Borg fusion cubes

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-09-06 04:34am

Borg fusion cubes were seen in Armada and Starcrossed. Is there any other appearences of fusion cubes ? Are they canon ?

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-09-06 04:42am

IUnknown wrote:Borg fusion cubes were seen in Armada and Starcrossed. Is there any other appearences of fusion cubes ? Are they canon ?

They also appear in my crossover, Star Trek/Star Wars: The Best of Both Worlds. Alas, they are not canon since of course they never did appear, thus far, in any of the series or films (though, when one considers the performance of the cubes in Armada, I consider the Fusion cube the real example of a Borg cube taking on an entire fleet and living to tell about it.

18-Till-I-Die · Post by **18-Till-I-Die** » 2004-09-06 09:30am

What is a Fusion Cube? I presume a Cube powered by a fusion reactor, though i cant imagine why.

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2004-09-06 09:36am

No. Its a Borg ship made up of many smaller cubes. That is, 8 Cubes joint together perfectly to form one SUPER Cube.

18-Till-I-Die · Post by **18-Till-I-Die** » 2004-09-06 09:54am

Chris OFarrell wrote:No. Its a Borg ship made up of many smaller cubes. That is, 8 Cubes joint together perfectly to form one SUPER Cube.

What like Voltron?

Thats kinda' cool. It'd be enormous though, considering hwo big most Cubes are anyway. That really could take on a whole fleet in ST probably.

wautd · Post by **wautd** » 2004-09-06 10:01am

18-Till-I-Die wrote:
Chris OFarrell wrote:No. Its a Borg ship made up of many smaller cubes. That is, 8 Cubes joint together perfectly to form one SUPER Cube.
What like Voltron?

Thats kinda' cool. It'd be enormous though, considering hwo big most Cubes are anyway. That really could take on a whole fleet in ST probably.

http://www.strategyplanet.com/starmada/ ... fusioncube

Too bad i never played the game. I want to see this cube in combat. Looks awesome

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-09-06 11:39am

18-Till-I-Die wrote:What is a Fusion Cube? I presume a Cube powered by a fusion reactor, though i cant imagine why.

The Fusion cube is the most powerful Borg starship. It is made up of usualy 8 cubed fused togather at minimum, it can be larger though. The Starcrossed cube was made up of 1000 cubes.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-09-06 11:53am

I always enjoyed the Tactical Fusion Cubes, teh are nic3!!11 To bad though that they weren't ever shown in VOY (or something like them).

Though JME2 is right, they are pretty much what a Cube/Tac Cube should be. Even the size on the game is close to what a real cube should be.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-09-06 11:56am

IUnknown wrote:
18-Till-I-Die wrote:What is a Fusion Cube? I presume a Cube powered by a fusion reactor, though i cant imagine why.
The Fusion cube is the most powerful Borg starship. It is made up of usualy 8 cubed fused togather at minimum, it can be larger though. The Starcrossed cube was made up of 1000 cubes.

No, the fusion cube is not the most powerful Borg starship.
The TACTICAL fusion cube, made up of 8 TACTICAL cubes, is almost invincible. I've never lost one

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-09-06 12:14pm

Praxis wrote:
IUnknown wrote:
18-Till-I-Die wrote:What is a Fusion Cube? I presume a Cube powered by a fusion reactor, though i cant imagine why.
The Fusion cube is the most powerful Borg starship. It is made up of usualy 8 cubed fused togather at minimum, it can be larger though. The Starcrossed cube was made up of 1000 cubes.
No, the fusion cube is not the most powerful Borg starship.
The TACTICAL fusion cube, made up of 8 TACTICAL cubes, is almost invincible. I've never lost one

Right. The tactical cube in the game was so powerful that in the Armada patch the developers downgraded it.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-09-06 12:25pm

Praxis wrote:
IUnknown wrote:
18-Till-I-Die wrote:What is a Fusion Cube? I presume a Cube powered by a fusion reactor, though i cant imagine why.
The Fusion cube is the most powerful Borg starship. It is made up of usualy 8 cubed fused togather at minimum, it can be larger though. The Starcrossed cube was made up of 1000 cubes.
No, the fusion cube is not the most powerful Borg starship.
The TACTICAL fusion cube, made up of 8 TACTICAL cubes, is almost invincible. I've never lost one

You never lost one!? Wow, I had 4 Tact Fusion cubes attack a Federation base, they used the temporal thingy and froze them, then they blew one to heck.

Though once I downloaded the SW vs ST patch and the SW fleet command thing, Tact fusion cubes were dropping like flies thanks to my SSDs.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2004-09-06 12:44pm

Either one of the two different kinds of fusion cubes can tear through a base like tissue paper.

Even the starbases only last for a couple seconds against their firepower.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-09-06 12:49pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote:Either one of the two different kinds of fusion cubes can tear through a base like tissue paper.

Even the starbases only last for a couple seconds against their firepower.

Except for the Rift Maker at the end of the Borg missions, but only because they're moving slugglishly through fluidic space.

El Moose Monstero · Post by **El Moose Monstero** » 2004-09-06 01:03pm

Borg ships interlocking together to form various different formations were also seen in Shatner's 'The Return', where they formed spears and other weird shapes. No fusion cubes though.

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2004-09-06 05:09pm

Techno_Union wrote:Though once I downloaded the SW vs ST patch and the SW fleet command thing, Tact fusion cubes were dropping like flies thanks to my SSDs.

I created a mod for the original Star Trek Armada (which I still have), which heavily upgraded the Borg, along with some other stuff (ie: like the Defiant). Essentially, I upgraded things like the cube in both size and power until literately a Federation fleet (about 7-8 cap ships) would be needed to destroy it. I also made a significant effort to keep the game still balanced (a cube cost 5000 dilithium, 2500 crew (expandable to 5000), and you needed 50 nodes(this limited the number you could have at any one time)). Even a Borg sphere could take on a typical enemy cap ship. To put the balance in perspective, just to build a Borg probe required cap ship resources for other races (even though a probe would still be handily taken out one on one with an enemy cap ship).

Out of curiousity, I then downloaded the SW versus ST mod and combined them so it was my mod versus the SW one. The Borg cube's shield regeneration was simply too powerful, even the SSD fell before my modified cube.

Was one hell of a slugging match though.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2004-09-06 05:14pm

Speaking of all this, I remember posting on this forum WAY WAY back a space battle screensaver, where it would create models of ships you want, give them rudimentary game AI, and throw them at each other.

You could have hordes of Star Trek vessels of all kinds go up against a group of SSDs and ISDs, etc. Fun, fun.

Agent Fisher · Post by **Agent Fisher** » 2004-09-06 08:28pm

Shinova please repost that screen saver.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-09-06 08:36pm

Yes, that SSD rules, eh? The latest version of that mod has the Sovereign SSD, complete with superlaser. It rules.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-09-06 08:40pm

You know what's even better? Up the build time to max. *shiver*
With game speed AND build speed at max, you can build a SSD in about a minute, and an ISD in seconds. It's an INCREDIBLE fight, because the AI (I was fighting the New Republic) starts sending dozens, HUNDREDS of Viscounts (about as powerful as an SSD- less weapons, better shields), and you have to counter with your own SSD's and SSSD's. I ended the game with 17 assorted super star destroyers, and I consider it a narrow victory.

spideycw · Post by **spideycw** » 2004-09-06 11:15pm

I wish inderdictors weren't so hard to use though. Mine would always cut out at the worst time.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2004-09-06 11:30pm

Agent Fisher wrote:Shinova please repost that screen saver.

I'll have to fish it out of several months of threads from over at SB. It might take a while.

darthdavid · Post by **darthdavid** » 2004-09-06 11:55pm

Could someone post a link to the st vs sw armada II mod website? I used to have it and seem to have lost at and I'd like to go there and check some thing sout.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-09-07 02:01am

You never lost one!? Wow, I had 4 Tact Fusion cubes attack a Federation base, they used the temporal thingy and froze them, then they blew one to heck.

The fusion cube is very powerful but it is not invincible. Sending an unsupported cube against dozens of battleships is a surefire way ro lose it.

Against starbases use assimilation beams and holding beams, They have a longer range than Starbase weapons.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-07 02:18am

JME2 wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote:Either one of the two different kinds of fusion cubes can tear through a base like tissue paper.

Even the starbases only last for a couple seconds against their firepower.
Except for the Rift Maker at the end of the Borg missions, but only because they're moving slugglishly through fluidic space.

Christ, that is a gigantic sig!

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-09-07 02:32am

Rogue 9 wrote:
JME2 wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote:Either one of the two different kinds of fusion cubes can tear through a base like tissue paper.

Even the starbases only last for a couple seconds against their firepower.
Except for the Rift Maker at the end of the Borg missions, but only because they're moving slugglishly through fluidic space.
Christ, that is a gigantic sig!

If it's causing loading problems for anyone, I'll remove it; just say the word and it will be done.

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