Which Starships are atmosphere-capable?

Warspite · Post by **Warspite** » 2004-09-09 09:40am

There's Voyager and the Bird-of-Prey, right? What other starships (in all Trek-verse) can go into atmospheres without special preparation?

(Excluding shuttles and yachts, of course.)

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-09-09 09:44am

Warspite wrote:There's Voyager and the Bird-of-Prey, right? What other starships (in all Trek-verse) can go into atmospheres without special preparation?

The Defiant.

The saucer section of a GCS.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-09-09 10:07am

i'm not sure i'd count the saucer section of a GCS. sure, it was designed for emergency atmospheric landings, but can it sustain atmospheric flight and escaping back into space?

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-09-09 10:14am

Darth_Zod wrote:i'm not sure i'd count the saucer section of a GCS. sure, it was designed for emergency atmospheric landings, but can it sustain atmospheric flight and escaping back into space?

Who cares? Reread the OP: he didn't say anything about sustained atmospheric flight, he said "can go into atmospheres without special preparation." The saucer section fits.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-09-09 10:18am

Stofsk wrote:
Darth_Zod wrote:i'm not sure i'd count the saucer section of a GCS. sure, it was designed for emergency atmospheric landings, but can it sustain atmospheric flight and escaping back into space?
Who cares? Reread the OP: he didn't say anything about sustained atmospheric flight, he said "can go into atmospheres without special preparation." The saucer section fits.

in that case wouldn't that automatically rule out the GCS? in order for it to be capable of atmospheric flight it needs to separate from the battle section, thus special preparation. it's not exactly a starship in and of itself after all.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-09-09 10:23am

Darth_Zod wrote:in that case wouldn't that automatically rule out the GCS? in order for it to be capable of atmospheric flight it needs to separate from the battle section, thus special preparation. it's not exactly a starship in and of itself after all.

Point.

Elheru Aran · Post by **Elheru Aran** » 2004-09-09 10:46am

How about the Peregrine fighter? It looks atmosphere-capable... why equip it with wings if not?

Interesting thought: what if the Romulan Warbird has that capability... imagine the smackdown one of those could deliver to Federation bases...

Warspite · Post by **Warspite** » 2004-09-09 04:52pm

I don't consider the saucer section of a GCS to be atmosphere capable in the sense that can routinely enter and leave like a normal craft. So that is ruled out.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-09-09 06:25pm

Just out of curiousity...when have we ever seen the Defiant land?

Luzifer's right hand · Post by **Luzifer's right hand** » 2004-09-09 06:53pm

Praxis wrote:Just out of curiousity...when have we ever seen the Defiant land?

We did never see the Defaint land afaik, however the ship entered the atmosphere of the Planet Gaia in the episode "Children of Time".

Fleet Admiral Blair · Post by **Fleet Admiral Blair** » 2004-09-09 07:09pm

I would think most ST (or feddie) vessels can at least function in an atmosphere. For a while anyway. Structural integrity on full power and then some. A Constitution did it.

The Constitutions saucer could also land.

In a very early TNG episode, didn't Geordi take the Stardrive into the atmosphere of a planet? To detect some cloaked attacker?

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-09 07:11pm

A Constitution's saucer couldn't separate, could it?

Fleet Admiral Blair · Post by **Fleet Admiral Blair** » 2004-09-09 07:13pm

It had explosive bolts to separate the two sections, but it would need a Starbase to reconnect

Luzifer's right hand · Post by **Luzifer's right hand** » 2004-09-09 07:16pm

Fleet Admiral Blair wrote:It had explosive bolts to separate the two sections, but it would need a Starbase to reconnect

What's your information source?

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-09-09 07:19pm

Luzifer's right hand wrote:
Fleet Admiral Blair wrote:It had explosive bolts to separate the two sections, but it would need a Starbase to reconnect
What's your information source

he's probably going by one of the non canon technical manuals. i recall reading the same thing, but since it isn't canon ya can't really take it at face value.

Fleet Admiral Blair · Post by **Fleet Admiral Blair** » 2004-09-09 07:20pm

Yeah, it was some old Ref Manual.

Post by **Kuja** » 2004-09-09 08:38pm

I remember a comic involving a Connie that was kicking ass after severing its saucer. Thing looked pretty cool, too.

Sadly, it's not canon.

Elheru Aran · Post by **Elheru Aran** » 2004-09-10 01:04am

IIRC, in one of the earlier Trek movies-- perhaps ST V-- Roddenberry planned for the Ent-A's saucer to separate from the engine section, and have a seriously kickass battle. However, because of budgetary considerations, he was unable to do that... the concept sketches and storyboards are still around, though-- I saw them in some book called "The Art of Star Trek" or something like that.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-09-10 01:49am

Elheru Aran wrote:IIRC, in one of the earlier Trek movies-- perhaps ST V-- Roddenberry planned for the Ent-A's saucer to separate from the engine section, and have a seriously kickass battle. However, because of budgetary considerations, he was unable to do that... the concept sketches and storyboards are still around, though-- I saw them in some book called "The Art of Star Trek" or something like that.

It was for the first film, actually.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-09-10 02:36am

Luzifer's right hand wrote:
Praxis wrote:Just out of curiousity...when have we ever seen the Defiant land?
We did never see the Defaint land afaik, however the ship entered the atmosphere of the Planet Gaia in the episode "Children of Time".

Do we really know that? Looking very closely at the pics, the "time bubble" extended beyond the atmosphere, since the pics showed the Defiant within the bubble but over the atmosphere.

We also know that when they DID enter the atmosphere in the future (or past?) that never took place (my head hurts too...), they would (or did?) crash (or crashed?) right away.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-09-10 03:17am

Luzifer's right hand wrote:
Praxis wrote:Just out of curiousity...when have we ever seen the Defiant land?
We did never see the Defaint land afaik, however the ship entered the atmosphere of the Planet Gaia in the episode "Children of Time".

Did not the Defiant enter a Jovian planet's atmosphere once ?

CJvR · Post by **CJvR** » 2004-09-10 08:36am

Prometheus.

I found a scan of the cross sections of Voyager and Prometheus and they both seem to have the same landing gear.

Luzifer's right hand · Post by **Luzifer's right hand** » 2004-09-10 08:57am

Praxis wrote: Do we really know that? Looking very closely at the pics, the "time bubble" extended beyond the atmosphere, since the pics showed the Defiant within the bubble but over the atmosphere.

We also know that when they DID enter the atmosphere in the future (or past?) that never took place (my head hurts too...), they would (or did?) crash (or crashed?) right away.

The time bubble just extended beyond the visible part of the atmosphere, the atmopshere of a planet is far bigger than the visible part. Warspite just asked for ships capable of entering an atmopshere without preparation, nothing else.

the atmosphere

And the Defaint crashed after they tried to leave the planet not when the entered the atmopshere.

Yedrin Dax:

Two days from now, when you leave
here and try to pass through the
energy barrier, you'll be thrown
back in time two hundred years.
You'll be stranded here... and
become the founders of this
settlement.
We're... your descendents.

IUnknown wrote: Did not the Defiant enter a Jovian planet's atmosphere once ?

The episode was Starship Down.

Kira:

They'd be smart not to.
That's a Class-J gas giant. I'm
reading wind speeds of over ten
thousand kilometers per hour.

later in the same episode

Sisko:

I know it's not what she was built
for, but I think the ship can
handle it.

Sisko said the ship is not built to enter the atmosphere of a gas giant with 10.000 kph winds.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-09-10 12:34pm

Good point. If it could withstand a gas giant's atmosphere for half an hour, it can withstand a class M atmosphere pretty easily

The gas giant DID give them some shielding problems (which means Star Trek shields still have problems with nebulas and gas giants), since the Jem Hadar blew apart the Defiant's bridge before even knocking down the Defiant's shields...

Bob the Gunslinger · Post by **Bob the Gunslinger** » 2004-09-10 01:08pm

Sisko took the Defiant into the atmosphere of a red giant? He must have got the idea from B5.

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