acquire for the sole purpose of humanoid Borg Vinculums.
Then why is her appearance similar in First Contact, to Voyager. Perhaps they clone the Queen based onthe template?

Re: The Borg queen

Posted: 2005-01-06 02:26pm
by Robert Walper
Tommy J wrote:
Robert Walper wrote: You misunderstand. A member of Species 125 became a template for the Borg Queen, not a matter of Species 125 specifically being used as Borg Queen sources. Picard was being prepared in a similar manner, but humans are by no means a species the Borg acquire for the sole purpose of humanoid Borg Vinculums.
Then why is her appearance similar in First Contact, to Voyager. Perhaps they clone the Queen based onthe template?
Exactly. If you watched Star Trek: First Contact and STVOY "Dark Frontier", you see that the Borg Queen is physically assembled, not assimilated.

Re: The Borg queen

Posted: 2005-01-06 02:57pm
by Tommy J
Robert Walper wrote:
Tommy J wrote:
Robert Walper wrote: You misunderstand. A member of Species 125 became a template for the Borg Queen, not a matter of Species 125 specifically being used as Borg Queen sources. Picard was being prepared in a similar manner, but humans are by no means a species the Borg acquire for the sole purpose of humanoid Borg Vinculums.
Then why is her appearance similar in First Contact, to Voyager. Perhaps they clone the Queen based onthe template?
Exactly. If you watched Star Trek: First Contact and STVOY "Dark Frontier", you see that the Borg Queen is physically assembled, not assimilated.
It still begs the question, why is that species the template?

Posted: 2005-01-06 03:47pm
by Ma Deuce
It still begs the question, why is that species the template?
Perhaps that species' biology is best suited to the extreme...umm modification that entails becomming a Borg queen: while the basic anatomy of the average drone is left more or less intact after assimilaton (body parts like eyes and limbs are sometimes removed in favor of prosthetic parts, but none of these parts are actually vital to the body's survival), meanwhile the Queen is almost entirely artificial. Maybe Species 125 was the only species the Borg assimilated whose biological tissue can survive with so much of the original body removed?

Posted: 2005-01-06 05:38pm
by RedImperator
I always thought the Queen was something an avatar for the collective. She's both more and less alive than an individual drone--she acts like she has a personality because the collective, as a whole, has a personality, but unlike a drone, she doesn't even have a spark of suppressed individual identity, since she was constructed expressly to be an avatar. This makes her different from Locutus, an individual assimiliated and given a distinct role within the collective for a special, one-time purpose.

Nice theory, I think. Too bad Voyager fucks it all up.