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So I was on the new Star Trek Experience ride in Vegas a week ago and I noticed that there is some fascinating post-Nemesis details to be found in there. I am curious, do these rides have any canon status? They are officially produced by Paramount, so it seems that they should be canon, or at least quasi-canon.

Here are some of the observations I made from the new Borg ride (seperate from the Klingon Encounter that many people might have taken). Note that I will keep spoilers to a minimum...

1) The Federation has aparently finally perfected transwarp drive. The station where the Borg ride takes place is on the border of the Alpha/Delta Quadrants and the fact that Janeway and Voyager show up (presumably from Earth) shows that warp speeds must have been drastically improved.

2) The Borg are still alive post-Endgame.

3) The Borg aparently now posses airborne based Nanites for assimilation purposes.

4) The special effects on the ride are superior to anything I've seen from the Star Trek movies.

Bear in mind that I wasn't paying that close attention so I'm sure there were a few bits which passed me by. So do we integrate this stuff into canon or not?

I'd be tempted to put it into quasi-canon status.

It's entirely possible it was meant as a Voyager movie post-Nemesis that was scrapped into a ride for all we know
*shutters at the idea of a Voyager movie*

However, Paramount has said only the live action shows and movies count (with the exception of 2 of the novels).

Man, this is a bit of a stracher, cause it is live action.

Also, being post-Nemesis, it doesn't contradict anything that is canon. This is really a question to try to direct torwards somebody at paramount.

When did they add the Borg thing to the Star Trek experience? I had ridden the ride they already had and liked it, so what about this one?

Last time I stayed at the Vegas Hilton, that Borg Experience attraction was just about to open. I have seen it advertised there for a while but I haven't been on it yet. I'll have to get back to Vegas in the next couple months.

The whole Star Trek Experience is pretty damn cool. I love Quark's bar and that restaraunt kicks ass too. If anyone goes in there any time soon, order the pizza. It's awesome.

It's not canon. It's not even official or "quasi-canon," because Paramount doesn't have anything besides canon level.

Besides, some of that information could have just been invented for the sake of the ride itself.

Paramount only consideres the following materials Star Trek Canon:

1. The live action television series and theatrical films.
2. The backstory to one episode of the animated television series ("Yesteryear.")
3. Parts of two Star Trek novels, which I don't remember the names of but I think were by Jeri Taylor or something.

Everything else is officially regarded as "speculation" (AKA, apocryphal).

I know there are some nitpickings involving Roddenberry, but I'm not going to personally get involved in debating such issues.

Wait, did you say "Alpha/Delta Quadrant border"? That's not possible. The Alpha and Delta Quadrants on on opposite sides of the galaxy, so they can't in any way touch each other...

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Wait, did you say "Alpha/Delta Quadrant border"? That's not possible. The Alpha and Delta Quadrants on on opposite sides of the galaxy, so they can't in any way touch each other...

Yes, they do, a the centre of the galaxy.

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I3. Parts of two Star Trek novels, which I don't remember the names of but I think were by Jeri Taylor or something.

They are Mosaic and Pathways.

Crazedwraith wrote:

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Wait, did you say "Alpha/Delta Quadrant border"? That's not possible. The Alpha and Delta Quadrants on on opposite sides of the galaxy, so they can't in any way touch each other...

Yes, they do, a the centre of the galaxy.

I was going to mention that, but didn't because of the fact that it's the damn centre of the galaxy and would be just as rediculous.

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:

Crazedwraith wrote:

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Wait, did you say "Alpha/Delta Quadrant border"? That's not possible. The Alpha and Delta Quadrants on on opposite sides of the galaxy, so they can't in any way touch each other...

Yes, they do, a the centre of the galaxy.

I was going to mention that, but didn't because of the fact that it's the damn centre of the galaxy and would be just as rediculous.

When has that ever stopped ST before?

Crazedwraith wrote:

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:

Crazedwraith wrote: Yes, they do, a the centre of the galaxy.

I was going to mention that, but didn't because of the fact that it's the damn centre of the galaxy and would be just as rediculous.

When has that ever stopped ST before?

Don't spam.

As to the original post: no, Paramount doesn't have a "quasi-canon" status. The best the non-canon material can do is give you some insight into what the creators were thinking when they made decisons regarding the canon (such as the TM giving you an idea of how TNG's technical advisors imagined the E-D's internal workings).

There's another interpretation of canon for Trek, but that's even more restrictive: if you believe that only the creator, and not the copyright holder, can determine what's "true" in a fictional universe, than only the material Gene Roddenberry personally approved is canon. That would throw out late season TNG, all the TNG movies, and all of DS9, VOY, and ENT. Also, it might make the TMP novel canon, which would throw all of TOS into question (in the introduction, Roddenberry, writing in Kirk's voice, calls TOS "an exaggeration").

The Kernel wrote:3) The Borg aparently now posses airborne based Nanites for assimilation purposes.

Not new. The borg queen says they have them in Dark Frontier, and demands that Seven calibrate them for humans.

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:

Crazedwraith wrote:

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Wait, did you say "Alpha/Delta Quadrant border"? That's not possible. The Alpha and Delta Quadrants on on opposite sides of the galaxy, so they can't in any way touch each other...

Yes, they do, a the centre of the galaxy.

I was going to mention that, but didn't because of the fact that it's the damn centre of the galaxy and would be just as rediculous.

Maybe it took place in a region that would appear to be the centre of the galaxy when viewed from directly above, but was actually a substantial distance above or below it. The galaxy is 3-dimensional, after all, even if it's substantially longer and wider than it is tall.

That in no way whatsoever makes for any kind of possible explenation for there being an "Alpha/Delta Quadrant" border.

That in no way whatsoever makes for any kind of possible explenation for there being an "Alpha/Delta Quadrant" border.

Which makes the fact that Voyager encounted the Borg's home space in the Delta Quadrant even more rediculous. Not to mention the ONLY two Ferengi and a pick up truck.

Superman wrote:

That in no way whatsoever makes for any kind of possible explenation for there being an "Alpha/Delta Quadrant" border.

Which makes the fact that Voyager encounted the Borg's home space in the Delta Quadrant even more rediculous. Not to mention the ONLY two Ferengi and a pick up truck.

Wrong.

The Delta Quadrant is the home of the Borg's native territory.

The two Ferengi were from a TNG episode where they disappeared into a wormhole.

If the pick-up truck was from the episode "The 37s," then it was among a group of people abducted by aliens on Earth and taken to the Delta Quadrant.

Next time know the context of something before you cite it. You should know better, honestly...

Umm... The Delta Quadrant is pretty damn big, and to have all those things just so happen to lie on Voyager's path is still a pretty damn big coincidence.

Also, it might make the TMP novel canon, which would throw all of TOS into question (in the introduction, Roddenberry, writing in Kirk's voice, calls TOS "an exaggeration").

Not necessarily. I remember from Publius's abandonded project that that particular quote is such that it might refer to an in-universe equivalent of a TV rather than to the TOS we know.

The Delta Quadrant is the home of the Borg's native territory.

The two Ferengi were from a TNG episode where they disappeared into a wormhole.

If the pick-up truck was from the episode "The 37s," then it was among a group of people abducted by aliens on Earth and taken to the Delta Quadrant.

Next time know the context of something before you cite it. You should know better, honestly...

Spanky, do you know how large 1/4 of the entire galaxy actually is? And one TINY ship encounteres the ONLY two Ferengi, the ONLY pick up truck, and even the Borg home space. I can maybe forgive finding Borg space but the others? The universe is fucking three dimenstional! For fuck's sake, Voyager is literally a needle in a galactic haystack and they seemed to have encountered EVERY fucking thing from the alpha quadrant there.

I am well aware of that TNG Ferengi episode. It still has nothing to do with the fact that Voyager encountered them. Again, they're in one tiny spot in 1/4 of the fucking galaxy. If anyone should know better, it's you... honestly...

Umm... The Delta Quadrant is pretty damn big, and to have all those things just so happen to lie on Voyager's path is still a pretty damn big coincidence.

Bingo. Jesus H Christ, the delta quadrant is not a flat two dimensional map. It's much bigger than Voyager seems to think...

Superman wrote:

Umm... The Delta Quadrant is pretty damn big, and to have all those things just so happen to lie on Voyager's path is still a pretty damn big coincidence.

Bingo. Jesus H Christ, the delta quadrant is not a flat two dimensional map. It's much bigger than Voyager seems to think...

Than what Voyager seems to think or rather what B/B think?

Here is the IMDB section for it http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0356069/

Drooling Iguana wrote:Maybe it took place in a region that would appear to be the centre of the galaxy when viewed from directly above, but was actually a substantial distance above or below it. The galaxy is 3-dimensional, after all, even if it's substantially longer and wider than it is tall.

Meaningless. The entire Federation is light-years away from the Delta-Alpha border, which only runs 'up' and 'down' through the center of the galaxy. In fact, if the Federation were to send ships above or below the galactic center, they would be travelling FARTHER than if just making a beeline for the closest point.

Kuja wrote:

Drooling Iguana wrote:Maybe it took place in a region that would appear to be the centre of the galaxy when viewed from directly above, but was actually a substantial distance above or below it. The galaxy is 3-dimensional, after all, even if it's substantially longer and wider than it is tall.

Meaningless. The entire Federation is light-years away from the Delta-Alpha border, which only runs 'up' and 'down' through the center of the galaxy. In fact, if the Federation were to send ships above or below the galactic center, they would be travelling FARTHER than if just making a beeline for the closest point.

I thought that we were already taking it as assumed that the Feds had somehow found some new, incredibly fast propulsion system and that Spanky had called it rediculous due to some other property of the centre of the galaxy (possibly the supermassive black hole that I've heard resides there.)

We can assume all we want, but even conceeding that, it's still a stupid idea because the Alpha-Delta border isn't simply that, but the Alpha-Beta-Gamma-Delta border. It's the same as trying to call the Four Corners the Arizona-Colorado border.