Stranded on the far side of the Galaxy

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-07-16 03:38am

The following ships have been transported to the Delta Quadrant :

1. Federation Galaxy class starship.

2. Romulan Warbird.

3. Klingon Vorcha class attack cruiser.

4. Cardassian Keldon.

5. Ferengi Maruders.

6. Dominion battleship.

Which ship (s) have the best chance of making it back home and why ?

Zor · Post by **Zor** » 2004-07-16 03:47am

Romulan Warbird, they can cloak and the Dominion Battleship, they have guns up the Yin Yang. If these are Early TNG Ferengi, they get an equil chance of getting home quickly.

The Galaxy Class's warp core goes BOOM two hours in the delta Quadrent, Cardassian ships are not all that impresive and the Klingons all die in a glorius fight worthy of a song.

wautd · Post by **wautd** » 2004-07-16 04:37am

Whats the autonomy of each shipclass?

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2004-07-16 03:11pm

Dominion battleship, since home is rather closer than for any other ship.

Patrick Ogaard · Post by **Patrick Ogaard** » 2004-07-16 03:15pm

Howedar wrote:Dominion battleship, since home is rather closer than for any other ship.

But only if there are enough skilled Vorta in the crew to fly the ship home without the Jem'hadar that should form the bulk of the crew. The Jem'hadar, after all, are going to have to be ordered into the airlock or into a suicide battle before the White runs out and the spiny goons go nuts.

Patrick Ogaard · Post by **Patrick Ogaard** » 2004-07-16 03:36pm

evilcat4000 wrote:The following ships have been transported to the Delta Quadrant :

1. Federation Galaxy class starship.

2. Romulan Warbird.

3. Klingon Vorcha class attack cruiser.

4. Cardassian Keldon.

5. Ferengi Maruders.

6. Dominion battleship.

Which ship (s) have the best chance of making it back home and why ?

The Romulan Warbird should have the best overall chance. Romulans may have similar lifespans to their Vulcan cousins, in which case spending a hundred years getting home will be a burden, but everyone might expect to actually be alive at the end of the voyage. The artificial singularity powering the ship should be able to run as long as mass can be funneled into it, so fuel should be a minor consideration. Of course, there's the bizarre lack of deuterium in the Delta Quadranta, which could be a problem.

The xenophobic, arrogant and ruthlessly pragmatic Romulans would certainly not bother with the local aboriginal populations and quaint local astronomical phenomena, instead preferring to run cloaked at high warp for as long as possible. At worst, they'd stop at the occasional trading post, or mug a merchant vessel for supplies, firsthand information and databases.

With its large size, cloak and heavy weapons load, the Romulan Warbird is the perfect choice for a ship to play pirate with. That way, supplies can be topped off underway without having to resort to trade and negotiation. One or two merchant ships waylaid every few hundred light years should be enough to keep the Warbird well supplied. Whatever can't be used is simply blasted apart, or tractored into a terminal orbit around a convenient star or gas giant, so there are no usable traces. The crews can be interrogated, and eliminated when their usefulness ends.

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2004-07-16 04:51pm

The Dominion ship is doomed from the start, they'll run out of Ketracel white and the Jemmies go berserk killing the Vorta and anything else in sight before they die. The Ferengi will probably start (or try to star) their own financial empire in the Delta Quadrant, rather then try to get home at all. The Klingons do well, untill they eventualy run in to someone they can't beat in a fight, then they all die gloriously in battle (and go to Stovo'kor, which might qualify as "reaching home").

This leaves us the GCS, the Keldon and the D'deridex. The Keldon has no advantages over the GCS or the D'deridex, making it the bronze medallist in this competition. The D'deridex can cloak and the Romulans have no qualms with underhandy tactics, giving them an advantage over the wussy Feddies. However the D'deridex is slower the GCS, somewhat of a drawback for the Rommies. I don't really know which will do better, but if I were a betting man I would put my money on the GCS, it should not do worse then Voyager.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2004-07-16 04:59pm

The Galaxy can only go faster at maximum speeds it cannot maintain. And the D'Deridex's singularity warp core should last a while.

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2004-07-16 05:03pm

The D'deridex is slower than a Galaxy in a sprint.
We have no idea what their relative maintainable Warp speeds are.
Excluding one of the participants having a MAJOR FTL endurance advantage over the others (which should have manifested itself in the Alpha Quadrant power balance), I don't think top Warp speeds come into play.
I'm with Patrick on this one: The D'deridex takes it, because its crew is Romulan. They'll have no qualms doing whatever is neccessary to get home, and her crew can reasonably expect to be alive for it to boot.

Prozac the Robert · Post by **Prozac the Robert** » 2004-07-16 06:03pm

Does the dominion ship include a founder? If so might they be able to do something about the ketracel problem?

RevWaldo · Post by **RevWaldo** » 2004-07-16 06:45pm

Where in the Delta Quadrant?

Middle of Borg Space.
Same place as Voyager?
Farthest possible spot from the Sol System?

Bob the Gunslinger · Post by **Bob the Gunslinger** » 2004-07-16 07:22pm

Batman wrote:The D'deridex is slower than a Galaxy in a sprint.
We have no idea what their relative maintainable Warp speeds are.
Excluding one of the participants having a MAJOR FTL endurance advantage over the others (which should have manifested itself in the Alpha Quadrant power balance), I don't think top Warp speeds come into play.
I'm with Patrick on this one: The D'deridex takes it, because its crew is Romulan. They'll have no qualms doing whatever is neccessary to get home, and her crew can reasonably expect to be alive for it to boot.

Ah, but the GCS is crewed by Starfleet Engineers, among others.

If they don't invent some Deus ex Machina solution in the first six years, you can bet that some time-travelling descendant of theirs will save them in the seventh.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2004-07-17 12:23am

Zor wrote:The Galaxy Class's warp core goes BOOM two hours in the delta Quadrent

You know, this stopped being funny a long time ago, and I think it should be covered in the "lol Feds R dum lol" moratorium.

Lancer · Post by **Lancer** » 2004-07-17 03:46pm

I'd just like to know, which Galaxy are we talking about? The War-Galaxy refit or original Galaxy?

Oh, and for the warbird, classic D'Deridex or Valdore/Norrexian?

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2004-07-17 08:15pm

I have said this before

A Romulan Warbird would be an incredible asset in the DQ.

Also remember, the Romulan warbird, if it was in the place of Voyager, would not have turned it's back on anything or destroyed it (i.,e the Caretaker's Array).

The Romulans are also rutheless.

Remember the Vidians, all those people they took for organ harvesting?
I can see a Romulan commander having gotten his crew back takin those people as slaves after killing the Vidians

They'd have traded the Voth scientist (if they had run into him) the location of Earth for Transwarp drive.

Without the prime directive, imagine the money they could make selling 40 year old cloaking device specs in the DQ on the way home...

Romulans win

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-07-17 10:14pm

evilcat4000 wrote:The following ships have been transported to the Delta Quadrant :

Are we to assume act of Q, or the VOY retarded premise of stupid Caretaker machine?

1. Federation Galaxy class starship.

Act of Q: The GCS, either the War model or the Generation 1 model, has a good chance. The former has the power to keep all the puny DQ races at bay, while it has the same advantages over the Intrepid (similar speed), but more power and more cargo storage. The latter may not have the same power, but it's custom designed for long-range exploration and generation travel (TNG should have had the kids in it be midshipmen, like Patrick Degan once suggested - that would have made infinite better sense).

VOY: Unlike Janeshit, a REAL Federation captain would have told the Kazon to stick it. Coupled with the GCS's battle capabilities, say goodnight to those walking bad-hair-days. The Caretaker is claimed by the Federation as custodians, keeping the Ocampa secured for as long as needed. More importantly, the Federation has a foothold into the DQ.

2. Romulan Warbird.

Act of Q: The Warbird is linked close to the GCS, but it has one better advantage: the cloak. Don't want a fight? Cloak. Romulans are passionate, but not stupid. When outmatched they withdraw. WHen they fight, they fight like chess masters (witness whenever Picard put the E-D into the neutral zone, more often than not he was outmaneuvered with a 2-1 ratio; first by Tomalok in "The Defector" and then by that other bloke in "Data's Day".

VOY: The Romulans rape the Kazon and their pitiful shitheaps. The Caretaker array is claimed for the RSE, and the Ocampa are made a protectorate species under the Romulan flag.

3. Klingon Vorcha class attack cruiser.

Act of Q: The Vorcha has cloak, warp, but their captains are perhaps too eager for a fight. I think eventually they'll piss off the wrong people and die in some glorious battle.

VOY: The Klingons kill the Kazon. Then either figure out how to send themselves back or claim the array. I wouldn't put it past Klingon intelligence to push the wrong button.

4. Cardassian Keldon.

Act of Q: Who cares?

VOY: Ditto.

5. Ferengi Maruders.

Act of Q: Doesn't matter, these guys will say "Fuck the AQ, we have the biggest ship in a thousand parsecs in any direction, we can be kings" They don't bother going home and set up shop.

VOY: Same deal as above. Hello Ocampa, would you like AM/M reactors to cure your power problems? Hello Kazon, would you like lots and lots of water? It's gonna cost ya. Don't bother attacking us: we're a lot bigger than you.

6. Dominion battleship.

Act of Q: Unless these ships have some way to produce Ketra Cell White then they suffer the most. Assuming they DO have a way, or intuit a working solution, nothing can touch them and they make it home the quickest.

VOY: Same deal as above, the Array is claimed for the Dominion. Kazon ships get buttspanked something horrible.

Which ship (s) have the best chance of making it back home and why ?

Practically all of them. Why? Because VOY was a pissy weak little ship which didn't have near the fighting or endurance potential as any of the other big ships.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-07-18 01:07am

Are we to assume act of Q, or the VOY retarded premise of stupid Caretaker machine?

Act of Q.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-07-18 01:17am

1. Federation Galaxy class starship

The Galaxy class starship has good firepower and heavy shielding. It would do better than Voyeger.

2. Romulan Warbird

The Romulan Warbird has very powerful weapons. It could easily defeat most Dela Quadrant ships with ease. The cloaking device would give it an stealthy advantage. And the quantum singularity based power source means anti-matter is not going to be an issue.

3. Klingon Vorcha class attack cruiser

The Vorcha is a good solid ship with a cloaking device. However the Klingon tendency to get fights with everyone could be their undoing.

4. Cardassian Keldon

The Keldon is a good medsized warships. It would do well against the Kazon and weaker Delta Quadrant species. However in the long run it is not going to do well due to weak weapons and shielding.

5. Ferengi Maruders

In the episodes "False Profits" we actualy see Ferengi in the Delta Quadrant. The Mauruder crew is probobly going to do the same - conquer a primitive planet and live like kings.

6. Dominion battleship

According to "The Valiant" the Dominion battleship is 3 times stronger than the Galaxy. It would smash anything that comes it's way. Furthermore since Delta Quadrant races dont have knowledge of poloron beams the battleships weapons will penetetrate their shields making it even more deadly. However in the long term the battleship is doomed once the Ketracel White runs out.

MrAnderson · Post by **MrAnderson** » 2004-07-18 05:22pm

One thought comes to mind. The biggest advantage for the Romulan and Klingon ship is the cloaking device.

How fragile is the cloak? I know Klingon ships have a very limited ability to repair themself. One example was the Klingon ship Riker was on. It had some bug that was eating its hull plating that it could do nothing at all about. On the other hand the Enterprise not only fixed the problem on itself in a matter of moments it was also able to fix the problem on the Klingon ship in about the same amount of time.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-07-19 01:55am

The cloaking device was seen in a TOS episode. It is pretty small - the size of a 17 inch computer monitor.

BornIn1142 · Post by **BornIn1142** » 2004-07-19 08:27am

However, we can assume that cloaking devices have advanced over the last century.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2004-07-19 12:24pm

Zor wrote:Romulan Warbird, they can cloak and the Dominion Battleship, they have guns up the Yin Yang. If these are Early TNG Ferengi, they get an equil chance of getting home quickly.

The Galaxy Class's warp core goes BOOM two hours in the delta Quadrent, Cardassian ships are not all that impresive and the Klingons all die in a glorius fight worthy of a song.

Actually, it doesn't. If Voyager can make it through so could a GCS.

Stop trolling...

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2004-07-19 04:02pm

Zor wrote:The Galaxy Class's warp core goes BOOM two hours in the delta Quadrent, Cardassian ships are not all that impresive and the Klingons all die in a glorius fight worthy of a song.

Don't do that again.

Fleet Admiral Blair · Post by **Fleet Admiral Blair** » 2004-07-20 12:11am

The Romulans, Klingons, Dominion, and Cardassians are not as ethic bound as the Federation. They would go tearing through the DQ until they were destroyed or got home.

What's left of the Kazon will have taken the Caretaker array and enslaved the Ocampa.
Vidiian ships would be destroyed on sight.
Gagen would have never found human remains on Hanon IV so the Voth would've never come into play.

The only thing the Romulans, Klingons, Dominion, and Cardassians have to worry about (other than supplies or feul) is the Krenim Timeship and the Borg. And Species 8472 when the Borg are defeated

If Voyager can do it, a GCS can do it better and the Ferangi will likely do they same thing the pair of them did in "False Profits."

Unless you mean they were all transported together...

Mlenk · Post by **Mlenk** » 2004-07-23 12:23am

Howedar wrote:Dominion battleship, since home is rather closer than for any other ship.

Just how much closer is the GQ to the DQ than the AQ?

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