Klingon vs Vulcan

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-10-09 02:58am

A Vulcan and a Klingon face off in unarmed combat. Both are strong and well trained. The fight takes place on the planet where Kirk fought the Gorn alien. Who wins ?

Post by **Gandalf** » 2004-10-09 05:50am

I would say the Vulcan.

The strength and discipline would help them win out. Plus it'd be easy for them to make the artillery Kirk did.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-10-09 11:18am

I dunno. The Klingon would have more martial training, but the Vulcan would be more disciplined. Tough match.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2004-10-09 11:21am

Does the Vulcan nerve pinch work on klingons?

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2004-10-09 12:40pm

Anyone recall what happened to the Klingon that tried to take on the youth Spock in Star Trek III?

The Silence and I · Post by **The Silence and I** » 2004-10-09 03:18pm

Aye, I was thinking that too

An angry Vulcan would win--no question about it. An in-control Vulcan, would still probably win.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2004-10-09 10:33pm

Praxis wrote:I dunno. The Klingon would have more martial training, but the Vulcan would be more disciplined. Tough match.

How often do we see Klingons show any sort of martial arts aside from just; Hit the guy, wait a second. Hit again.

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman · Post by **Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman** » 2004-10-10 01:33pm

Anyone remember the "Pon-Farr" episodes in VOY? IIRC they were about equal (the Vulcan was *really* horny, by the way).

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2004-10-10 02:57pm

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman wrote:Anyone remember the "Pon-Farr" episodes in VOY? IIRC they were about equal (the Vulcan was *really* horny, by the way).

Which means all the blood was not going to his important muscles in a combat situation.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2004-10-10 03:02pm

Klingons have never exhibited strength superior to humans, especially during a fight. However, you need several people to take down a vulcan.

Dark Primus · Post by **Dark Primus** » 2004-10-11 07:11pm

Din't Sybock, Spocks half brother toss Kirk back and forth when they were fighting over a weapon in ST 5?

Post by **Gandalf** » 2004-10-11 08:00pm

Take Me Out To The Holosuite shows some goodness in Vulcans vs others. Sisko and Jake had been playing baseball for ages. A Vulcan team tore through them like a kleenex at a snot party.

I've finally been able to cite that episode for something...

Gustav32Vasa · Post by **Gustav32Vasa** » 2004-10-11 08:58pm

Gandalf wrote:Take Me Out To The Holosuite shows some goodness in Vulcans vs others. Sisko and Jake had been playing baseball for ages. A Vulcan team tore through them like a kleenex at a snot party.

More like Garfield on a lasagne.

THEHOOLIGANJEDI · Post by **THEHOOLIGANJEDI** » 2004-10-11 10:44pm

Lord Poe wrote:Klingons have never exhibited strength superior to humans, especially during a fight. However, you need several people to take down a vulcan.

Well what about Kirks Fight with Captain Krudge. Kirk at best was holding his own in that one.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2004-10-11 11:13pm

Klingons appear to be moderately stronger then humans, but their strength is typicaly undisciplined. This means that humans with training can take down a Klingon. Worf appears to have cultivated his strength more then most Klingons and was able to fight off multiple opponents from time to time.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2004-10-12 01:09am

Alyeska wrote:Klingons appear to be moderately stronger then humans, but their strength is typicaly undisciplined. This means that humans with training can take down a Klingon. Worf appears to have cultivated his strength more then most Klingons and was able to fight off multiple opponents from time to time.

As Riker did, easly I might add, aboard the Pagh

The Silence and I · Post by **The Silence and I** » 2004-10-12 04:07am

Klingons are certainly physically tougher than humans, with redundant systems and stronger bones. They have the potential to surpass the strongest of humans, as their skeleton offers greater support for muscle attachment points--however they are not born stronger per say, such strength seems to need developing, and your average Klingon grunt has not done so. For example we have un-impressive Klingons, but we also have Worf, who has lifted and thrown a man one-handed, and Krudge, a small statured, slim (i.e. not buff) Klingon, lifting the not so slim Kirk. Klingons are capable of great strength, particularly a great strength to cross-section ratio; the strongest ones are lean!

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2004-10-12 05:00am

THEHOOLIGANJEDI wrote:
Lord Poe wrote:Klingons have never exhibited strength superior to humans, especially during a fight. However, you need several people to take down a vulcan.
Well what about Kirks Fight with Captain Krudge. Kirk at best was holding his own in that one.

Kirk was 20 years older than he was in TOS at that time, too. And in TOS, he kicked the shit out of Klingons. And do I have to bring up Major Kira wiping the floor with ARMED Klingons in WotW?

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2004-10-12 05:03am

I wouldn't tout Worf's abilities. He was taken down by two Ferengi in TNG.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-10-12 08:28am

Lord Poe wrote:I wouldn't tout Worf's abilities. He was taken down by two Ferengi in TNG.

Dont underestimate the Ferengi, 7 of them took over the Enterprise in Rascals...

On a more serious note Klingons are somewhat overrated.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2004-10-12 05:42pm

Lord Poe wrote:I wouldn't tout Worf's abilities. He was taken down by two Ferengi in TNG.

Ferengi are suppose to be stronger than humans so this isn't surprising.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2004-10-12 05:49pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Lord Poe wrote:I wouldn't tout Worf's abilities. He was taken down by two Ferengi in TNG.
Ferengi are suppose to be stronger than humans so this isn't surprising.

Well, think about it. The Ferengi are short and stout, so their muscle mass is more compact. It would naturally give them greater strength in proportion to their size.

THEHOOLIGANJEDI · Post by **THEHOOLIGANJEDI** » 2004-10-12 06:33pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Lord Poe wrote:I wouldn't tout Worf's abilities. He was taken down by two Ferengi in TNG.
Ferengi are suppose to be stronger than humans so this isn't surprising.

I thought that Ferengi were actually weaker than Humans.

The Silence and I · Post by **The Silence and I** » 2004-10-12 09:10pm

Nope, the real Ferengi, the ones in TNG anyway, were described as much stronger than they look. One decked Riker very, very handily, for example, and two of them knocked over Data, though we don't get to see him kick their butts afterwards

ArmorPierce · Post by **ArmorPierce** » 2004-10-12 09:50pm

In Star Trek, it seems like there is no race that's more rail than humans.