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The rerun is. =P

It was better than I thought it would be.

Personally I believe Insurrection was better than Nemesis. It is the second worst trek movie. Unlike Nemesis this movie is actualy watchable as mindless time filler.

Hmm...That was the first time I saw that movie...Wasn't bad. I like picard's pulsed phaser rifle-type thing. And what the fuck did he do in that cave? Was that sparkly shit supposed to be him slowing down time like she did so she would live until crusher got to her? One thing I didn't like was the lack of spacey combat.

Can we not get another Star Trek 2? I mean with REAL fighting and tactics and so forth. None of this "Scooping up gas with the ram scoop" and then, what, Ent farts on the enemy ships and ignites the fart gas (YEah, I understand the tactic, but it was stupid.) Just once, I'd like to see a Star Trek space battle that doesn't reort to treknobabble. warp core acting like a magnet for a subspace tear? So, when they ejected the warp core, that should have been it, right? The tear would chase down the warp core. but they had to blow it up, huh? One more bitch about the movie (Which wasn't unenjoyable, mind you, I just found myself of two minds: One SDN mind and one "Shut-The-Fuck-Up-And-Enjoy-The-Movie-Mind" And I'm speaking my SDN mind right now. So ANYFUCKINGWAY, was it me or did the special effects look like shit in that movie? I mean, the ship looked...bad...the backgrounds in space looked....bad...I mean, with the exception of the enterprise, all the other ship movement looked jerky and...well....bad... The phaser fire looked cartoony, and I swear I saw that planetary ring on the viewscreen of the Son'a ship used as a screen saver on an Amiga back in 1988.

Can we not have a diplomatic Star Trek Movie? Give me a movie about some Feddie Marines storming a world full of insects. Give me a 2 hour mass space battle against incredible odds. A Borg invasion force of many cubes vs. The federation...SOMEthing.

Check out the abridged script.

One thing that bothers me about that horrible abortion of a movie, was the fact that the So'na were able to build warships that could dice with the feddies most powerfull battleship.

Where the hell did they get the infrastructure to do that?

Weren't there only a handfull of actuall So'na?

They had slaves. Lots of slaves.

I think the effects look so crummy because they were all cgi in an era before cgi was consistent. Also, it had a pretty small budget, right? Right?

Anyway, I always find myself on the side with the Admiral, so this movie really grits on my nerves. I liked Nemesis better because at least the shit got blowed up real good and smashed BAM together. With Insurrection, I'm too busy screaming at Picard to enjoy the "fight" scenes.

Also, is Picard hitting on a married woman in this movie? I would swear that Anij was married to the main baku guy. And he just stands there and watches Picard attempt to tap that ass?

Bob the Gunslinger wrote:I think the effects look so crummy because they were all cgi in an era before cgi was consistent. Also, it had a pretty small budget, right? Right?

Wrong. Taking the reshoots into account, it actually had the highest budget of a ST movie!

The funniest part had to be the Picard/Worf/Data karioke scene.

One of my best freinds in the whole wide world casually tells me over dinner that she thought Insurection was a far superior movie to what she felt was the worst of the Trek movies....The Wrath of Kahn.

Needless to say she almost had to apply the Heimlech manuever when the revelation coincided with my swallowing some dinner.

Stravo wrote:One of my best freinds in the whole wide world casually tells me over dinner that she thought Insurection was a far superior movie to what she felt was the worst of the Trek movies....The Wrath of Kahn.

Needless to say she almost had to apply the Heimlech manuever when the revelation coincided with my swallowing some dinner.

Pfft. Some friend. TWoK the worst? Bet she can't tell the difference between a dog and....like a...fuckin'...a.......crowbar.

Aya wrote:The funniest part had to be the Picard/Worf/Data karioke scene.

That was the high point of the movie.

"Sing, Worf, sing!"

*Worf shakes head*

Aya wrote:The funniest part had to be the Picard/Worf/Data karioke scene.

I hereby concur.

Hello, I'm Jean-Luc and I'll be your maitre'd tonight.

I think the effects look so crummy because they were all cgi in an era before cgi was consistent. Also, it had a pretty small budget, right? Right?

To tell the truth Bridgecommander running on a high end machine has better quality graphics than Insurrection space shots.

Stravo wrote:One of my best freinds in the whole wide world casually tells me over dinner that she thought Insurection was a far superior movie to what she felt was the worst of the Trek movies....The Wrath of Kahn.

Needless to say she almost had to apply the Heimlech manuever when the revelation coincided with my swallowing some dinner.

She must be from a parallel universe !

I think the best part was when things got so scary Riker had to use the EMERGENCY JOYSTICK!

The thing I didn't understand was why a 600 person village had to be moved in the first place. Like 600 people would make a difference to billions and billions of people. Why can't they live in co-existence? I'm sure the villagers wouldn't complain when the lives of billions of others were at stake. I thought that was a really weak plot. Now, if the entire planet was inhabited....the plot would have been much more interesting.

EDIT: Also, why would they even need to inhabit that one area of the planet? It just makes no freaking sense at all. They could settle all over the planet. And how in the hell did only 600 people achieve the level of technology as the Federation? They must have been killed off in some sort of huge disaster they've been hiding from everyone, perhaps leading them to reject technology for that very reason.

Of course, you just know some entrepreneur would start constructing high capacity apartment buildings all over the planet. Then the Ba'ku would probably have a fence built around their village and have it used as a tourist attraction.

"Come see the quaint technophobic villagers. See their primitive ways of maintaining life."

Bye bye quanit little virtually unpopulated planet, here comes one of the top tourist planets in the Alpha Quadrant.

IRG CommandoJoe wrote:The thing I didn't understand was why a 600 person village had to be moved in the first place. Like 600 people would make a difference to billions and billions of people. Why can't they live in co-existence? I'm sure the villagers wouldn't complain when the lives of billions of others were at stake. I thought that was a really weak plot. Now, if the entire planet was inhabited....the plot would have been much more interesting.

EDIT: Also, why would they even need to inhabit that one area of the planet? It just makes no freaking sense at all. They could settle all over the planet. And how in the hell did only 600 people achieve the level of technology as the Federation? They must have been killed off in some sort of huge disaster they've been hiding from everyone, perhaps leading them to reject technology for that very reason.

That is the very crux of the matter and why Insurrection's plot simply doesn't make sense. The Son'a could easily have settled any other part of the planet, never coming into contact with the Bak'u, and still have been receiving the beneficial radiations. Indeed, since the Enterprise crew began experiencing regenerative effects even from far orbital approach, it would have been quite feasible to put orbital stations up and the Son'a or Federationists would still receive the radiation treatment. There is, in point of fact, no valid or remotely logical reason for resettling the Bak'u at all.

As for the Bak'u, they could have been a failed colony group or persons who rejected technology and decided to set up their Napa Valley theme-park village to live in happy primitivism. Since the radiations apparently keep themselves and their crops free of disease, their only worry will come from the overpopulation problem which must eventually occur due to lack of any selection mechanism to thin the herd.

Unless, of course, there's a dark secret underlying that idyllic little paradise of theirs...

FOG3 wrote:Of course, you just know some entrepreneur would start constructing high capacity apartment buildings all over the planet. Then the Ba'ku would probably have a fence built around their village and have it used as a tourist attraction.

"Come see the quaint technophobic villagers. See their primitive ways of maintaining life."

Bye bye quanit little virtually unpopulated planet, here comes one of the top tourist planets in the Alpha Quadrant.

Well, since the Federation is communist, there wouldn't really be any entrepreneurs to put any such scheme into practise. But even if there were, it would not be at all unlikely that an exclusion zone of several hundred kilometres around the Bak'u village could be declared and tourists prohibited from intruding upon their lives while leaving the rest of the planet free for development. Orbital monitors or other type surveillance could be set up to continuously feed data into holochambers which tourists could visit; thereby enjoying the Bak'u Experience without actually barging in on them or being too unhandy for the shops.

IRG CommandoJoe wrote:The thing I didn't understand was why a 600 person village had to be moved in the first place. Like 600 people would make a difference to billions and billions of people. Why can't they live in co-existence?

It was said that to reverse the aging process sufficiently would take a decade, some of the Son'a didn't have that long.

And how in the hell did only 600 people achieve the level of technology as the Federation? They must have been killed off in some sort of huge disaster they've been hiding from everyone, perhaps leading them to reject technology for that very reason.

Maybe they had that technology all along? Anij did mention that they once traveled the stars.

CaptainChewbacca wrote:I think the best part was when things got so scary Riker had to use the EMERGENCY JOYSTICK!

Considering that most Star Trek combat takes place within visual range it would be sensible to have the manual control column (aka joystick) on other Federation starships and use it during combat rather than touchscreen buttons. As anyone who played Bridgecommander would tell you manual control is more effective during combat.

FOG3 wrote:Of course, you just know some entrepreneur would start constructing high capacity apartment buildings all over the planet. Then the Ba'ku would probably have a fence built around their village and have it used as a tourist attraction.

"Come see the quaint technophobic villagers. See their primitive ways of maintaining life."

Bye bye quanit little virtually unpopulated planet, here comes one of the top tourist planets in the Alpha Quadrant.

I can't wait until the village elders have to invent some sort of threat to keep the young ones from venturing outside the village.

"This color excites them. Let us bury it..."

We wanted to tell you what a wonderful time
we're having on our cruise, Capt. Steubing.

The Federation declares a 100-kilometer quarantine zone around the Ba'ku, so no one can ever go there.
Then they begin settling, starting from the other side of the planet.

Everyone is happy.