He sounded genuinely pissed, and having read his earlier comments about the Season 3 ender (on his "Season 3, part 2, bottom of page), I am not too surprised.
Sounds as if "Patterns Of Force" is Emmy-material by comparison.
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It wasn't that bad, if you didn't think about it, but it felt like I'd seen it before... ; p
One small bit I enjoyed: it was cool to see Jerec again (as a Nazi), but unfortunately, he didn't get to really do anything except act as a whipping boy for this "Vosk" guy.
So the Temporal Cold War comes to an end just like that. A non-realized story-arc that wasn't, and we never find out who "Future Guy" was.
The Shadow wrote:I have said it and will say it again. Enough time travell stuff, do the Earth Romulan war instead.
Given the total fuckup of the story arc they "planned", do you really want this clown-crew tackling the Earth/Romulan War?
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Kurgan wrote:Is this his lowest rating for a Trek episode yet?
He's actually given several episodes a zero rating.
TOS:
"The Alternative Factor"
"Patters of Force"
"The Omega Glory"
TNG:
"Silicon Avatar"
DS9:
"Meridian"
"Profit and Lace"
VOY:
"11:59"
ENT:
"A Night in Sickbay"
"Harbinger"
"Doctor's Orders"
And now "Storm Front"
My mistake. Thanks for the correction. ; )
This episode ends with them returning to Earth, but we assume the "timeline" is still linear (ie: they're back where they were after the Xindi weapon was destroyed). Still, it leaves things "open" for the writers to start over or go anywhere from this point.
BUT, they won't because we already have seen that they have the next five or so eps mapped out (with many familiar sounding plots from past Treks). Oh well...
Kurgan wrote:
So the Temporal Cold War comes to an end just like that. A non-realized story-arc that wasn't, and we never find out who "Future Guy" was.
Stupid.
WHAT??? You're motherf--king kidding me, right?
NO ENDING???
Your average highschool kid could watch the first 2 seasons and then--with no time to prepare--come up with a better ending and a cooler explanation than that. And a HS kid would know that he's have to come up with something so as not to cheat the audience while still having fun.
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Kurgan wrote:
So the Temporal Cold War comes to an end just like that. A non-realized story-arc that wasn't, and we never find out who "Future Guy" was.
Stupid.
WHAT??? You're motherf--king kidding me, right?
NO ENDING???
Your average highschool kid could watch the first 2 seasons and then--with no time to prepare--come up with a better ending and a cooler explanation than that. And a HS kid would know that he's have to come up with something so as not to cheat the audience while still having fun.
Darth Wong wrote:I still can't believe there are people out there who actually watch this show and then act surprised when it's shit.
Their loyalty is what blinds them to the truth. In my case, I don't support the series not because I hate Star Trek, but because I love it; I just hate the direction that the producers have taken the franchise.
In all fairness, people may have been expecting improvements since Braga had given way to Coto. Of course, the same people expected improvements from John Logan, and we all know how that ended!
Why is the average rating for Voyager episodes higher than those for TOS episodes? Why the hell are the likes of Star Trek: TMP, Generations, and Insurrection rated higher than Wrath of Khan and The Undiscovered Country? Does this guy have even a tenuous grip on reality?
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Since we're on the topic of Star Trek movies... I liked ST:5. I know a lot of people don't, including Bernd. Make your case, because unless you're a fanwhore and don't like seeing the Enterprise taken over by moisture farmers, I see a lot of good ideas in ST:5 -- religion is something Trek doesn't deal with nearly enough. Plus the overall moral of the story -- the Sybok shouldn't have went crazy and believed every fancy that came up to his mind moral (someone reword this).
Darth Wong wrote:I still can't believe there are people out there who actually watch this show and then act surprised when it's shit.
I don't watch it. I tried in the first season and just couldn't stop yelling at the tv (except at the ep Shuttle One--that was fairly decent) and eventually quit watching it. I still check out Firsttvdrama-dot-com, but have no other interest in Ent except to hope that somehow there is a rebirth of good Star Trek.
However, just as a reader of stories, watcher of TV, and amateur writer, I am shocked and morally disgusted by the lack of resolution. Even fucking Survivor has some sort of closure.
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"Like...are we canonical?" --Aaron Dembski-Bowden to Dan Abnett
brianeyci wrote:Since we're on the topic of Star Trek movies... I liked ST:5. I know a lot of people don't, including Bernd. Make your case, because unless you're a fanwhore and don't like seeing the Enterprise taken over by moisture farmers, I see a lot of good ideas in ST:5 -- religion is something Trek doesn't deal with nearly enough. Plus the overall moral of the story -- the Sybok shouldn't have went crazy and believed every fancy that came up to his mind moral (someone reword this).
Five had some funny lines in it. That's about all the positive things I can say about that movie.
As for Enterprise, I stopped watching after the pilot where they fucked up Klingon first contact (which wound up being a violent battle, as I recall). And the whole temporal cold war thing was bullshit; I don't want to watch a show that's supposed to be set in Trek's past and see the fucking Enterprise-J and time-travelling alien space Nazis.
I feel sorry for Scott Bakula.
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Arthur_Tuxedo wrote:The ratings this guy gives are completely insane.
Why is the average rating for Voyager episodes higher than those for TOS episodes? Why the hell are the likes of Star Trek: TMP, Generations, and Insurrection rated higher than Wrath of Khan and The Undiscovered Country? Does this guy have even a tenuous grip on reality?
Or maybe he's just not afriad to have his own opinions on things.
Darth Wong wrote:I still can't believe there are people out there who actually watch this show and then act surprised when it's shit.
It's not that, it's that we're surprised it continues to lower our already rock bottom expectations. It's amazing it can get any worse... plus when for awhile they make you think for a second they might have a good idea for once.
I guess I watch the show out of curiosity, rather than as Richard Whettstone does, to bash it any way he can (which is fine by me, since it deserves it). I actually thought it was okay in season 1, minus a few gripes with TOS continuity and another Seven of Nine "bimbo" character. Once we got to "Dear Doctor" I started bashing it with everyone else. Season 3 had more promise, but oh well.
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Arthur_Tuxedo wrote:The ratings this guy gives are completely insane.
Why is the average rating for Voyager episodes higher than those for TOS episodes? Why the hell are the likes of Star Trek: TMP, Generations, and Insurrection rated higher than Wrath of Khan and The Undiscovered Country? Does this guy have even a tenuous grip on reality?
This guy has a unique perspective on the series. He believes that the "peaceful Federation" of TNG is closer to Roddenberry's vision and therefore better. He hates violence (especially fisticuffs) in episodes, meaning most of TOS is going to be less on his list than the ones where Picard finds a diplomatic solution. He also balks at the "attempts at sexiness" in the Enterprise series.
He doesn't like the "anti-religion" thing very much, or the "earth culture is central" thing (which he calls rather a 20th century American-centric ethnic of the future), and he is offended by "space nazis" (as one of German ancestry). So that colors his reviews.
