First contact

[dragon]

Ok did a search didn't see anything so if theres a thread please point me in the right direction.
I was talking with some friends about star trek FC and wee started dicussing a few things. I can't find my copy of the movie so here goes.

1. When the Cochran ships launchs and they say approaching light speed theres a counter on the screen how fast does it say they are going and how fast are they accelerating.

2. Second why do you think the borg ship didn't just destory the whole camp with a torp. Considering one of our fighters now aday could blew up that entire camp by itself.

3. In several fight with the borg data holds his own yet in the movie in stead of grabing hold of some thing he calls out, like thats going to do any good, when they pull him under the door. We know he can react faster than that.
There was a couple of other questions we had but thats good to start.

[Bob the Gunslinger]

1. I don't know.
2. Bad writing.
3. Bad writing.

[dragon]

Lol good answers. 2 and 3 sums up most of star trek

[Robert Walper]

1. When the Cochran ships launchs and they say approaching light speed theres a counter on the screen how fast does it say they are going and how fast are they accelerating.

I have the DVD, I'll try looking that up when I get some free time.

2. Second why do you think the borg ship didn't just destory the whole camp with a torp. Considering one of our fighters now aday could blew up that entire camp by itself.

Diversionary tactic. Distract the E-E crew with a time consuming objective that isn't beyond hope of salvage. Meanwhile, Borg forces begin assimilating the E-E. All this "stopping First Contact" nonsense was of no concern to the Borg. Only the E-E crew was worried about that, and of course they would be, it's their history. Picard clarified the Borg's objectives later on by stating "First they'll assimilate the Enterprise, then Earth." Nuking the missile silo site wouldn't have accomplished anything for the Borg. If anything, that could've backfired with the E-E trying another time jump to prevent that from happening, thus making the entire plan extremely complicated.

3. In several fight with the borg data holds his own yet in the movie in stead of grabing hold of some thing he calls out, like thats going to do any good, when they pull him under the door. We know he can react faster than that.

Data's not infalliable. And obviously drones possess enough strength to capture and restrain him.

[El Moose Monstero]

1. When the Cochran ships launchs and they say approaching light speed theres a counter on the screen how fast does it say they are going and how fast are they accelerating.

I have the DVD, I'll try looking that up when I get some free time.

2. Second why do you think the borg ship didn't just destory the whole camp with a torp. Considering one of our fighters now aday could blew up that entire camp by itself.

Diversionary tactic. Distract the E-E crew with a time consuming objective that isn't beyond hope of salvage. Meanwhile, Borg forces begin assimilating the E-E. All this "stopping First Contact" nonsense was of no concern to the Borg. Only the E-E crew was worried about that, and of course they would be, it's their history. Picard clarified the Borg's objectives later on by stating "First they'll assimilate the Enterprise, then Earth." Nuking the missile silo site wouldn't have accomplished anything for the Borg. If anything, that could've backfired with the E-E trying another time jump to prevent that from happening, thus making the entire plan extremely complicated.

If those were particle weapon bolts rather than torpedoes, could another possible explanation be that the sphere was suffering from a power failure or power loss? Possibily as a result of the vortex generation, the escape from the expoding cube and the loss of systems from the time travel itself. With not enough power to the SIF, it might explain why 2 quantum torpedoes shattered the ship, and if there wasnt enough power to put much through the weapon systems, then it might also explain why they didnt obliterate the silo.

EDIT: Re post below: If it was 4 torps, then I dont know how much that changes things, 2 sounded far too little and the explosion to me always looked like something inside had blown apart in a major way - reactor failure or something.

[Gustav32Vasa]

it might explain why 2 quantum torpedoes shattered the ship, and if there wasnt enough power to put much through the weapon systems, then it might also explain why they didnt obliterate the silo.

Nitpick, but I think it was 4 quantums.

[Robert Walper]

If those were particle weapon bolts rather than torpedoes, could another possible explanation be that the sphere was suffering from a power failure or power loss?

Considering a functional Borg sphere can easily enough handle the firepower of a Federation fleet consisting of some thirty starships, I'd say that's a given.

Possibily as a result of the vortex generation, the escape from the expoding cube and the loss of systems from the time travel itself.

*nods* These are all theories I've submitted before myself.

With not enough power to the SIF, it might explain why 2 quantum torpedoes

Four.

shattered the ship, and if there wasnt enough power to put much through the weapon systems, then it might also explain why they didnt obliterate the silo.

I think that theory has validity, as I'm fairly certain it's established Trek starships do possess projectile-like weapons that are just energy blasts.

I continue to submit though; assuming they wanted to obliterate the silo. Remember, my theory suggests the attack on the missile silo was a diversionary tactic, not a primary objective. The Borg's primary objectives are known, assimilation of the E-E and then Earth.

[El Moose Monstero]

I thought there was a size difference between the sphere seen in Endgame and in Voyager as a rule and the sphere seen in FC? Or was that just for that one sphere they got the transwarp coil or whatever from?

[Robert Walper]

I thought there was a size difference between the sphere seen in Endgame and in Voyager as a rule and the sphere seen in FC? Or was that just for that one sphere they got the transwarp coil or whatever from?

I lost my scaling images I had (I plan on making them again), but I'll provide the originals for your use:


As you can see above, the sphere relative to the cube is virtually 600 meters in diameter, based upon the cube's dimensions of 3036 meters per side.



The above sphere is from STVOY "Drone", where the sphere handily defeated Voyager in the tactical encounter. Based upon Voyager's dimensions, the sphere here is also virtually 600 meters in diameter (the sphere is directly over Voyager, which is perfect for scaling).

I know the images aren't too conclusive without actual scaling lines and such. I'll try rigging up some actual scaling later on, but this is the best I can do at this second.

[NecronLord]

Considering a functional Borg sphere can easily enough handle the firepower of a Federation fleet consisting of some thirty starships, I'd say that's a given.

What the fuck are you smoking? It was shot a few times by a few of those ships before Voyager destroyed it.

[Luzifer's right hand]

Considering a functional Borg sphere can easily enough handle the firepower of a Federation fleet consisting of some thirty starships, I'd say that's a given.

The Borg had already the the armor technology from the future at that time.

"I may have assimilated your pathogen..."
"...but I also assimilated your armor technology."
"Captain Janeway is about to die."

The defenses of the Endgame sphere with the new assimilated armor technology are most likely superior than the defenses of the First Contact sphere.

[Robert Walper]

Considering a functional Borg sphere can easily enough handle the firepower of a Federation fleet consisting of some thirty starships, I'd say that's a given.

What the fuck are you smoking? It was shot a few times by a few of those ships before Voyager destroyed it.

Riight...the sphere exits the Transwarp conduit and starts taking fire. After which we get to sit and listen to dialogue from the Voyager bridge crew, yapping about the destruction of the Hub system, they're right where they expected to be, basically yapping for a couple of minutes. But that whole time, that Federation fleet was just picking their noses, right?

[Robert Walper]

The defenses of the Endgame sphere with the new assimilated armor technology are most likely superior than the defenses of the First Contact sphere.

Feel free to point out the Voyager armor on the sphere in the screenshot provided...

That would be most amusing...I have the actual video clip, and there's no Voyager armor on that sphere.

[Sarevok]

1. When the Cochran ships launchs and they say approaching light speed theres a counter on the screen how fast does it say they are going and how fast are they accelerating.

Dunno. It is been a while since I watched FC.

2. Second why do you think the borg ship didn't just destory the whole camp with a torp. Considering one of our fighters now aday could blew up that entire camp by itself.

There are several possiblities. The sphere was an escape ship. It might have been only equipped very rudimentary weapons. Or maybe it's weapon systems were damaged during transit.

3. In several fight with the borg data holds his own yet in the movie in stead of grabing hold of some thing he calls out, like thats going to do any good, when they pull him under the door. We know he can react faster than that.
There was a couple of other questions we had but thats good to start.

Well Borg drones are quite strong.

[Chris OFarrell]

Ok did a search didn't see anything so if theres a thread please point me in the right direction.
I was talking with some friends about star trek FC and wee started dicussing a few things. I can't find my copy of the movie so here goes.

1. When the Cochran ships launchs and they say approaching light speed theres a counter on the screen how fast does it say they are going and how fast are they accelerating.

The numbers are just randomly scrolling really. Riker shouts 'Speed; Twenty Thousand Kilometers per second!' when we first see it then 'Approaching Lightspeed!' when they get near C. The sliders underneath though I belive talk about structual integrity.

2. Second why do you think the borg ship didn't just destory the whole camp with a torp. Considering one of our fighters now aday could blew up that entire camp by itself.

3. In several fight with the borg data holds his own yet in the movie in stead of grabing hold of some thing he calls out, like thats going to do any good, when they pull him under the door. We know he can react faster than that.
There was a couple of other questions we had but thats good to start.[/quote]

[The Silence and I]

?? Is that an error Chris? I have no idea if that last part of your post means anything